Common mistake even the bishops and President of Poland need to address

May 15, 2017

Common mistake even the bishops amd President in Poland need to address.

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) must go ahead and sign the doctrinal preamble since the real issue is not Vatican Council II I mentioned in a blog post yesterday.1
I mentioned that everything I have to say begins with this passage in blue.
The real issue is : is there an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Is there someone known in the past or present who will be an exception to all needing to be members of the Church in 2017 for salvation? Do we know someone who will be saved outside the visible limits of the Church;without faith and baptism ? Is there known salvation outside the Catholic Church among the Muslims, Jews, Hindus,Protestants,Orthodox Christians, atheists and others? This would be the issue when you, for example, affirm Vatican Council II.
Now reason out.

Even if there were such cases known to God over the last 100 years they would not be an exception to EENS since they would not be visible and known for us human beings.They would not be personally seen and known to human beings.Zero cases of somebody are not exceptions to the dogma EENS said John Martignoni the Catholic apologist who has a program on EWTN TV.If someone is not there he cannot be an exception to anything.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to EENS says Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, Vice Rector and former Dean of Theology, University of St. Anselm, Rome.Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson agrees with him.1

This is a common mistake even the bishops in Poland need to address.The President of Poland could affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Feeneyism,without assuming invisible people are visible. He would be saying all Jews,Muslims and other non Christians need to formally convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II) for salvation.To go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

There would be nothing in Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite).

The old exclusivist ecclesiology was the foundation for all political legislation.It was the theological foundation for Catholic political parties and a Catholic state.Now the old ecclesiology can be affirmed in Poland in harmony with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite), the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( Feeneyite), the Catechism of the Council of Trent( Feeneyite).

The Polish Church and government could interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism then there would be no salvation outside the Church.So there would be no change in 2017 with the ecclesiology of the past.There would be no separation of the State with a Church which interprets traditional doctrine with a rational theology.
Andrzej Duda,the President of Poland must note that Chris Ferrara says there are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says the apologist John Martignoni.
We do not know any one saved with the baptism of desire and blood or invincible ignorance, without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church said the late Mons. Ignacio Barreiro.There are many Catholic priests in Rome who agree with them. What they are saying is common sense and something very obvious.
Yet based upon there being practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Pope Benedict has rejected the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.He continues to use his false theology to support a split between Church and State .

Based on there being practical exceptions to the dogma EENS he has rejected the old ecclesiocentrism of the Church upon which depended the non separation of Church and State.
So all laws in society no more have to have the Social Reign of Christ the King as its centre.Since for Pope Benedict every one does not need to be a member of the Church for salvation.There are known exceptions, practical exceptions to EENS for him.He contradicts Chris Ferrara, John Martignoni and Mons. Ignacio Barreiro.
The Polish President Andrzej Duda and the Polish bishops need to address this passage in blue. It is related to the non separation of Church and State, making Christ the King of all political legislation.

The real issue is : is there an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Is there someone known in the past or present who will be an exception to all needing to be members of the Church in 2017 for salvation? Do we know someone who will be saved outside the visible limits of the Church;without faith and baptism ? Is there known salvation outside the Catholic Church among the Muslims, Jews, Hindus,Protestants,Orthodox Christians, atheists and others? This would be the issue when you, for example, affirm Vatican Council II.

Now reason out.


Even if there were such cases known to God over the last 100 years they would not be an exception to EENS since they would not be visible and known for us human beings.They would not be personally seen and known to human beings.Zero cases of somebody are not exceptions to the dogma EENS said John Martignoni the Catholic apologist who has a program on EWTN TV.If someone is not there he cannot be an exception to anything.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to EENS says Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, Vice Rector and former Dean of Theology, University of St. Anselm, Rome.Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson agrees with him.

So if the Good Thief on the Cross died allegedly without the baptism of water it is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2017. If there is a St.Emerentiana in the past who died without the baptism of water in the Church and is declared a saint, she is not an exception to the dogma EENS in 2017. Since, for there to be an exception to the dogma in the present times(2017,1965 or1949 ) the person would have to be there.The person would have to exist.The person would have to be known by name. A person who does not exist in 2017 cannot be relevant or an exception to the dogma EENS.

If there is a box or apples and there is one orange there then the orange is an exception since it is different but also since it exists there in that box.It had to be there in the box to be an exception.

Similarly a baptism of desire case cannot be an exception or relevant to the dogma since it is an invisible case for us. If someone was saved as such it would only be known to God. A possibility in the past cannot be an exception to the dogma EENS in 2017.This is all basic philosophy.Simple reasoning.Yet the two popes and all their cardinals and bishops will say there are exceptions....The SSPX and FSSP priests will say that St.Emerentiana died without the baptism of water a long time back and she is in Heaven, and she is an exception to the dogma EENS.So every one does not need to be a member of the Church in 2017 is there conclusion.
The entire philosophy and theology in Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is based on this error.Once you are aware that the Church Fathers, at Vatican Council II assumed people who did not exist were exceptions to the dogma EENS you see through Vatican Council II.The Council is full of this philosophical mistake.
So when Cardinal Braz de Avez asks the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate to affirm Vatican Council II it must be kept in mind that he wants them to assume invisible people are relevant and exceptions to the dogma EENS.In this way Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with EENS.
Similarly when Archbishop Guido Pozzo asks the SSPX to sign a doctrinal preamble he interpretsVatican Council II assuming hypothetical and theoretical cases are objective and seen in 2017.So Vatican Council II in this way becomes a rupture with the dogma EENS , as it was interpreted over the centuries.Guido Pozzo would be saying there is known salvation outside the Church even when he does not know and cannot know any one saved as such outside the Church.
So once this false reasoning is noted it should be clear that Vatican Council II can be accepted by assuming invisible cases are just invisible, hypothetical cases are just hypothetical and so they are not exceptions to the old ecclesiology of the Church. In this way Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the past.
So the issue is not Vatican Council II any more. Vatican Council II was never the issue.
So affirm Vatican Council II, avoid the false premise and affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century
So affirm Vatican Council II, avoid the false premise and affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.
So it is important to go back to the blue passage in this report.It is at the centre of what I keep writing so much about. We have found the missing link as to what makes Vatican Council II a rupture with Tradition.What precisely causes the hermeneutic of rupture or continuity with Tradition ? Now we know!!- Lionel Andrades

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