Well Holy Cannoli

I don't know exactly what anti-American Chap you mean
but I can ensure you I love all American.
Oh, and ... all Brits as well.

Since I made a recommendation for the lesbian poster to seek out websites in which she would feel more comfortable, I have a similar recommendation for a certain anti-American "chap" who also appears on this thread.

http://www.transgenderzone.com/

@JTLuizza - Indeed. The Church consists of human beings trying to be holy. I think Muuno deifies the clergy, i.e. if a priest or Pope could teach error in the past, then what is to stop them today, and therefore could the teaching on homosexuality be erroneous? I think herein lies her problem, hence my advice to seek spiritual direction and to journey through her crisis in the privacy of prayer and study in this context.

Let us pray for her so that she might come to terms with the Church's … [Altro]

@JTLiuzza

"First off, I gotta tell you I'm a communist. ;p

Second, no one holds monopoly as to what the Word of God truly is about. No one. Centuries of history have revealed to us that the Church has made mistakes. Popes have made mistakes. And big ones, too."?

Even heathens should be granted the benefit of hindsight. Given the evidence of the twentieth century it's stupid at best to be a communist.

The Catholic Church holds a "monopoly" by virtue of Her Founder. The Church is the pillar … [Altro]

@Philosopher - A most excellent presentation mate! Thanks.
@Muuno - I know that on Gloria.tv there are the chaps who love a 'witch-hunt' and love to carry torches of hate - two of whom are most present on this thread.

HOWEVER, try and plough through the writings of Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross. Like all the Saints before and after them, they speak of the intelect governing the emotions and so ruling ones actions. I get the distinct impression from your posts that you are thinking … [Altro]

@ Philosopher

Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

@Muuno- The natural law argument for healthy and good human sexuality as existing within the bonds of marriage between one man and one woman- has never been refuted, because it can no more be refuted than 3 is the square root of 9 or the logical law of non-contradiction can be refuted. The truth of the Natural Law, that the Magisterium has handed on from Christ, whom is Truth itself, is true, not because they are socially constructed, but because they are transcendent to the social, cultural … [Altro]

Muuno,
I have really only come to this particular discussion very late in the piece. Please allow me, however, to add my twuppence-worth. I am sorry to pick up the dejected tone in your posting and I'm sorry if you feel that those who disagree with you are coming from prejudice rather than love. But at times what is required is tough love. The Church as a good Mother must set boundaries for its children otherwise passions, bad company, experimentation, rebellion, drugs and alcohol can lead … [Altro]

@well... apparently all of the people in here.

I'm tired of fighting all the battles. I could dispute your claims, but it's rarely worth it, so in just a few words, I disagree. If you choose prejudice over love, if you're willing to justify all such statements in the authority of the Church, if you will automatically discredit what people have to say simply because it does not echo your own beliefs - it is not okay. But there is nothing I can do about it. So I'll leave you alone.

"In direct opposition to both the mainstream gay movement and Lady Gaga, I would like to state for the record that I was not born this way."- Wow, out of the mouth of Babes.

Sorry if this grosses anyone out, but:

Acts of a sexual nature are always a choice. Even, the Man to Man sex-advocate Gore Vidal, said that. Desire is not a choice.
But, desires are not always pure, nor are they by necessity natural, or have to be acted upon by necessity.

The Church and Her Magesterial teachings are … [Altro]

@ Leone & Holyrope

I just thought I'd add this, though. I'm sorry if I've offended you through any of this. It was not my intention. See, that's one of the reasons this type of discrimination makes me angry - it makes people fling hurtful words at one another.

B.S. If it truly was your intention not to offend, you wouldn't be posting sodomite cr*p from sodomite websites on a Catholic/Christian message board. But “to offend” is exactly your intention and that's why you are here in the first place.

Incidentally, … [Altro]

@Holy Cannoli

(6 - and last.)

I just thought I'd add this, though. I'm sorry if I've offended you through any of this. It was not my intention. See, that's one of the reasons this type of discrimination makes me angry - it makes people fling hurtful words at one another.

@Holy Cannoli

(5)

“Nobody has condemned anybodyexcept for you condemning straights who care about basic survival essentials such as their car, house, money etc. etc."

Well – “nobody has condemned anybody” – I wouldn’t exactly say that. Historically, many people and institutions have discriminated against homosexuals. But you and I already know this.

I guess I wasn’t clear enough, in my critique of the middle class. I want to clarify that I mean no harm against people who “care about … [Altro]

@Holy Cannoli

(4)
"...some theologians do argue that Christ approved the union of two homosexual men, among other gay-affirming things.Put up or shut up. Site chapter and verse that proves Christ approved of homosexual unions."

Matthew 19:10-12

http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

I’ll explain that, too, if you really want me to. Just message me and I’ll do that.

@Holy Cannoli

(3)

Now for 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. “Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

The context first, then. What is Paul doing? He’s scolding the Corinthian Church because they’re messing up badly and failing to observe the most basic of Christian … [Altro]

@Holy Cannoli

(2)

So! Keeping all that in mind, let’s take a look at Romans 1:26-27:“Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.”

First off, the context. Who/what is this passage talking about? It’s talking about … [Altro]

@Holy Cannoli

Oh, boy. Well, um... I have a reply for you, but it's a long answer. I guess I'll just have to split it up into a few smaller ones.

(1)

Actually, I am familiar with the Scriptures.I’ve done a lot of research about this. I’m quite familiar with what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. I’m not going to analyze every single one of the clobber passages for you, but if you want to dwell on those two, then let’s do that.

Just a few notes before we start, though. When we study … [Altro]

*sigh*

Right. So let's assess all this stuff. Easiest first, I'm guessing. So--

@JTLiuzza

First off, I gotta tell you I'm a communist. ;p

Second, no one holds monopoly as to what the Word of God truly is about. No one. Centuries of history have revealed to us that the Church has made mistakes. Popes have made mistakes. And big ones, too.

Very good Cannoli Clear and to the point

"put up or shut up" heterphobe.....

Amen!

Okay. You know what?

I do know what but you obviously don't.
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I'm seriously getting sick of Christians thinking that God forbids homosexuality.

Whether or not you're a homosexual, you are definitely unfamiliar with scripture.

In Romans 1:26-27, testimony is given against homosexuality:
“Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations … [Altro]

@JTLiuzza

Thank you Fr. Rodriguez for your Excellent video on the unnatural perversion of homosexuality.

www.latinmasstimes.com

With the mindset of a protestant muuno has decided that she is wiser than Holy Mother Church herself.

Your mind has been polluted by the leftist propaganda that permeates our diseased culture.

Make an honest attempt at understanding Church teaching on the matter (your understanding now is deeply flawed). Lose your anger and bitterness first. Then pray for understanding before you start to seek that understanding.

Then contact a good, orthodox Catholic priest and ask to speak with him about … [Altro]

Okay. You know what? I'm seriously getting sick of Christians thinking that God forbids homosexuality. A deep, serious assessment of the 'clobber passages' most commonly employed to condemn homosexual people will reveal that they say NOTHING that condemns homosexual relationships as we understand them now. The Bible is silent about them - although some theologians do argue that Christ approved the union of two homosexual men, among other gay-affirming things.

Why on earth do we even insist on … [Altro]

Fr. Michael Rodrigues so wonderfully spoke on this subject. God bless and protect this defender of the Faith!

www.gloria.tv/?media=193900

www.latinmasstimes.com