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Houston, We Have a Problem. Only Four Faithful Catholics left in Houston.More
Houston, We Have a Problem.

Only Four Faithful Catholics left in Houston.
mwb
Matthew 7-15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing , but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their FRUITS you will know them.
frpope
I remember years ago that I visited the Baltimore Cathedral of Mary our Queen and happened upon a Lutheran "ordination" Archbishop Borders was even in attendance. It is a remarkably incoherent thing to do especially today when the liberal protestants oppose us on more than theological grounds, they have even departed natural law and oppose us in every social issue of the day
philosopher
DAPNE #137: "However, if priests, ministers or communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church do not have a place or the liturgical objects necessary for celebrating worthily their religious ceremonies, the diocesan Bishop may allow them the use of a church or a Catholic building..."
That one may allow, doesn't mean that they have to allow it, or are obligated to do it.

A traditional …More
DAPNE #137: "However, if priests, ministers or communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church do not have a place or the liturgical objects necessary for celebrating worthily their religious ceremonies, the diocesan Bishop may allow them the use of a church or a Catholic building..."
That one may allow, doesn't mean that they have to allow it, or are obligated to do it.


A traditional minded bishop would not have allowed a group that is pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and has female psuedo-bishops to use (desecrate) the Cathedral, but they may have allowed an eastern rite church not in communion with Rome to use it. That would an example of true ecumenism in continuity with tradition.
SaintPeterNolasco
Michael Voris should be more scandalized by the fact that the Cardinal in question is only doing what is recommended in the name of ecumenism according to the Vatican's own 'Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism' [DAPNE] which can be perused at the following link:
www.vatican.va/…/rc_pc_chrstuni_…
Specifically he is abiding by DAPNE #137: However, if priests, ministers …More
Michael Voris should be more scandalized by the fact that the Cardinal in question is only doing what is recommended in the name of ecumenism according to the Vatican's own 'Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism' [DAPNE] which can be perused at the following link:

www.vatican.va/…/rc_pc_chrstuni_…

Specifically he is abiding by DAPNE #137: However, if priests, ministers or communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church do not have a place or the liturgical objects necessary for celebrating worthily their religious ceremonies, the diocesan Bishop may allow them the use of a church or a Catholic building and also lend them what may be necessary for their services. Under similar circumstances, permission may be given to them for interment or for the celebration of services at Catholic cemeteries.
aamador
@MilitantChurch
" I am sticking to my faith in God, not other clergy's faith. Long live the Catholic Tradition!"
Sorry for harping on this point but I will stick with pre-Vatican II tradition you can keep the rest. So we only agree partially on this point. I think nearly 2000 years of tradition replaced Vatican II, does not constitute tradition. Card. Ratzinger refer to The Novus Ordo Reform as "…More
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" I am sticking to my faith in God, not other clergy's faith. Long live the Catholic Tradition!"

Sorry for harping on this point but I will stick with pre-Vatican II tradition you can keep the rest. So we only agree partially on this point. I think nearly 2000 years of tradition replaced Vatican II, does not constitute tradition. Card. Ratzinger refer to The Novus Ordo Reform as "a Banal On-the-Spot Product"

I agree with him then.

Long live the old traditional Church as founded by our Lord God.
aamador
@MilitantChurch
" I am sticking to my faith in God, not other clergy's faith. Long live the Catholic Tradition!"
Finally something we can agree on.More
@MilitantChurch
" I am sticking to my faith in God, not other clergy's faith. Long live the Catholic Tradition!"

Finally something we can agree on.
MilitantChurch
Paragraph 112 of "Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms and Ecumenism" states:
112 Although a church building is a place in which a community is normally accustomed to celebrating its own liturgy, the common services mentioned above may be celebrated in the church of one or other of the communities concerned, if that is acceptable to all the participants. Whatever place is used should …More
Paragraph 112 of "Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms and Ecumenism" states:
112 Although a church building is a place in which a community is normally accustomed to celebrating its own liturgy, the common services mentioned above may be celebrated in the church of one or other of the communities concerned, if that is acceptable to all the participants. Whatever place is used should be agreeable to all, be capable of being properly prepared and be conducive to devotion.
This document was blessed by Pope John Paul II. It's amazing the problems come from the top. I am sticking to my faith in God, not other clergy's faith. Long live the Catholic Tradition!
franciscaa
No, the Vatican is not a fake Church. People are the problem, within the Church. Some Catholics choose what they want or don't want in the Church.
People are the one who are weakening the faith, and all the teaching in His Church.
But, we all have to think twice because our Lord does not accept people's opinion.
In Luke 13:23-24 Someone asked him " Lord, will only a few people be saved? He answered …More
No, the Vatican is not a fake Church. People are the problem, within the Church. Some Catholics choose what they want or don't want in the Church.
People are the one who are weakening the faith, and all the teaching in His Church.
But, we all have to think twice because our Lord does not accept people's opinion.

In Luke 13:23-24 Someone asked him " Lord, will only a few people be saved? He answered them, " Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I tell you, will attempt to enter but will not be strong enough.
Our Lord knows all ready what's going on in His holy Church. The unfaithful ones are the only one who are endangering their souls in disobedience to His teaching..

I pray for them as well. 😡 😌
aamador
MilitantChurch
The question of legality is based on the question of Vatican II is schismatic. When a dictator takes over a country he generally implements laws to allow the oligarch to control things. Technically legal isn't it.
I agree with some of the more extreme traditionalist like Fr Paul Kramer, Fr Gruner, Fr Gregory Hesse(RIP) and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre(RIP). I draw from their writing …More
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The question of legality is based on the question of Vatican II is schismatic. When a dictator takes over a country he generally implements laws to allow the oligarch to control things. Technically legal isn't it.

I agree with some of the more extreme traditionalist like Fr Paul Kramer, Fr Gruner, Fr Gregory Hesse(RIP) and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre(RIP). I draw from their writing that we must reject Vatican II teaching. There are many valid reasons for this and this is not the proper venue for this discussion.

I can say this, the option is simple, as catholic, do you owe obedience to the Church or God? I would accept the

infallibility of the Pope and the Church but not absolutely. You must weight the actions of the Church against the very traditions of the Church. When the Church abandons nearly 2000 years of consistent Dogma in one swift move against everything we have believed, then we are bound not to follow their views and laws. It is not just the liturgy that is wrong. The legality of the tromped up new canon law derive from the council of Vatican II cannot carry weight until the issues of the council own legality is established under God.

I do not follow man, I follow only God. Specially when man is in direct contradiction to the word of God and the Catholic Church.
MilitantChurch
This problem is totally legal according to the Vatican Document "Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism." I encourage everyone to google and read it. In this document, it sates that the Catholic church can loan it's facility to non-Catholics for ecumenical reason. My question is what is the Pope going to do about it? These days the problems always come from the top, not …More
This problem is totally legal according to the Vatican Document "Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism." I encourage everyone to google and read it. In this document, it sates that the Catholic church can loan it's facility to non-Catholics for ecumenical reason. My question is what is the Pope going to do about it? These days the problems always come from the top, not the bottom.
aamador
the Vatican has become a Fake Church since Vatican II so why are we surprise?