Cardinal Pell: The old Mass is essential part of our patrimony
Transcript of an interview with George Cardinal Pell, Member of the Council of Cardinals and Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy (Video: Cardinal Pell: The old Mass is essential part of our …More
Transcript of an interview with George Cardinal Pell, Member of the Council of Cardinals and Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy (Video: Cardinal Pell: The old Mass is essential part of our patrimony):
Gloria.tv: Your Eminence, participants in the last Synod of Bishops have questioned Catholic moral doctrine. Has this fact alone not done damage to the Church?
I think it's a mixed blessing. These tensions exist. There are people who have mistaken ideas - in the parishes, in the communities. And I think it is the idea of the Holy Father that it is better for these things to come out and to be confronted - rather than for us to pretend that they don't exist. They do exist and there was vigorous discussion at the first Synod. The great majority of the fathers of the Synod were following the Tradition.
In periods of the greatest expansion of the Church after the first Christian emperor Constantine, there was an enormous amount of public bitterness and discussion and differences. And …More
Gloria.tv: Your Eminence, participants in the last Synod of Bishops have questioned Catholic moral doctrine. Has this fact alone not done damage to the Church?
I think it's a mixed blessing. These tensions exist. There are people who have mistaken ideas - in the parishes, in the communities. And I think it is the idea of the Holy Father that it is better for these things to come out and to be confronted - rather than for us to pretend that they don't exist. They do exist and there was vigorous discussion at the first Synod. The great majority of the fathers of the Synod were following the Tradition.
In periods of the greatest expansion of the Church after the first Christian emperor Constantine, there was an enormous amount of public bitterness and discussion and differences. And …More
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A dictionary definition of "patrimony" is "the inheretence from one's father or ancestors. In both cases, the content of the "partrimony" is from someone or someones (e.g., previous Church goers of the ages) that is or are DEAD!!!! DEAD!!! One can see the architecture of "dead" Roman culture in many civil buildngs of the US or of Europe, the patrimony of a culture gone for eternity. Roman columes …More
A dictionary definition of "patrimony" is "the inheretence from one's father or ancestors. In both cases, the content of the "partrimony" is from someone or someones (e.g., previous Church goers of the ages) that is or are DEAD!!!! DEAD!!! One can see the architecture of "dead" Roman culture in many civil buildngs of the US or of Europe, the patrimony of a culture gone for eternity. Roman columes arises today from the common cultural ancestory of Rome, gone, passé, away and no more or, in short, DEAD!
Catholics of a traditional (= forming the present as a continuation of the past) orientation call the content of the patrimony (sic!) "the Latin Mass" (there are other designatins too). Note the difference to Russian Orthodoxy or Orthodoxy per se. The liturgy of the Mass is called "The Liturgy of St. John Chrisostem". The tying of liturgy to the Saint sets a limits to "new" experiments. There is, of course, a historical evolution of said liturgy. Compare, Rachmonanivov's beautifuly redention with versions of the 16th Century (no problem if one uses YouTube). Indeed, today, Old Slavonic is not used so much, but the liturgy remains the same (and most Russians cannot dechipher the chanting even in modern Russian, though they know what is meant). By attaching their liturgical expresion to a specific type of liturgy in the name of St. Chrisostem, the Russian Orthodox are not faced with the con-job (from my point of view) of "new" and never heard of forms of the mass, nicely called the regular and extraordinary mass -- exemplifying often enough the difference between the rediculous and the sublime. Look up in YouTube "A Comparision of Catholic and Orthodox Liturgy" (if I have remembered the title) and one will encounter the Orthodox expression of the Holy and a Catholic depression of the Holy -- at best a jovial encounter of sociality where man, rather than Christ resurrected, is at the heart of the matter. Such a distortion is not possible for Orthodoxy.
Cardinal Pell can well get pleasure from preforming a form of a "dead" liturgy (i.e., no longer the living and ENlivening expression of Catholic worship), and I am pleased that he does as he enables a quaint journey for the curious into the liturgical life of the patres of the past, now deceased, who have left a "beautiful and essential part of our patrimimony", not, however, of "our" ongoing living liturgical life. If some people still want (oh, how democratic can one get) "this form of worship", ok.,, the good Cardinal finds it appropiate to satiate such a "want" by "offering" it for "our" current interest in the dead (i.e., no longer relevant) past, the patrimony of the prisci theologi. At least Cardinal Pell learned Latin and how to say the Mas of the Vetus Ordo. And the non-Latinist, liturgically impoverished priests of the future? Will Catholics of the future look back one day at the "Latin Mass" as they do to Roman columes of City Hall?
A polite and friendly con-job!
Catholics of a traditional (= forming the present as a continuation of the past) orientation call the content of the patrimony (sic!) "the Latin Mass" (there are other designatins too). Note the difference to Russian Orthodoxy or Orthodoxy per se. The liturgy of the Mass is called "The Liturgy of St. John Chrisostem". The tying of liturgy to the Saint sets a limits to "new" experiments. There is, of course, a historical evolution of said liturgy. Compare, Rachmonanivov's beautifuly redention with versions of the 16th Century (no problem if one uses YouTube). Indeed, today, Old Slavonic is not used so much, but the liturgy remains the same (and most Russians cannot dechipher the chanting even in modern Russian, though they know what is meant). By attaching their liturgical expresion to a specific type of liturgy in the name of St. Chrisostem, the Russian Orthodox are not faced with the con-job (from my point of view) of "new" and never heard of forms of the mass, nicely called the regular and extraordinary mass -- exemplifying often enough the difference between the rediculous and the sublime. Look up in YouTube "A Comparision of Catholic and Orthodox Liturgy" (if I have remembered the title) and one will encounter the Orthodox expression of the Holy and a Catholic depression of the Holy -- at best a jovial encounter of sociality where man, rather than Christ resurrected, is at the heart of the matter. Such a distortion is not possible for Orthodoxy.
Cardinal Pell can well get pleasure from preforming a form of a "dead" liturgy (i.e., no longer the living and ENlivening expression of Catholic worship), and I am pleased that he does as he enables a quaint journey for the curious into the liturgical life of the patres of the past, now deceased, who have left a "beautiful and essential part of our patrimimony", not, however, of "our" ongoing living liturgical life. If some people still want (oh, how democratic can one get) "this form of worship", ok.,, the good Cardinal finds it appropiate to satiate such a "want" by "offering" it for "our" current interest in the dead (i.e., no longer relevant) past, the patrimony of the prisci theologi. At least Cardinal Pell learned Latin and how to say the Mas of the Vetus Ordo. And the non-Latinist, liturgically impoverished priests of the future? Will Catholics of the future look back one day at the "Latin Mass" as they do to Roman columes of City Hall?
A polite and friendly con-job!