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Francis Attacks Signees of Letter That Proves He Is a Heretic

Pope Francis takes the accusation that he is a heretic [allegedly] “with a sense of humour," he told the Mexican Televisa (May 28).

The accusation of heresy was directed against him by the April letter of over eighty scholars whose pleas and supplications Francis had brushed aside for years.

But now he graciously declared that the letter did not "hurt" him, unlike "hypocrisy and lies."

But then, Francis quickly lost his grace and reviled the signees as “wrong,” “poor people,” and “manipulated”. He avoided confronting their arguments.

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Francis takes the accusation that he is a heretic [allegedly] “with a sense of humour,"... What's the bet he doesn't.. Talk is cheap, especially his talk!
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Francis calls his accusers nobodies. Catholics will ask in ten years: `Pope who?`
Not just a heretic but rather a homoheretic. St Anthony hammer of heretics pray for us.
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hitherto
The Pope knows that he the most powerful man in the world. Why would he listen to these people? I am surprise that he even took the time to read it.
Alex A
He is not the most powerful man in the world. He may or may not believe that to be so, in truth ,CHRIST is the most important man in the world.
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Christ isn't in the world, @Alex A. Have you seen Him preaching lately? Doing miracles? Hanging around? Well, don't feel bad, nobody else has either. If you can post a real-deal selfie with Jesus, you will crash the internet from all the traffic on your facebook profile.

A bunch of people are gonna be very curious how you managed the trick since Jesus has officially left the planet and He …More
Christ isn't in the world, @Alex A. Have you seen Him preaching lately? Doing miracles? Hanging around? Well, don't feel bad, nobody else has either. If you can post a real-deal selfie with Jesus, you will crash the internet from all the traffic on your facebook profile.

A bunch of people are gonna be very curious how you managed the trick since Jesus has officially left the planet and He said so Himself. biblehub.com/kjv/john/14.htm

The Church holds this as irrefutable incontestable fact.. www.usccb.org/…/what-we-believe www.usccb.org/…/prayers-of-the-…

Check the part about "he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead."
Alex A
@Ultraviolet> Oh dear, Oh dear! By now, I bet you regret having posted your most recent comments to me. Do you not receive Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at Communion? Do you not visit the Blessed Sacrament? Is not the Blessed Sacrament in every Tabernacle in every Catholic Church? As for miracles, one's mind goes firstly to Lourdes, but perhaps more importantly, a recognition that Our …More
@Ultraviolet> Oh dear, Oh dear! By now, I bet you regret having posted your most recent comments to me. Do you not receive Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at Communion? Do you not visit the Blessed Sacrament? Is not the Blessed Sacrament in every Tabernacle in every Catholic Church? As for miracles, one's mind goes firstly to Lourdes, but perhaps more importantly, a recognition that Our Savior works through and within man, working miracles in medicine, faith and charity throughout the world. Is this not so? Of cause, we cannot see 'Christ' as a human person that is why He gives himself in the manner mentioned above. He is 'ergo' in the world. p.s. "Come Holy Ghost!"
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@Alex A
"Do you not receive Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at Communion?"

:D I knew you were going to try this line of reasoning. And so?

The Mystical Body Of Christ is present. The Physical Body Of Christ ascended into Heaven. No contradiction there.

That which is of us may be shared -by- us, i.e. us as the sentient composite individual. In fact, this happens every day all over …More
@Alex A
"Do you not receive Christ, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at Communion?"

:D I knew you were going to try this line of reasoning. And so?

The Mystical Body Of Christ is present. The Physical Body Of Christ ascended into Heaven. No contradiction there.

That which is of us may be shared -by- us, i.e. us as the sentient composite individual. In fact, this happens every day all over the world with organ donors and Red Cross Blood Drives.

What we share is -of- us. It may even contain our some aspect of our soul which harkens back to the prohibition in Leviticus 17:14. Yet what we share is not the same as being us in our entirety as a physical person.

Jesus also makes a separation between the two in John 6:51, 54, 56 "he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and . . . abides in me, and I in him"

Notice: He said "eats my flesh and drinks my blood." Those components are -of- Him.

Again, using the entirely prosaic parallel, when we donate our own body and blood, that living tissue literally and materially lives (abides) in the person receiving it. Meanwhile, the conscious, physical person remains separate from it. My blood is circulating through a good many people and the Red Cross loves sending me freebie gift-cards afterwards. Meanwhile the physical conscious person himself (i.e., me) is is currently seated in front of his keyboard.

See how easy that was? :D It gets worse from here. :p There are also several other sources contradicting you.

I've already quoted the passage in John where Jesus explicitly states He was going to leave the world. Later, in Acts 1, that moment of His physical departure is recorded. It's called the Ascension, by the way... where "the most powerful man in the world" physically LEFT the worlden.wikisource.org/…/Acts

Apparently you're going to tip-toe away from Church's corroboration in the Apostle's Creed. No surprises there, since it directly contradicts your opinion

Unfortunately for you, The Church has more to say on the subject in the Catechism. Let's scoot over to Part Two, Section Two, Chapter One, Article Three, Subsection 1323: "At the Last Supper, on the night he was betrayed, our Savior instituted the Eucharistic sacrifice of his Body and Blood. This he did in order to perpetuate the sacrifice of the cross throughout the ages until he should come again, and so to entrust to his beloved Spouse, the Church, a memorial of his death and resurrection: a sacrament of love, a sign of unity, a bond of charity, a Paschal banquet 'in which Christ is consumed, the mind is filled with grace, and a pledge of future glory is given to us.'"

Did you catch that part? "until he should come again." That's because He (the man Himself) has already materially gone and is not here anymore as a physical man.

This point is further reiterated in Subsection 1341 and 1344.

So as things stand now -oh dear, oh dear- your position is directly contradicted by the Gospel of John, the Acts in the New Testament, The Nicene Creed, The Apostles Creed, and no less than three or four separate points in the Catechism Of The Catholic Church.

...and I'm just getting warmed up here. :D

The Church also cites St. Thomas in subsection 1381 "That in this sacrament are the true Body of Christ and his true Blood is something that 'cannot be apprehended by the senses,'.

However, the conscious, sentient, physical man who walked the earth could and was apprehended by the senses. It was so apprehended -by His friends, by His enemies, by believers and unbelievers alike.

That guy ain't here no' mo', sugar.

"As for miracles, one's mind goes firstly to Lourdes,"

Maybe your mind "goes firstly to Lourdes", please don't assume such limitations (intellectual or academic) are universal. Remember what I asked. (here I quote) "Have you seen Him preaching lately? Doing miracles?"

Jesus didn't perform any miracles at Lourdes! :D :D :D He didn't even appear there. Not when He was physically walking the earth and not afterwards.

Vague (safely and deliberately vague) rhetoric about "faith hope and charity" aside, Our Lord does not need to being physically there to inspire such virtues.

"Is this not so?"

No, it isn't and no supernatural Grace is required for an obvious counter-example. It's readily available and sold right now on Amazon... a drone or any other radio-controlled vehicle. A person does not need to be physically "there" to influence and motivate the chassis of, say, a toy plane or a car. We're NOT there, even if we DO influence its direction.

The really expensive models even have their own primitive version of "free will" in the form of a sophisticated onboard auto-piloting software to keep inept pilots from influencing the devices incorrectly.

"Oh dear, Oh dear! By now, I bet you regret having posted your most recent comments to me."

Your "bet" as faulty as your theology. :D Why, oh, why would have any regets? All you've done is provide me ample opportunity to push you around online and make you look silly.
Carmine3
The most powerful man in the world? That would be the Anti Christ surely? What happened to Christ’s teaching that His kingdom is not of this world? The only power is in Christ’s Cross. Like your hero Bergoglio you seem to worship power, a preposterous attitude for any real Christian. At least brush up your biblical knowledge.
Alex A
@Ultraviolet.> So, So, disappointing that you have resorted to what appears to be a vindictive attitude, at the least, being less than charitable. By all means 'ride the crest of superiority" if that helps you to feel better. The problem you have with me is one of you initially skewing the import of my initial blog. "....Christ is the most important man in the world." You knew well enough what I …More
@Ultraviolet.> So, So, disappointing that you have resorted to what appears to be a vindictive attitude, at the least, being less than charitable. By all means 'ride the crest of superiority" if that helps you to feel better. The problem you have with me is one of you initially skewing the import of my initial blog. "....Christ is the most important man in the world." You knew well enough what I meant. That aside, your epistle response does not and cannot detract from the fact that we, at communion, partake of the body and blood of Christ himself. It does not take a Doctor of Theology to understand that Transubstantiation means that the Body and Blood truly exist in reality. So I repeat, ergo, He is in the world. With that, I take my leave from the topic and 'bid you adieu.'
@Alex A You are confusing vindictiveness with contempt.

As in all places, charity is most readily given to those who are humble. The prideful and arrogant deserve everything they get, particularly when they're pleased with themselves, haughty, and... here it comes, wrong. A person has to -earn- the right to be arrogant. One does so by double-checking their facts, their reasoning, their …More
@Alex A You are confusing vindictiveness with contempt.

As in all places, charity is most readily given to those who are humble. The prideful and arrogant deserve everything they get, particularly when they're pleased with themselves, haughty, and... here it comes, wrong. A person has to -earn- the right to be arrogant. One does so by double-checking their facts, their reasoning, their position in general and then hoping they haven't missed anything. If they have, then they need to eat a slice of the same bitter humble-pie they dish out to everyone else.

"You knew well enough what I meant."

Of course I did. :D But remember what I said about humility. When you act like a smarty-pants, then you had better make sure what you -meant- is supported by what you -said-. and that how you said it leaves no gaps for refutation.

"...does not and cannot detract from the fact that we, at communion, partake of the body and blood of Christ himself. "

Something I've never disputed.

See the point in my "epistle" about organ and blood donors. Everyone who receives my body and blood partakes of me as well. But what they receive is not -me- as a sentient individual. I might be present in their bodies, but I -myself- am somewhere else. The Eucharist allows us to partake of Christ. Yet He, Himself, is currently in Heaven.

This is why He instituted the sacrament.... to allow us to partake of Him even when (here it comes again) He, Himself, is no longer materially present among us as an individual.

"So I repeat, ergo, He is in the world. "

Since you're fond of peppering your replies with latin to seem more educated than you actually are, go look up the term "argumentum ad nauseam". It's what you're doing along with, for obvious reasons, blithely ignoring literally every single example I provided to the contrary, including the words of Christ Himself on the subject.

Incidentally, the only "problem" I have with you is your smug attitude isn't backed up by impeccable reasoning. Your pride inspired you to debate a point on theological grounds and you got sliced up by a ruthless opponent.

Welcome to the internet. Next time, pick your fights and your opponent a bit more carefully.
Eucharistic miracles have happened.
Tesa
Is he still reaching out to those "at the margins," "the unimportant".
Alex A
I would have thought by now that 'Francis supporters' would be more circumspect with their utterances of adulation.
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Who is he to judge ("wrong", "poor", "manipulated"?
Alex A
Paraphrasing Francis's words do little dispel the ever increasing numbers of disquiet and confused Catholics around the world. Francis has only himself to blame for this unfortunate state of affairs. One more point to note. Our pope is a master of both 'double speak' and being seen to be reaching out to the so called marginalized.
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