Vatican to breakaway traditionalists: not enough

Vatican to breakaway traditionalists: not enough The Vatican on Friday told a breakaway group of traditionalists that they have so far failed to overcome doctrinal differences blocking a return to the …More
Vatican to breakaway traditionalists: not enough
The Vatican on Friday told a breakaway group of traditionalists that they have so far failed to overcome doctrinal differences blocking a return to the church fold, a cherished goal for Pope Benedict XVI.
Cardinal William Levada, who heads the Vatican's office to ensure doctrinal orthodoxy, met for two hours at the Vatican with Bishop Bernard Fellay, leader of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X.
The group has opposed the Vatican's decades-long outreach to Jews, Muslims and members of other faith.
More broadly, it opposes the liberalizing reforms the Vatican enacted in the 1960s.
Benedict has made efforts at church unity a priority of his nearly seven-year-old papacy, especially reaching out to ultraconservatives.
Despite failure to reach agreement following Benedict's overture to the group, the Vatican left the door open, saying that Fellay's group has been given until mid-April "to reflect and clarify" its position, a Vatican …More
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@tbswv- "...not enough of what?"
It's good that the SSPX is staunchly orthodox, but they cannot repudiate VII, or call it or parts of it heretical. VII can be interpreted from a traditionalist perspective as many Catholics who attend EF masses in regular diocesan parishes, do.
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@tbswv- "...not enough of what?"

It's good that the SSPX is staunchly orthodox, but they cannot repudiate VII, or call it or parts of it heretical. VII can be interpreted from a traditionalist perspective as many Catholics who attend EF masses in regular diocesan parishes, do.
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tbswv
...not enough of what? Not enough from a Society that adheres to the Magisterium of the Church, teaches all that the Church Fathers have taught, preserves the ancient Roman liturgy, teaches authenticate Catholic doctrines in its schools, and prepares young children to have the proper disposition to receive the sacraments? The SSPX is not another sect trying to join Rome. Their priests and bishops …More
...not enough of what? Not enough from a Society that adheres to the Magisterium of the Church, teaches all that the Church Fathers have taught, preserves the ancient Roman liturgy, teaches authenticate Catholic doctrines in its schools, and prepares young children to have the proper disposition to receive the sacraments? The SSPX is not another sect trying to join Rome. Their priests and bishops truely know what it means to be Roman Catholic.
EJGCatholic
rhemes1582 i was only quoting wdtprs.com/…/sspx-bp-fellay-… ,as it relates to the current subject of discussion.i think FR. Z's comments are worth considering..please read link, with comments, in entirety.PAX
...in Vaticanese---"moved by concern to avoid an ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences,"=means possible future schism
might i also suggest something more relevant; …More
rhemes1582 i was only quoting wdtprs.com/…/sspx-bp-fellay-… ,as it relates to the current subject of discussion.i think FR. Z's comments are worth considering..please read link, with comments, in entirety.PAX
...in Vaticanese---"moved by concern to avoid an ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences,"=means possible future schism
might i also suggest something more relevant; wdtprs.com/…/holy-see-statem… 🙏 ✍️

PS. i prefer my Church info. from Fr. Z., over the Associated Press.... ✍️ 🤨 in Communion of Pryers, EJG
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Holy See Statement about SSPX and avoiding “ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences”
wdtprs.com/…/holy-see-statem…
EJGCatholic
"a sermon of SSPX Bp. Bernard Fellay for Candlemas. It is a real dissapointment, to say the least. Fellay said that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X is “obliged to say ‘no’” to the proposal of reconciliation which came from the Vatican.
In a time when more and more we need Catholic unity, after reading Bp. Fellay’s words it is hard to understand how the SSPX is not on a course to formal schism." …More
"a sermon of SSPX Bp. Bernard Fellay for Candlemas. It is a real dissapointment, to say the least. Fellay said that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X is “obliged to say ‘no’” to the proposal of reconciliation which came from the Vatican.
In a time when more and more we need Catholic unity, after reading Bp. Fellay’s words it is hard to understand how the SSPX is not on a course to formal schism."
wdtprs.com/…/sspx-bp-fellay-…
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@+JMJ+ in "Gloria.TV - News Briefs": The Church welcomes the "Anglicans, Lutherans...etc." to be in communion with Rome under the SAME conditions that were extended to the SSPX. That ALL must conform to the Depositvm Fedei is mandatory; a prerequiste for full communion. As one can see from the Anglican Ordinatriate; the traditional Liturgy of the Church of England had to be brought into alignment …More
@+JMJ+ in "Gloria.TV - News Briefs": The Church welcomes the "Anglicans, Lutherans...etc." to be in communion with Rome under the SAME conditions that were extended to the SSPX. That ALL must conform to the Depositvm Fedei is mandatory; a prerequiste for full communion. As one can see from the Anglican Ordinatriate; the traditional Liturgy of the Church of England had to be brought into alignment with the Lex Ornadi of the Roman Rite, while keeping their musical tradition, which is after all centred and rooted in the mediaeval Divine Office and Mass of the old Sarum Rite (which is Roman Catholic)! The same can be seen with the Lutherans and their liturgical traditions.

The bottom line is that ALL MUST CONFORM TO THE HOLY ROMAN PATRIARCHIAL SEE OF ROME... including the SSPX!!!
Holy Cannoli
Jewish groups have expressed concern that the Vatican's overture to the breakaway Catholics could call into question 50 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations.
50 years of progress?
Oy vey!
Catholics changed their Good Friday liturgy.
Why?
The Jews complained.
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Catholics are not to pray that the Jews recognize Jesus the Christ as the true Messiah who came to earth to save all men. …More
Jewish groups have expressed concern that the Vatican's overture to the breakaway Catholics could call into question 50 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations.

50 years of progress?

Oy vey!

Catholics changed their Good Friday liturgy.

Why?

The Jews complained.
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Catholics are not to pray that the Jews recognize Jesus the Christ as the true Messiah who came to earth to save all men.

Why?

The Jews complained.
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Catholics are not to target Jews for convesion to the true faith.

Why?

The Jews complained.
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Keep in mind, while all this freakin' “PROGRESS has been taking place, Catholics are still being spat upon with regularity by Jews in the Holy City.

It's no wonder Jews think Catholics (in particular the Catholic hierarchy) are stupid. They are.
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Comments from Rorate Caeli:
It is very sad that as the Vatican always is taking about ecumenism, it does not seem willingly to be inclusive to the SSPX. The Vatican is welcoming to the heretical Anglicans, Lutherans, the Neo Catechumanal Way and the like, but yet are hostile to the SSPX, who has never deviated from the true Catholic faith. Many, many prayers are needed right now. +JMJ+
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Comments from Rorate Caeli:

It is very sad that as the Vatican always is taking about ecumenism, it does not seem willingly to be inclusive to the SSPX. The Vatican is welcoming to the heretical Anglicans, Lutherans, the Neo Catechumanal Way and the like, but yet are hostile to the SSPX, who has never deviated from the true Catholic faith. Many, many prayers are needed right now. +JMJ+
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As for conspiracy, theres no conspiracy, simply a lack of naivety. Anything less would be foolish considering the 40 years of persecution tradition and the society has endured and for that matter continues to endure. How many bishops apply double standards when it comes to liberal and orthodox catholics? Or invent reasons or at the very least are not entirely honest when refusing to allow a TLM? Or completely and sometimes deliberately misunderstand the motu propio? The answer is many, many of them and even Rome itself sometimes does so. People could be called conspiracy theorists for believing such things and yet they are right.
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"I think the Vatican wants a clear answer to the original "ultimatum" which was the Preamble. They didn't get a real answer to it, so that is insufficient. They want a clearer answer to the Preamble and I can totally understand that.

However, I think the SSPX made a mistake in their initial answer to the Preamble. Even now, I think they should respond with a simple statement to the effect that they hold and will hold everything in the Apostles', Nicean, and Athanasian Creeds, AND that they do and always will abide by any and all dogmas defined by the Catholic Church, under the authority of the Pope. As for VII, it is for the Pope and his Curia to specify what, if any, is the dogmatic content of VII. This would put the ball in the Vatican's court to clarify exactly what must be held, and the day the Vatican is forced to do this, all of the empty theologian-speak of VII will become evident, as will the fact that no one needs to hold to it. I really wish they had done something of this sort...".
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In the very first official act of his Pontificate, Our Holy Father wrote a letter to the Jews who live in the Holy City of Rome; Our Holy Father approved the offering of the Real Mass merely as an act of toleration for those Catholics who were raised-up in the Faith during the time the Real Mass was normative; and Our Holy Father approved the Catechetical Program of the Kiki Cult and so one does not have to be a weatherman to know that the ecclesiastical winds represent a virtual hurricane of novelty that will blow-away any attempt on the part of The SSPX to decamp in the Holy City of Rome.

The SSPX has made it crystal clear that its synapses are activated by Tradition and so their collective intellect is definitely not aligned with the current, and transient and temporary, currents of thought that have swamped that which I was born into - The Pre-V2 Catholic Church.
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Sometimes I wonder if the Vatican is really interested in the SSPX being "reconciliated". Most in the upper echelons of the Vatican are unrepentent Modernists and promoters and defenders of "the spirit of V2". They know of, and clearly see, the destruction all around them, but they seem to have a diabolical satisfaction in letting it all happen.
Witness the fact that any Modernist group is acceptable and given the honors of being "in full communion" regardless of their destructive behaviour and scandal they cause.

But when it comes to the SSPX all hell breaks loose and pure hatred and condemnation abound. Other Traditional Priests are oppressed as well and accused of all sorts of misdeeds, and the list goes on and on. Who is there to defend them all? Not those occupying the Vatican. It is really very sad and frustrating. How long Oh Lord, how long...?
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Jewish groups have expressed concern that the Vatican's overture to the breakaway Catholics could call into question 50 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations.
Paving the way for better church relations with Jews was the groundbreaking 1962-65 Second Vatican Council, whose modernizing reforms included reaching out to Jews and permitting the Mass to be celebrated in local languages instead …
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Jewish groups have expressed concern that the Vatican's overture to the breakaway Catholics could call into question 50 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish relations.

Paving the way for better church relations with Jews was the groundbreaking 1962-65 Second Vatican Council, whose modernizing reforms included reaching out to Jews and permitting the Mass to be celebrated in local languages instead of in Latin.