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Cardinal Raymond Burke on Abortion, Extraordinary Form, Communion in the Hand, Pro Multis. Interview taken in the Apostolic Signature in RomeMore
Cardinal Raymond Burke on Abortion, Extraordinary Form, Communion in the Hand, Pro Multis.
Interview taken in the Apostolic Signature in Rome
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@rhemes said:
"Invalid and Not a Sacrifice should not be on the list" (re: New Mass)

yes Rhemes, "it should Not be on the list"....but sadly it IS! Did you see the interview with Francis Cardinal Arinze when he said "Today one would have to question whether some of the New Masses is valid." And I have heard this said by numerous priests, Believe me. This is not saying all New Masses are invalid. …More
@rhemes said:

"Invalid and Not a Sacrifice should not be on the list" (re: New Mass)


yes Rhemes, "it should Not be on the list"....but sadly it IS! Did you see the interview with Francis Cardinal Arinze when he said "Today one would have to question whether some of the New Masses is valid." And I have heard this said by numerous priests, Believe me. This is not saying all New Masses are invalid.

"I suspect someone out there will be anxious to argue that. If you choose to do that; Please bring forth the Roman document that states the Mass is not a Sacrifice."

I think your question rather should be: "What constitutes for a Valid Mass, per what Rome has said." Three things:

1... FORM..."In reference to the sacraments, their form is the Sacramental sign or the words that specify the function of the Matter and Confer on it the power of sanctifying." (Fr. John Hardon's Catholic Disctionary)

This is when the priest says the words of institution of the Eucharist, pronounced at Mass, by which is accomplished the very sacrifice that Christ instituted at the Last Supper. The formula of consecration is uniform.

Now, let me say here, that not only myself but many others who are aware of the words of the Consecration that are SUPPOSE to be said by the priest offering the Mass, have NOT always been in accordance to what is Required to make that Mass Valid.

2. Matter... Material elements that are necessary for the reception of a sacrament. Valid Matter MUST be used and is Necessary for a VALID sacrament. (Fr. John Hardon's Catholic Dictionary)

Holy Mother Church has always prescribed that the MATTER to which communion hosts are to be made (ingredients) is Whole Wheat Flour and Water...That's It!

Here, I could write a book on this subject, but I will just give a couple of my own experiences and even one from a diocesan priest here who told me of his own experience, and Rhemes, he is not the only priest who has told me things quite similar, if not, more outrageous than the last. Which I'm sure some priests who post here could attest to!
About 5 yrs ago, the Sisters of St. Joseph put out a recipe book for a fund raiser. Sr. Theota (not real name) would try to sell me one of these books several times as I was leaving the Church. Well, I finally gave in, (even though I had tons of recipe books), one day while looking up a certain recipe, I came across a recipe titled "ALTAR BREAD". Ingredients: wheat flour, water, MARGARINE, and BAKING POWDER and SALT!
Now this was a recipe belonging to a Sister of St. Joseph,...I thought to myself, what is this all about??? as I knew what was needed for VALID Matter.
So, to cut to the chase, I had to go through several channels just to get to speak to this nun, who, was older. I asked her if this was her recipe, she acknowledged it was. I asked her what she uses this recipe for? Her response, "Well, for Mass!" Trying to contain my composure (which for an Italian can be hard sometimes), I then said to her, "Sister, surely you know what ingredients Rome has set down which constitutes what ingredients are to be used for it to be Valid, don't you? she said, "What is it?" I knew she was testing me..so I read to her the document with the ingredients so stated. Then I again proceeded to say to her, "You Know this don't you, sister?" she said "YES." I said to her, "Then WHY IN HEAVEN's NAME ARE YOU USING INVALID MATTER..YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING UP TO RECEIVE COMMUNION ARE NOT RECEIVING OUR LORD!" Total Silence on the other end! then she said, "Well, Father gave us permission to make them this way." I told her not only Father, but she, herself, will have to answer for what they are doing, and that I WILL REPORT IT! Then, she said, "I'm sorry."

Now, regarding the other priest I mentioned, let's just say he had the same experience...he gives communion to those in hospitals and nursing homes. And in one Nursing home, he said, that another order of nuns would be Adamant that he use ONLY the hosts they made. He told them, he brought his own and intended to use them, he said, they weren't happy!..later, he found out that Indeed they were using Margarine! .....Valid? Absolutely NOT!

3. INTENTION:
In the administration of a sacrament, the purpose or will of the one administering to do what the Church desires and convey to the recipient the grace of the sacrament; the habitual or virtual willing to do a thing as it is MEANT TO BE DONE. The purpose or end for which a religious act is performed, e.g., the intention of the celebrant at Mass.

This one,.....have I questioned the intention of a priest to consecrate, or his will and desire to do so? honestly and with deep regret, I have to answer yes. But, I will leave this one to God.
And remember, if just "one" of these three things are missing as stated above, the Mass is NOT valid!

Now,...do I believe all New Masses are invalid? No

Would I prefer to attend a traditional Latin Mass? you bet!

Just the facts stated above is plenty reason for me to want to attend the traditional Mass exclusively! And, do I need to mention having to witness our Lord in the Eucharist falling to the ground while lay distributors are giving out Communion? and then, not to even CLEAN THE AREA IN WHICH HE WAS DROPPED!


Rhemes, after attending the New Mass and also learning the Rubrics of the Mass, I came to learn that the abuses at MOST New Masses are sadly pathetic and a disgrace to God. I used to walk out of Church crying because of what I witnessed so frequently. I would go around from church to church seeking some tradition, some holiness, some kind of reverence and could find none. Then, I truly believe that at a time I was to know, someone had told me of a Latin Mass some miles away. I couldn't believe what I had heard, and I can't tell you how anxious I was to go there. After Years, and I DO mean Years of priests trying to refuse me and my family communion because we were on my knees and or because we wished to receive on the tongue, (to mention just a few) this for me was such a relief! So, from the first day I walked into Church for the traditional Mass, and saw the priest and MALE altar servers come walking out into the sancturary and begining the prayers at the foot of the altar, I KNEW I WAS HOME! And Thanks Be To GOD for this Beautiful, Holy, and Reverent Mass...The Mass that truly gives Him the Highest Amount of Glory, Respect, and Reverence! ✍️ Peace