Dieu nous bénisse,les missionnaires faisaient du bon travail,mais il sont de moins en moins,et pas beaucoup apprécié,car l'argent leurs manque et personnes ne le leur envoie, si l'état du vatican mais il est diretement intercepté par le gouvernement autochtone,pourtant combien d'organisaton garitative demand ela chariité , et personne n'y répond , alors que voulez-vous, nous avons une bonne opportunité de faire cette charité et d'aider à porter La Bonne Parole , et même cela nous ne … [More]

En même temps, ce sont des nègres, donc...ce n'est peut-être pas irrespectueux pour eux.

Like Cardinal Arinze said: Dance in the Western World is to be utterly stricken from liturgical practice in the West because 'the dance' does not mean anything but pleasure (e.g. clubbing, raving culture = recreation). HOwever, in the East there are "many forms" of dance which must be stricken from the Liturgy BUT there are some forms of the dance which has profound meaning for the cultures of the East.

Therefore, it is NOT our place, as Western Europeans, to judge the merits of a religious … [More]

C'est la messe, ça ?

C'est du super-modernisme, oui.

As a new convert to the Catholic faith, let me tell you all that I have resolved to only read material dated before Vatican II. I have done a little research now about how it has come about that Communism and Masonry and Zionism have joined to seduce the last generation's top theologians. Hell is waiting eagerly for another Pontiff to fall into flames.

Then David, girt with a linen apron, came dancing before the LORD with abandon,
as he and all the Israelites were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouts of joy and to the sound of the horn. As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Saul's daughter Michal looked down through the window and saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, and she despised him in her heart. (2 Samuel 6:14-16)

Bless the Fiji Islanders for being like David, pray for those here like Michal

Just another doubtful mass with pagan trappings.

*Puke*

This is disgusting!

This was beautiful. What a great example of how a measured amount of enculturation CAN be magnificent. I did not find it to be entertainment at all, but very reverent and moving.

Für Menschen, die nicht in diesem Kulturkreis leben ist diese Form des Gottesdienstes zugegebenermaßen zuerst etwas fremd.

Aber auf den zweiten Blick wirkt das (auf mich jedenfalls) sehr erhaben, feierlich und ansprechen.

Entertainment has no place in the Holy Mass. We've seen hindu dancers, gypsy dancers and now this. What next? The Mass is the Mass and should be celebrated with the utmost respect and reverence; and all minds should be on Christ and He Whom we are so blessed to be receiving. Entertainment or the likes of such conduct only removes one's contemplation and meditation on Christ.

zunächst einmal: es gibt keinen wechsel im gesichtsausdruck des heiligen vaters während der evangelienprozession - er sieht gesammelt und konzentriert aus und wird - wie es jeder tun sollte - innerlich beten, um sich auf das hören des evangeliums vorzubereiten.
als jemand, der recht nah bei der altarinsel mitfeiern durfte, kann ich bezeugen, dass die art der evangeliumsprozession sehr würdig war und die menschen angesprochen hat - auch wenn es für manche gewöhnungsbedürftig war.
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What a horror......May God help his Holy Church to return to the rectitude and transcedence of the ages......They are debasing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass into the depths of mere culturalism and entertainment. The Mass is the Holy Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, and should be enshrined in a liturgy both otherworldly and sacred, instead of burying it in the midst of half naked dancers whose sensual gyrations fill anyone with a sense of modesty with disgust and horror.

This would be the sort of thing with which EWTN would have no problem.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, by the way, has nothing to do with inculturation. But such is the sad state of Catholic thinking today.

Zat is quite correct. The entire WYD phenomenon is conceived in notions foreign to the Catholic church. It is a very unfortunate and harmful enterprise.

Our Lady of Sorrows, please pray for us.

Dismas

jmj,needs to remember that in some cultures dancing, and signing are part of the faith....perhaps you would be better to read about the cultural customs of our brothers and sisters before you write such narrow minded things! Br. John Bartholomew.

that song makes me want to go out and hunt some wild game.

With destractions such as these we forget the real reason for the Mass!

To me the Pope looked like he was in pain to have to continue to watch this. He looked relieved when the New Testiment was handed over to the Deacon/Priest.

The Mass is NOT the place to dance and sing at. It is supposed to be a solumn worship of God. By allowing this to continue to happen what does it show the youth? That the Mass is nothing but entertainment to watch. No Mass is the place for something like this to … [More]

This was not a self-reflective performance any more than singing the Ave Maria as an entrance hymn would be. And the dancers never entered the area around the Altar of Sacrifice. Come on! It was a reflection of the glory of God in His peoples as it is with all holy art and music. It may not be your cup of tea, but I found it to be one of the most beautiful and tasteful things I have ever witnessed during a Holy Mass. I found it most uplifting and inspiring and by the look on Holy Father's face … [More]

I think it is fine and appropriate. Catholicism is broad enough to include many cultures.

Awful stuff!

Patte, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not a cultural show or any kind of show for that matter. It is an action that takes place in and outside time and space. It is meant to lift us up to Heaven, not to show us a reflection of ourselves in a mirror. Was the Church wrong or narrow in not giving us "inculturated masses" for 2000 years? This does nothing to prepare our minds and hearts to encounter Our Lord Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. I'm sure the Pope did not enjoy this at all. I just wish … [More]

No one is more orthodox a Catholic than myself. I can barely tolerate even the most reverent of Novus Ordo Masses, but I must say, this was a most beautiful gift of the native people whom God created. It is NOT Pagan when it is used to give glory to God in the holy sacrifice of the Mass. It was stunning! Had it been performed inside a church I would not have approved of it at all. But as it was, it was outside, not within consecrated confines. I cannot think of a more magnificent gift to all of … [More]

...it was realized in the 21. centuatry, that christ and his church could be ALIVE without vatikan...

Aborigine pagan dance at Holy Mass. What crap!

...stellte man im 21. Jh. fest, dass Christus und die Kirche auch ohne den Vatikan LEBENDIG sein konnten...

Poor Holy Father! He looks like he has an upset stomach!

Liebe Frau Hemma,
Einestheils werden Äpfel in dünne Scheiben, geschnitten und mit Zucker und Kaneel/Zimt vermengt, anderntheils reibt man Weissbrod und feuchtet es mit geschmolzener Butter an. Dann legt man in die bereitete Form unten eine Lage Brod, dann eine Lage Äpfel wechselnd bis zuletzt Brod folgt. Oben auf diese letzte Lage Brod werden kleine Klösse von Butter gesetzt. Am Rande muss die Masse gut fest niedergedrückt werden. Statt der Äpfel kann man auch andere Früchte, z.B. … [More]

Lieber Herr Cantate,
Sie kennen mich nicht und sagen hier Sachen, wo Sie nichts von wissen. Man ist hier sehr anonym und so will ich es auch bleiben. Nur: ich bin aus der Ukraine, griechisch-katholisch getauft - mein Urgroßvater war Jude. Meine Familiensprache war wholynisch. Und Papst Johannes Paul hat uns sehr viel geholfen. Wenn Sie sagen, Lateinerisch ist falsch und Lateinisch richtig, so soll es genügen. So ich bin nu für eine Zeit diese Woche bei meine Mutti in München und nicht mehr … [More]

@ Hemma

"Und wenn jetzt also nur zum Beispiel eine Uigure oder eine Kasache das Halleljua singen täte oder eine Ukrainer einen wolhynischen Vaterunser, dann ist das alles unpassend und verboten, weil Christen singen nur Lateinerisch oder bestimmt noch nur Deutsch."

O.K., jetzt isses wohl klar, dass Sie ein provozierender Fake sind! Wenn Sie wirklich so unwissend sind, wie Sie sich hier dauernd geben, und so machen, als wüssten Sie nicht, dass es "Lateinisch" und nicht "Lateinerisch" heißt, … [More]