A Call to Implement Vatican II. Vatican II is the unimplemented council. What many think is Vatican II is the spirit of Vatican II, maybe we consider trying to do what the council calls for and not …More
A Call to Implement Vatican II.
Vatican II is the unimplemented council. What many think is Vatican II is the spirit of Vatican II, maybe we consider trying to do what the council calls for and not all this stupid liberalism.
Vatican II is the unimplemented council. What many think is Vatican II is the spirit of Vatican II, maybe we consider trying to do what the council calls for and not all this stupid liberalism.
To mark m zima-you are coming in late without knowing why SSPX is being discussed-it is not because of this video by Fr.-it is being discussed in reference to a multitude of other videos and posts on Gloria tv-the discussion did not originate here. I hope this explains the situation to you.
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Thank you, father, for being one of the few priests in the Church with the intestional fortitude to speak the truth.
It is interesting that the Society of St. Pius X was brought into the discussion by the posters when you never mentioned the society in your homily. There will be much discussion by moral theologians in the years to come about the morally of the acts of the Society of St. Pius X …More
It is interesting that the Society of St. Pius X was brought into the discussion by the posters when you never mentioned the society in your homily. There will be much discussion by moral theologians in the years to come about the morally of the acts of the Society of St. Pius X and the parishners who attend their chapels in light of an ecumenical council that has not been properly implemented in 45 years.
Pax et Bonum!
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All I can say is WOW. If I had known this would be the outset of this posting I would have posted it first.
This is a deep subject we have jumped into. Pius X. All I can say is I am in deep pain that it exists. It should have never happened. And though I would hope I would never make such a decision to consecrate without permission, I cannot judge the person, because I was not in his situation.
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All I can say is WOW. If I had known this would be the outset of this posting I would have posted it first.
This is a deep subject we have jumped into. Pius X. All I can say is I am in deep pain that it exists. It should have never happened. And though I would hope I would never make such a decision to consecrate without permission, I cannot judge the person, because I was not in his situation.
I only wish it never happened, because the PX guys tent to be good guys, and now they have been deeply hurt by politics, and those wounds take forever to heal.
My opinion about PX's status. They are not excommunicated, but they are in an illicit canonical status. (Like a priest who is in disobedience to his bishop. Reccently happened to a friend of mine with my last bishop.)
This means the Masses are valid but they need to be regularized. This is happening, Summorum Pontificum, the Fixing of the Excommunications, and a dialogue over Vatican II. The last is in the present status.
What are we going to get from it, magisterial clarifications on the council. What it meant when it said certain things with difinitive authority. (A good thing.)
As opposed to focusing upon actions in the past by the arch bishop, when we cannot judge his mental state and can only take his words on what it meant. We need to focus on a healing of the rift. They are in the church, as Rome has said it is an internal issue. (Ie they are not outside the church.) WE NEED TO FOCUS ON UNITY. WE NEED TO BRING OUR BROTHER'S INTO FULL UNITY, and this Benedict is doing.
You out there may disagree with his decision, and strongly disagree, but he was following his conscience. He thought there was a crisis in the church, he followed his conscience. And there were people playing games with him in Rome, and I don't want to speak ill of the dead. So objectively right or wrong, the arch-bishop was trying to do what he thought necessary and we should leave it up the Mercy of God who alone can judge hearts.
We need to open our arms to PX, because we catholics in full union have more in common with them than we do the liberals.
You have to admit this is a great subject, but we can only go so far, without God's knowledge or some kind of direct revelation we should let our very pastoral 'german Shephard' handle it.
This is a deep subject we have jumped into. Pius X. All I can say is I am in deep pain that it exists. It should have never happened. And though I would hope I would never make such a decision to consecrate without permission, I cannot judge the person, because I was not in his situation.
I only wish it never happened, because the PX guys tent to be good guys, and now they have been deeply hurt by politics, and those wounds take forever to heal.
My opinion about PX's status. They are not excommunicated, but they are in an illicit canonical status. (Like a priest who is in disobedience to his bishop. Reccently happened to a friend of mine with my last bishop.)
This means the Masses are valid but they need to be regularized. This is happening, Summorum Pontificum, the Fixing of the Excommunications, and a dialogue over Vatican II. The last is in the present status.
What are we going to get from it, magisterial clarifications on the council. What it meant when it said certain things with difinitive authority. (A good thing.)
As opposed to focusing upon actions in the past by the arch bishop, when we cannot judge his mental state and can only take his words on what it meant. We need to focus on a healing of the rift. They are in the church, as Rome has said it is an internal issue. (Ie they are not outside the church.) WE NEED TO FOCUS ON UNITY. WE NEED TO BRING OUR BROTHER'S INTO FULL UNITY, and this Benedict is doing.
You out there may disagree with his decision, and strongly disagree, but he was following his conscience. He thought there was a crisis in the church, he followed his conscience. And there were people playing games with him in Rome, and I don't want to speak ill of the dead. So objectively right or wrong, the arch-bishop was trying to do what he thought necessary and we should leave it up the Mercy of God who alone can judge hearts.
We need to open our arms to PX, because we catholics in full union have more in common with them than we do the liberals.
You have to admit this is a great subject, but we can only go so far, without God's knowledge or some kind of direct revelation we should let our very pastoral 'german Shephard' handle it.
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Elisha/Holyrope/Kfarley, Miss Maria: Remember my brothers and sisters. We are all one, in our Love for the Church. We are all, on the same journey, and we love, our Church, and our Lord, with all our hearts. We will have divisions, and trials, and debates, and I might challenge your faith. And I might be pig headed, and stubborn, and pig headed, twice. But I deeply appreciate, all of you. And brothers …More
Elisha/Holyrope/Kfarley, Miss Maria: Remember my brothers and sisters. We are all one, in our Love for the Church. We are all, on the same journey, and we love, our Church, and our Lord, with all our hearts. We will have divisions, and trials, and debates, and I might challenge your faith. And I might be pig headed, and stubborn, and pig headed, twice. But I deeply appreciate, all of you. And brothers and sisters. Remember. Our Savior came, to save the world, not condemn it. Lets give our Lord a big hand clap!!!!!!!!! 
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Elisha: Brother, Papal, Authority, is one thing I see, in scripture. Infallebility, is only possible, brother when the Pope, is ruling with all the Bishops together. And I don't know if that is the case with an excommunication. In scripture, we have St. Paul, correcting St. Peter, and many have said, that proves, St. Peter was not the head of the Church. That is a different, subject. But Papal, …More
Elisha: Brother, Papal, Authority, is one thing I see, in scripture. Infallebility, is only possible, brother when the Pope, is ruling with all the Bishops together. And I don't know if that is the case with an excommunication. In scripture, we have St. Paul, correcting St. Peter, and many have said, that proves, St. Peter was not the head of the Church. That is a different, subject. But Papal, Infallebility, as you have stated below, as far as I have been, told, happens, hardly ever, within the Church. It only happens, when God summons, the entire Church, to make a ruling that is infalleable. So if Pope John Paul, excommunicates a priest, and Pope Benedict reinstates him, then we must not be talking infalleability. What I said, by the Vicar of Christ, being led by the Holy Spirit, I was speaking in terms of dreams....obviously, from the Holy Spirit. But that was not what I was referring to. What I was making an attempt to say, was much more philisophical, than actual scripture. I was making an attempt, a poorly, structured one, that showed, just as our Popes, have made changes, concerning, excommunications.....in the case of SSPX....they very likely, could be being used in a bigger picture by the Lord......and the fact, that Pope John Paul, excommunicated one of them, was not an infalleable, decision.....because the Church, can lift excommunications...so I don't know how you are using infallebility here. You have been, Catholic much longer than me, but I my brother...have been, on the street much longer than you.....my wisdom, comes from emmense suffering, and purifying.....which, is a Wisdom that is not found, by studying scripture. I know the Lord well. He has appeared to me.....when I was toast in Vegas, years ago.....we have always, been very close.....
In Jesus and Mary
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woody437 I am not saying that you are wrong in what Rome says about the Luminous Mysteries-my point was since SSPX has alot of issues with Rome, SSPX may state to their members NOT TO EVEN CONSIDER saying the Luminous Mysteries. I realize that WE within the Catholic Church are not required to say them. That was my whole point.
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Remember this bit of advice: It is much easier to make changes in the Church from within, rather than placing yourself outside the Church. Nobody is going to hear you in the Church if you are jumping around in the cold. You stay with the task and work with the people in the Church. If you do anything other than this you are totally ineffective. If I do not work at a company do you think they'll take …More
Remember this bit of advice: It is much easier to make changes in the Church from within, rather than placing yourself outside the Church. Nobody is going to hear you in the Church if you are jumping around in the cold. You stay with the task and work with the people in the Church. If you do anything other than this you are totally ineffective. If I do not work at a company do you think they'll take my ideas into consideration in their board meetings?
If you give up holyrope1 then you are letting them win. If I fealt as strongly as you do about the Latin Mass-there would be a Latin Mass in Rochester, MN! If you think that these Priests are not doing their Holy duties it is up to you to do more work-it is your cross to bear. By leaving the Church-you throw down your cross and fail in your mission.
I FORGOT TO ADD, AREN'T THEY BEING DISOBEDIENT TO THE POPE? YOU BET THEY ARE! I HAVE HAD NEWLY ORDAINED PRIESTS TELL ME THAT WANT TO OFFER THE LATIN MASS AND THEIR PASTORS REFUSE, AND IF THEY KEEP EXPRESSING THIS GREAT DESIRE THEY HAVE, THE PASTOR WILL DO EVERYTHING IN HIS LIBERAL POWER TO HAVE HIM MOVED ELSEWHER. THEY AR BEING PERSECUTED BY THESE DISOBEDIENT PASTORS AND EVEN BISHOPS WHO SAY AND DO …More
I FORGOT TO ADD, AREN'T THEY BEING DISOBEDIENT TO THE POPE? YOU BET THEY ARE! I HAVE HAD NEWLY ORDAINED PRIESTS TELL ME THAT WANT TO OFFER THE LATIN MASS AND THEIR PASTORS REFUSE, AND IF THEY KEEP EXPRESSING THIS GREAT DESIRE THEY HAVE, THE PASTOR WILL DO EVERYTHING IN HIS LIBERAL POWER TO HAVE HIM MOVED ELSEWHER. THEY AR BEING PERSECUTED BY THESE DISOBEDIENT PASTORS AND EVEN BISHOPS WHO SAY AND DO NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE HOLY FATHER HAS COMMANDED THEM TO DO.
kfarley, for the past 5 yrs I have fought to have the latin Mass in the churches. This is the response we get:
Pastor of St Frances of Assisi,, when asked if we could have a Latin Mass, stated, "I will retire before anyone has a Latin Mass in MY church."
Pastor of St. Francis de Sales: "NO Latin Mass, we don't know it and we don't want it!"
Pastor of ---------church.. "No, we cannot have that in …More
kfarley, for the past 5 yrs I have fought to have the latin Mass in the churches. This is the response we get:
Pastor of St Frances of Assisi,, when asked if we could have a Latin Mass, stated, "I will retire before anyone has a Latin Mass in MY church."
Pastor of St. Francis de Sales: "NO Latin Mass, we don't know it and we don't want it!"
Pastor of ---------church.. "No, we cannot have that in this church."
Another says, when I reminded him that the HOLY FATHER wants the Latin Mass in ALL Churches especially so the youth can become familiarized with it. Priest responds, "What they do in Rome, they do in Rome, this is America, and we do things different here."
So you see I have given you only a milimeter of my and others who have tried over and over to get the This Holy Mass implemented. But I know that It will be back as the ONLY MASS that will be said in our Churches. As has been for centuries, as it brought forth fruitful vocations and saints!
Pastor of St Frances of Assisi,, when asked if we could have a Latin Mass, stated, "I will retire before anyone has a Latin Mass in MY church."
Pastor of St. Francis de Sales: "NO Latin Mass, we don't know it and we don't want it!"
Pastor of ---------church.. "No, we cannot have that in this church."
Another says, when I reminded him that the HOLY FATHER wants the Latin Mass in ALL Churches especially so the youth can become familiarized with it. Priest responds, "What they do in Rome, they do in Rome, this is America, and we do things different here."
So you see I have given you only a milimeter of my and others who have tried over and over to get the This Holy Mass implemented. But I know that It will be back as the ONLY MASS that will be said in our Churches. As has been for centuries, as it brought forth fruitful vocations and saints!
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Holyrope: I am an evangelist....and I dread, the world we live in....and I dread, a weakened watered down Church, where my own, Father Flores, won't let me, lay prostrate in the aisle, when the Lord, is brought down, from Heaven, and offered, as a final Sacrafice for our Sins.....I have a very clear revelation of how, amazing that is....and it greatly saddens me, our Church has been weakened so much …More
Holyrope: I am an evangelist....and I dread, the world we live in....and I dread, a weakened watered down Church, where my own, Father Flores, won't let me, lay prostrate in the aisle, when the Lord, is brought down, from Heaven, and offered, as a final Sacrafice for our Sins.....I have a very clear revelation of how, amazing that is....and it greatly saddens me, our Church has been weakened so much......I don't know much about the Church, but I know, what the Holy Mass.....stands for....and I learn, way more from St. Pius V, about being a Saint, then anyone, else I have teaching me, in our Church....although, like you, I do like, CathPresbyter.....
Pray for me.
Pray for me.
I have not tried promoting the Latin Mass-I told you that. I also said I'm not against having a Latin Mass but to me I like english just fine and am solely concerned with the Eucharist. Why don't you work within the Catholic Church for the Latin Mass instead of staying apart from it and complaining. Light a candle and quit cursing the darkness!
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Kfarley?/Elisha: Why should I bother evangelzing anymore.....the Church, is being crushed, in areas, in Europe, the Traditional Mass, is becoming overwhelmingly popular. In parts of our Country, 50-60 churches, in one of our states, Ohio, I believe, have closed. And there is only one Church, in that whole area, carrying, the True Gospel, to the brethren....and guess what it is.....SSPX!!!! Maybe …More
Kfarley?/Elisha: Why should I bother evangelzing anymore.....the Church, is being crushed, in areas, in Europe, the Traditional Mass, is becoming overwhelmingly popular. In parts of our Country, 50-60 churches, in one of our states, Ohio, I believe, have closed. And there is only one Church, in that whole area, carrying, the True Gospel, to the brethren....and guess what it is.....SSPX!!!! Maybe thats how I will leave this debate....50 Churches, in one area of Ohio, close....and only one, Church, is whethering the storm.....and its a SSPX.....go and tell that, to your Holy 74 year old Priest Kevin, and then, see what he has to say.......
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