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An solch einen Medienauflauf sind wir "normale" Menschen doch selber schuld. Durch den Kauf dieser Boulevarblätter und das ansehen dieser Promi Sendungen finanzieren wir doch so etwas. Hätten diese Sender weniger Einnahmen, würden sie sich schon überlegen über was sie berichten sollen. Auch wenn ich diesen Pius Bruder nicht leiden kann, eine bessere Medienpräsent's kann er doch gar nicht bekommen …More
An solch einen Medienauflauf sind wir "normale" Menschen doch selber schuld. Durch den Kauf dieser Boulevarblätter und das ansehen dieser Promi Sendungen finanzieren wir doch so etwas. Hätten diese Sender weniger Einnahmen, würden sie sich schon überlegen über was sie berichten sollen. Auch wenn ich diesen Pius Bruder nicht leiden kann, eine bessere Medienpräsent's kann er doch gar nicht bekommen. Eigentlich sollten wir diesen Thema endgültig beenden und uns auf wichitigere Glaubensdinge konzentrieren; gerade jetzt in der Fastenzeit in der wir uns auf das Hochfest unseres Glaubens vorbereiten. Somit höre ich jetzt auch auf über diesen "Bruder " zu schreiben. 
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Ces journalistes ne sont que des grosses charognes dépourvues de la moindre once de fierté !
C'est bien la peine de venir chialer suite aux déclarations de Monseigneur Williamson, si c'est pour lui demander de s'en expliquer par la suite !!! De qui se moque-t-on ???
J'éprouve bien moins de respect à l'égard de ces journalistes abjects qu'envers les péripatéticiennes... Et Dieu sait si je puis …More
Ces journalistes ne sont que des grosses charognes dépourvues de la moindre once de fierté !
C'est bien la peine de venir chialer suite aux déclarations de Monseigneur Williamson, si c'est pour lui demander de s'en expliquer par la suite !!! De qui se moque-t-on ???
J'éprouve bien moins de respect à l'égard de ces journalistes abjects qu'envers les péripatéticiennes... Et Dieu sait si je puis être en désaccord avec les divagations historiques de Monseigneur Williamson...
C'est bien la peine de venir chialer suite aux déclarations de Monseigneur Williamson, si c'est pour lui demander de s'en expliquer par la suite !!! De qui se moque-t-on ???
J'éprouve bien moins de respect à l'égard de ces journalistes abjects qu'envers les péripatéticiennes... Et Dieu sait si je puis être en désaccord avec les divagations historiques de Monseigneur Williamson...
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THE WILLIAMSON CASE
1) Faith and Morality suppose History and politics (which is "social
morality" and has nothing to do with political parties). Separating
Faith from politics is the essence of liberal Catholicism. Moreover,
historical facts are the basis of Catholic Faith: for instance, if
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THE WILLIAMSON CASE
1) Faith and Morality suppose History and politics (which is "social
morality" and has nothing to do with political parties). Separating
Faith from politics is the essence of liberal Catholicism. Moreover,
historical facts are the basis of Catholic Faith: for instance, if
Jesus' birth, death and Resurrection were not historical facts, our
Faith would collapse. Jesus was born under Augustus' reign and died
under Pontius Pilate’s authority. Similarly, exterminationism is the
basis of the holocaustical religion, which intends to replace the
Holocaust of Jesus, Redeemer of mankind, by the Holocaust of the
Jewish people.
2) It is impossible to restore Faith in its integrity without
restoring social or political life ("Restaurare omnia in Christo",
was Saint Pius X's motto) and without having an historical knowledge
based on facts and not myths, especially if those are instruments to
propose a new theological concept (Holocaust of the Jews) and to
unhinge the traditional Catholic concept (Holocaust of the Christ).
3) Holocaust was the basis of Vatican II's new doctrine about deicide
("Nostra Aetate"), of Paul VI's reform of Good Friday's prayer (NOM,
1970), of John Paul II's theory about "the Old Covenant which was
never cancelled" (in Magonza, 1981). Moreover, the "theology of God's
silence" was born following reflections on Holocaust, as it is
presented by the "exterminationists." Some theologians (following
Hans Jonas' and Giovanni Battista Metz's steps) deny Providence and
God's goodness and call into question His existence because God
allowed Holocaust. Holocaust is for Talmudic Judaism
a "meta-historical absolute", a sacrificial act which has a saving
value. After the destruction of the Temple (70 AD), rabbinical
exegesis replaced Mosaic Faith in a personal Messiah by Faith in
a "collective Messiah", who is the Jewish people. Christianity cannot
accept this sacralization of the Jewish Holocaust, which would be the
denying of its own identity and Faith: the only Holocaust is the
Sacrifice of Christ. Admitting another saving and "meta-historical"
Holocaust besides Jesus' would be an act of apostasy. Unfortunately,
the new Judaic conciliar and postconciliar theology of the council
grew in a progressist Catholic environment, we hope it did not
pollute the environment bound to Tradition. Therefore, the Priest's
duty is to warn the faithful.
4) It does not seem me a sin or a breaking to express one's own
opinion about historical validity of a vast literature concerning
the "re-examination" (and not "negation") of Holocaust's thesis,
introduced by the pro-Soviet Gromiko in 1948. Many historians, in
Israel as well, assert there is no historical certainty about a IIIrd
Reich's plan to destroy the Jewish people with gas chambers. Of
course, there were deportations to concentration camps, where many
Jews were killed. Killing an innocent is a crime and a serious sin
against the fifth commandment. Bishop Richard Williamson expressed it
clearly during the interview, he said nothing contrary to Faith and
Morality, outlined only his opinion, which does not discredit the
integral Catholic doctrine. If the bishop as a bishop talks about
Faith and Morality, with an ecclesiastic authority, it does not mean
he could not talk, without an ecclesiastic authority, about History
or social morality. Moreover, if Bishop Williamson's positions or,
better said, opinions about the Holocaust do not reflect FSSPX's
opinions, so I wonder: in such a case, if it is lawful for the
Fraternity to talk about History or politics, why is it not the same
for Bishop Williamson?
5) It is at least naive to deceive oneself into believing a
small "mea culpa" (one hoped they came to an end with John Paul's
death) could appease the anger and the hatred of Judaism against
Christ and His Church. In fact, the chief rabbi of Rome (Riccardo Di
Signi) said at once that Bishop Fellay's apologies (who only talked
about "inappropriateness") were completely insufficient and
irrelevant. Thus it is necessary to re-examine the old theological
positions against Judaism which, as Jules Isaac said (belittling the
Holocaust), deny religious freedom (ecumenism, negation of the
deicide, appropriateness of the Saint Pius V Mass), as the Italian
rabbi reaffirmed in 2007. Then Di Segni asked the FSSPX not to limit
itself to silence the one "negationist" bishop (who in reality is not
negationist), but to make clear its very thought about Vatican II's
doctrine and about Judaism. The very problem, according to Di Segni,
is the theological position of the FSSPX about Judaism, and if it is
not made clear (that is, if a new position is accepted, as Bishop
Lefebvre's positions about ecumenism and deicide are clear), the
question remains open. We should not to imagine to calm down a lion
who wants to waste (his prey) just by giving him a little ball of
meat. Di Segni will accuse us of anti-Semitism, as he did with Bishop
Williamson.
6) If Jesus Christ had not made inappropriate sermons ("you whose
father is the devil", Jean, VIII, 48), he would have died in His bed
and would not have accomplished the Father's will. Saint Paul advises
to "preach appropriately and inappropriately". Saint Thomas, in the
theological Sum, writes "it is necessary to preach the truth to the
Jews, without being afraid of irritating them, as Jesus who taught
publicly the truth which they hated, and reproached them for their
vice, without being afraid of irritating them" (Saint Thomas, III,
42, 2). The Apostles were "happy to suffer persecutions" from the
Sanhedrin because they preached about Christ crucified by the High
Priests and they were not frightened of disrepute, on the contrary
they loved it.
7) Cardinal Bagnasco was more firm and fair, he talked about a
campaign orchestrated by the media. He did not re-excommunicate
anyone.
8) I hope these facts will not lead to new divides. Perhaps a greater
doctrinal firmness and a real brotherly charity would have saved what
a harshness of heart and a theological-historical-political weakness
seem to have engendered. The responsible one does not seem to me to be
Bishop Williamson: Father Reginaldo Garrigou-Lagrange wrote "liberals
are broad-minded in doctrine because they do not believe firmly, and
pitiless in practice, because they do not really love."
9) Lastly Benedict XVI intervened (this morning) in defence,
unfortunately, of the Holocaust, and he told that the normalisation
of the relations with the "traditionalists" depends on their whole
acceptance of Vatican II. Perhaps all these events have be useful in
taking away all ambiguity, the Catholics bound to Tradition know
that, if they do not accept "Nostra Aetate" and the
post-conciliar "Judaeo-Christianity", there will be no room for them.
10) Let God give us the courage – in this sad time of "universal
apostasy" – to maintain the Faith in the Holocaust of Christ, the
only real Redeemer of mankind.
Don Curzio Nitoglia
28th January 2009
www.soutenir-mgr-williamson.co.cc
THE WILLIAMSON CASE
1) Faith and Morality suppose History and politics (which is "social
morality" and has nothing to do with political parties). Separating
Faith from politics is the essence of liberal Catholicism. Moreover,
historical facts are the basis of Catholic Faith: for instance, if
Jesus' birth, death and Resurrection were not historical facts, our
Faith would collapse. Jesus was born under Augustus' reign and died
under Pontius Pilate’s authority. Similarly, exterminationism is the
basis of the holocaustical religion, which intends to replace the
Holocaust of Jesus, Redeemer of mankind, by the Holocaust of the
Jewish people.
2) It is impossible to restore Faith in its integrity without
restoring social or political life ("Restaurare omnia in Christo",
was Saint Pius X's motto) and without having an historical knowledge
based on facts and not myths, especially if those are instruments to
propose a new theological concept (Holocaust of the Jews) and to
unhinge the traditional Catholic concept (Holocaust of the Christ).
3) Holocaust was the basis of Vatican II's new doctrine about deicide
("Nostra Aetate"), of Paul VI's reform of Good Friday's prayer (NOM,
1970), of John Paul II's theory about "the Old Covenant which was
never cancelled" (in Magonza, 1981). Moreover, the "theology of God's
silence" was born following reflections on Holocaust, as it is
presented by the "exterminationists." Some theologians (following
Hans Jonas' and Giovanni Battista Metz's steps) deny Providence and
God's goodness and call into question His existence because God
allowed Holocaust. Holocaust is for Talmudic Judaism
a "meta-historical absolute", a sacrificial act which has a saving
value. After the destruction of the Temple (70 AD), rabbinical
exegesis replaced Mosaic Faith in a personal Messiah by Faith in
a "collective Messiah", who is the Jewish people. Christianity cannot
accept this sacralization of the Jewish Holocaust, which would be the
denying of its own identity and Faith: the only Holocaust is the
Sacrifice of Christ. Admitting another saving and "meta-historical"
Holocaust besides Jesus' would be an act of apostasy. Unfortunately,
the new Judaic conciliar and postconciliar theology of the council
grew in a progressist Catholic environment, we hope it did not
pollute the environment bound to Tradition. Therefore, the Priest's
duty is to warn the faithful.
4) It does not seem me a sin or a breaking to express one's own
opinion about historical validity of a vast literature concerning
the "re-examination" (and not "negation") of Holocaust's thesis,
introduced by the pro-Soviet Gromiko in 1948. Many historians, in
Israel as well, assert there is no historical certainty about a IIIrd
Reich's plan to destroy the Jewish people with gas chambers. Of
course, there were deportations to concentration camps, where many
Jews were killed. Killing an innocent is a crime and a serious sin
against the fifth commandment. Bishop Richard Williamson expressed it
clearly during the interview, he said nothing contrary to Faith and
Morality, outlined only his opinion, which does not discredit the
integral Catholic doctrine. If the bishop as a bishop talks about
Faith and Morality, with an ecclesiastic authority, it does not mean
he could not talk, without an ecclesiastic authority, about History
or social morality. Moreover, if Bishop Williamson's positions or,
better said, opinions about the Holocaust do not reflect FSSPX's
opinions, so I wonder: in such a case, if it is lawful for the
Fraternity to talk about History or politics, why is it not the same
for Bishop Williamson?
5) It is at least naive to deceive oneself into believing a
small "mea culpa" (one hoped they came to an end with John Paul's
death) could appease the anger and the hatred of Judaism against
Christ and His Church. In fact, the chief rabbi of Rome (Riccardo Di
Signi) said at once that Bishop Fellay's apologies (who only talked
about "inappropriateness") were completely insufficient and
irrelevant. Thus it is necessary to re-examine the old theological
positions against Judaism which, as Jules Isaac said (belittling the
Holocaust), deny religious freedom (ecumenism, negation of the
deicide, appropriateness of the Saint Pius V Mass), as the Italian
rabbi reaffirmed in 2007. Then Di Segni asked the FSSPX not to limit
itself to silence the one "negationist" bishop (who in reality is not
negationist), but to make clear its very thought about Vatican II's
doctrine and about Judaism. The very problem, according to Di Segni,
is the theological position of the FSSPX about Judaism, and if it is
not made clear (that is, if a new position is accepted, as Bishop
Lefebvre's positions about ecumenism and deicide are clear), the
question remains open. We should not to imagine to calm down a lion
who wants to waste (his prey) just by giving him a little ball of
meat. Di Segni will accuse us of anti-Semitism, as he did with Bishop
Williamson.
6) If Jesus Christ had not made inappropriate sermons ("you whose
father is the devil", Jean, VIII, 48), he would have died in His bed
and would not have accomplished the Father's will. Saint Paul advises
to "preach appropriately and inappropriately". Saint Thomas, in the
theological Sum, writes "it is necessary to preach the truth to the
Jews, without being afraid of irritating them, as Jesus who taught
publicly the truth which they hated, and reproached them for their
vice, without being afraid of irritating them" (Saint Thomas, III,
42, 2). The Apostles were "happy to suffer persecutions" from the
Sanhedrin because they preached about Christ crucified by the High
Priests and they were not frightened of disrepute, on the contrary
they loved it.
7) Cardinal Bagnasco was more firm and fair, he talked about a
campaign orchestrated by the media. He did not re-excommunicate
anyone.
8) I hope these facts will not lead to new divides. Perhaps a greater
doctrinal firmness and a real brotherly charity would have saved what
a harshness of heart and a theological-historical-political weakness
seem to have engendered. The responsible one does not seem to me to be
Bishop Williamson: Father Reginaldo Garrigou-Lagrange wrote "liberals
are broad-minded in doctrine because they do not believe firmly, and
pitiless in practice, because they do not really love."
9) Lastly Benedict XVI intervened (this morning) in defence,
unfortunately, of the Holocaust, and he told that the normalisation
of the relations with the "traditionalists" depends on their whole
acceptance of Vatican II. Perhaps all these events have be useful in
taking away all ambiguity, the Catholics bound to Tradition know
that, if they do not accept "Nostra Aetate" and the
post-conciliar "Judaeo-Christianity", there will be no room for them.
10) Let God give us the courage – in this sad time of "universal
apostasy" – to maintain the Faith in the Holocaust of Christ, the
only real Redeemer of mankind.
Don Curzio Nitoglia
28th January 2009
Isn't it strange that Bishop Williamson was not a person who was well-renowned among the world until now?
And take someone who is, ...and the liberal media would be spouting that they have FREE SPEECH.. and they would be left alone.
But not when it comes to a traditional Catholic.
Why doesn't the media release the Talmud of the jews so the world can see who the real anti -Christian is!More
Isn't it strange that Bishop Williamson was not a person who was well-renowned among the world until now?
And take someone who is, ...and the liberal media would be spouting that they have FREE SPEECH.. and they would be left alone.
But not when it comes to a traditional Catholic.
Why doesn't the media release the Talmud of the jews so the world can see who the real anti -Christian is!
And take someone who is, ...and the liberal media would be spouting that they have FREE SPEECH.. and they would be left alone.
But not when it comes to a traditional Catholic.
Why doesn't the media release the Talmud of the jews so the world can see who the real anti -Christian is!
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Tja, Hase,
wenn es kein Sprichwort wäre, dann hätte es sicher etwas mit Ihnen zu tun. Ich frag mich nur, WAS?!!!
.....also, ist es ein Sprichwort.
wenn es kein Sprichwort wäre, dann hätte es sicher etwas mit Ihnen zu tun. Ich frag mich nur, WAS?!!!
.....also, ist es ein Sprichwort.
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Dieses "Sensationsvideo" hat aber auch enorm viele Zugriffe hier auf gloria, innerhalb kürzester Zeit.
So läuft der Hase...... 
Es ist nicht die böse Presse, (die tun ja nur ihre Arbeit), sondern wir, die wir die Sensation lieben und suchen, bedingen die Zustände.
Jeder Bedarf wird gedeckt. Die Menschen sehen es sich an, auch wenn sie eigentlich gegen das unmenschliche Vorgehen der Presse sind.More
Dieses "Sensationsvideo" hat aber auch enorm viele Zugriffe hier auf gloria, innerhalb kürzester Zeit.
So läuft der Hase......
Es ist nicht die böse Presse, (die tun ja nur ihre Arbeit), sondern wir, die wir die Sensation lieben und suchen, bedingen die Zustände.
Jeder Bedarf wird gedeckt. Die Menschen sehen es sich an, auch wenn sie eigentlich gegen das unmenschliche Vorgehen der Presse sind.
So läuft der Hase......
Es ist nicht die böse Presse, (die tun ja nur ihre Arbeit), sondern wir, die wir die Sensation lieben und suchen, bedingen die Zustände.
Jeder Bedarf wird gedeckt. Die Menschen sehen es sich an, auch wenn sie eigentlich gegen das unmenschliche Vorgehen der Presse sind.
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@TomLuka
Die Stimme der redlichen Journalisten wird echt nicht mehr wahrgenommen.
Selbst sogenannte "freie" Journalisten und Moderatoren müssen irgendwie provozieren, auf dass das Interview nicht gar so langweilig wird...Die Quoten...ach ja..
.Echt "FREIE" Medienleute im Sinne von Phil 4,8-9 gibt es nicht mehr....
Die Stimme der redlichen Journalisten wird echt nicht mehr wahrgenommen.
Selbst sogenannte "freie" Journalisten und Moderatoren müssen irgendwie provozieren, auf dass das Interview nicht gar so langweilig wird...Die Quoten...ach ja..
.Echt "FREIE" Medienleute im Sinne von Phil 4,8-9 gibt es nicht mehr....
@elisabethvonthüringen: Ja, das ist wahr, aber es ist ebenso unübersehbar dass die Journalie einen Ethos braucht der im Berufsstand selbst völligst unter die Räder gekommen ist. Die Stimme der redlichen Journalisten gegen diese Art von Bericherstattung ist doch nicht wahrnehmbar! 
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Wer füttert denn diese Medienmeute?? Doch nur das "normale" Volk durch seine Sensationsgier, wer kauft denn all die Glitzer-und Glemmerblätter??
Man sehe sich nur die Bilder der Oscar-Verleihung an....
Ohne Medienrummel wären die meisten Stars und Sternchen tot...und töter...
Man sehe sich nur die Bilder der Oscar-Verleihung an....
Ohne Medienrummel wären die meisten Stars und Sternchen tot...und töter...
@Angelico: Das wird uns ja seit Jahren vorgegaukelt, das wäre halt der "normale Medienrummel". Normaler Medienrummel?? Das ist wie Spießrutenlaufen, das ist Stress pur für die Person die da im Blitzlichtgewitter an den Pranger gestellt wird. Das ist im tiefsten Sinne unmenschlich. Wir müssen endlich damit beginnen unseren "normalen" Medienrummel zu hinterfragen und immer öfters anzumahnen! Diese …More
@Angelico: Das wird uns ja seit Jahren vorgegaukelt, das wäre halt der "normale Medienrummel". Normaler Medienrummel?? Das ist wie Spießrutenlaufen, das ist Stress pur für die Person die da im Blitzlichtgewitter an den Pranger gestellt wird. Das ist im tiefsten Sinne unmenschlich. Wir müssen endlich damit beginnen unseren "normalen" Medienrummel zu hinterfragen und immer öfters anzumahnen! Diese Meute wildgewordener Pseudojournalisten ist ein Skandal! 
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Beten wir fest für unseren Hl. Vater!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<<<Die größte Sauerei: es geht wohl auch gar nicht um Williamsons Holocaust-Aussagen, sondern eigentlich will man mit solchem Medienspektakel doch bloß Stimmung gegen den Papst und die traditionelle Lehre der katholischen Kirche machen.
Eine Schande!<<<
Genau das meinte ich, danke Bavaricus.... More
<<<Die größte Sauerei: es geht wohl auch gar nicht um Williamsons Holocaust-Aussagen, sondern eigentlich will man mit solchem Medienspektakel doch bloß Stimmung gegen den Papst und die traditionelle Lehre der katholischen Kirche machen.
Eine Schande!<<<
Genau das meinte ich, danke Bavaricus....
Eine Schande!<<<
Genau das meinte ich, danke Bavaricus....
Ich finde, man sollte den Mann jetzt endlich mal in Ruhe lassen...
Es gibt wirkliche Verbrecher, die frei und unbehelligt herumlaufen - das, was hier passiert, geht über alle rationalen Grenzen hinaus!
Gewiss, Williamson hat einen Riesenblödsinn über die Shoah verzapft, ... aber auf solche Weise wird man ihn nicht ändern können. Außerdem laufen noch genügend andere Holocuast-Leugner in der Welt …More
Ich finde, man sollte den Mann jetzt endlich mal in Ruhe lassen...
Es gibt wirkliche Verbrecher, die frei und unbehelligt herumlaufen - das, was hier passiert, geht über alle rationalen Grenzen hinaus!
Gewiss, Williamson hat einen Riesenblödsinn über die Shoah verzapft, ... aber auf solche Weise wird man ihn nicht ändern können. Außerdem laufen noch genügend andere Holocuast-Leugner in der Welt frei herum! Viel schlimmere als man sich denkt!
Die größte Sauerei: es geht wohl auch gar nicht um Williamsons Holocaust-Aussagen, sondern eigentlich will man mit solchem Medienspektakel doch bloß Stimmung gegen den Papst und die traditionelle Lehre der katholischen Kirche machen.
Eine Schande!
Es gibt wirkliche Verbrecher, die frei und unbehelligt herumlaufen - das, was hier passiert, geht über alle rationalen Grenzen hinaus!
Gewiss, Williamson hat einen Riesenblödsinn über die Shoah verzapft, ... aber auf solche Weise wird man ihn nicht ändern können. Außerdem laufen noch genügend andere Holocuast-Leugner in der Welt frei herum! Viel schlimmere als man sich denkt!
Die größte Sauerei: es geht wohl auch gar nicht um Williamsons Holocaust-Aussagen, sondern eigentlich will man mit solchem Medienspektakel doch bloß Stimmung gegen den Papst und die traditionelle Lehre der katholischen Kirche machen.
Eine Schande!