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Book review: Setting the Table

Book review: Setting the Table
Preparing Catholic Parishes to Welcome Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People and Their Families

This review appeared in Catholic Family News in November 2011
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Schexnayder Upholds "Gay" Mythology -- James Schexnayder, aka Reverend James Schexnayder, is a 70ish homosexual retired priest/"gay" activist in good standing with the Diocese of Oakland, California, under at least three consecutive bishops, John S. Cummins, Allen H. Vigneron, and the current bishop, Salvatore J. Cordileone.

When it comes to promoting the ideology of the Homosexual Collective, the author unabashedly adheres to the strict party line:

"Gay" is good, if not better.

"Gays" are born that way.

Coming out is good.

All public discourse on homosexuality must be framed in terms of social justice and civil rights, not morality and sexual deviancy.

The Catholic Church needs to listen and learn from the "lived experience" of sexual deviants of all persuasions.

Biblical scholars were unaware of the existence of the homosexual "person."

I could go on and on, but that would be gilding Oscar Wilde's lily.

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Temperance
Hi ACL. Yes I guess we disagree on this issue. But I do not reject any teaching the church officially proclaims. God Bless you this holy week!
ACLumsden
Sorry Aaron, your view on the Will of God is quite human, nothing like unto the God described by Holy Mother Church, or the Fathers. I offered to you the Doctor of Doctors, St Thomas Aquinas, and you rejected him, if I were to offer to you the great Augustine of Hippo, or even our Holy Father in his exegesis on the Pentateuch, I am convinced you would also reject him. Therefore, let us agree to … 더보기
Fidelium
Aaron....tis the truth you speak.
Temperance
Hi ACLumsden. Glad we agreed on the more important things.

About Aquinas he does speak of the different evils you are right. Thomas is a great Saint and a Doctor of the Church, but it has been proven that he was wrong on some issues even. However, I don't think he would agree that God "'gives nature permission'" in the context you have given. The way your stating this, it sounds like "nature" … 더보기
ACLumsden
Hi Aaron . We agree that the gay agrenda is evil; we agree that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered for their sin. However, I am here to tell you, that we are not in agreement, regarding the way you think God was involved in their punishment - see St Thomas Aquinas on the problem of evil- Summa Theologiae: I, Q. xlviii, a. 5, 6; Q. lxiii, a. 9; De Malo, I, 4.

Here Aquinas discribes the three… 더보기
holyrope 3
Don't rain on their parade! Like their Folsom Street Parade!

Aaron & HC

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Temperance
Hi ACLumsden. I read your post and understand where you are coming from. But I have to say you have a modernist view on this particular Bible book. I would have to respectfully disagree with your views. I do believe maybe it could happen as you put it, but I actually think and I would have to say most traditional Theologians would also that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra by how the … 더보기
Holy Cannoli
If it were up to the “Soft on Sodomy” crowd they would prefer that the world believed that the sin of Sodomy was inhospitablity. Nothing could be further from the truth but the truth is not important to homo promo activists. For them, it's about pushing their agenda.

Throughout History, Jewish and Christian scholars of all persuasions have recognized that one of the chief sins that provoked God’… 더보기
ACLumsden
Hey Greg! Hi! Indeed that man, indeed. If it were up to rhemes and his lot, we would all still be believing that the Earth is flat and that the Universe orbits the Earth! Not to worry that man, each to his own.
Holy Cannoli
In the New Testament, Christ refers to the destruction of Sodom "in the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28, 29), and St. Peter (2 Peter 2:6-8) speaks of the deliverance of the "just Lot". The fate of Lot's wife is referred to in Wis., x, 7; Luke 17:32. According to Jewish and Christian tradition, the pillar of salt into which she was converted was preserved for some time (Josephus, "Antiq.", I, xi, … 더보기
Holy Cannoli
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

For the unnatural sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrha, Adama, and Seboin were destroyed by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven" (Genesis 13:13; 18:20; 19:… 더보기
ACLumsden
Hi Aaron  : In answer to your question, I have two points to share:
1. Take the Creation Myths for example. These appear in the book of Genesis Ch.1 and 2. Two completely different accounts of the Creation. Now, broaden ones view to encompass the whole Fertile Crescent. The Babylonians, Asyrians and Egyptians also had Creation Myths.

The Babylonian in particular is interesting for us.… 더보기
Holy Cannoli
God created life He can take it away, can't He?

He can and he absolutely does.
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It is true, when one offends us unjustly, God does not will his sin, nor does he concur in the sinner’s bad will; but God does, in a general way, concur in the material action by which such a one strikes us, robs us or does us an injury, so that God certainly wills the offense we suff… 더보기
Temperance
Hi ACLumsden. Interesting outlook on the whole destruction of the two cities. I enjoyed your comments on St Anselm, St Thomas St Aquinas, & St Augustine. I guess that could happen.

I would argue though that God can kill who ever He wants. If you think about it God created man and told him he couldn't kill but never said that about Himself. God created life He can take it away, can't He?

Not … 더보기
ACLumsden
Hey Aaron . That sin has its consequences is a direct function of the Fall. This Fall, you would agree, was on account of man choosing to disobey God's Will. If men choose evil, the consequences are dire. But who inflicts these consequences?

In the case of Sodom etc, present archeological evidence points to the following:

1. That there is a rather large deposit of natural hyrocarbon… 더보기
Temperance
holyrope always great to see you!

Great link! I live next to one of those churches!
Temperance
I agree with you that reading the Scriptures one must have proper hermeneutics, I am actually getting my Bachelors of Science this may in Religion.

Never read the Bible in Hebrew though, but I do study it in Greek from time to time.

But with the issue at hand my whole idea is that for those cities to have been destroyed God would have wanted it or willed it. So in essence God did destroy them. … 더보기
ACLumsden
Did you read those passages in ancient Hebrew? Did you read any biblical concordance and Lexicon? Or did you just go by what there is in English?

If you did only go by the English without commentary and Lexicon, then I can understand whence comes your view. On the other hand, if you did read the Hebrew, with a good Lexicon and with benefit of a biblical scholar present, then you could not have … 더보기
Temperance
Hi ACLumsden. I looked up the Scriptures and they stated this--

Genesis 13:10
10 Lot looked around and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan toward Zoar was well watered, like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt. (This was before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.)

Genesis 19:24
24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD … 더보기
ACLumsden
LOL! Oh quite... but God did not give any order; the priests interpreted by means of the Law, what God's will was. This we believe to be true. But God did not issue forth an edict to kill anyone.
Temperance
ACLumsden Lol, Lighten up! I know God didn't kill them in the Old Testament, God sent his angels to do so. It was their choice to live in those cities and commit the sins of Sodomy and sexual perversion. But if you wish to get technical God did kill them because he gave the order for the cities (Sodom & Gomorra) to be destroyed.
Lol, my last post was joking. The climate we live in everyone is offended by this subject. The truth Homosexual behavior is a terrible evil.
ACLumsden
"Biblical scholars were unaware of the existence of the homosexual person." - a fallacy! (1)

(2) - God does not kill anyone; one is the cause of ones demise due to sin. Tis all about choice.
Temperance
"Biblical scholars were unaware of the existence of the homosexual 'person.'"

Yea, thats because God killed them.