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Gloria.TV – News Briefs 15

'Homosexuality and the Church Crisis'

'Homosexuality and the Church Crisis'

Abstract: Due to clergy sex abuse scandals centered primarily in the Northern hemisphere, the moral authority of the Roman Catholic Church has been subjected to an opportunistic siege by prominent individuals and organizations who see the chance to advance their goals, including the ordination of women and the suspension of the requirement for priestly celibacy.

There is also a strongly defensive element to this strategy. Opponents of the Church know that there is a well-documented and strong correlation between male homosexuality and child sexual abuse, but claim that there is no evidence supporting this connection.

And, of course, those who are currently attacking the Church hope that they can undermine its moral authority to preach on the sinfulness of homosexual behavior and weaken its opposition to ersatz homosexual "marriage."

This paper demonstrates that there is indeed a very strong link between male homosexuality and child sexual abuse. It also shows that there is a similar rate of child sexual abuse among other very large groups of adult males (e.g., Protestant clergy, who are usually married), thus proving that celibacy is not the root of the problem — homosexuality is.

Click Homosexuality and the Church Crisis.
BendedKnee
I am not saying that homosexuals should be ordained. As your link says, a deep-seated impulse towards a grave sin, especially of a sexual nature, is incompatible with the office. I understand that. I accept that. In this manner and in all others I submit to the Church.

I'm asking if the only vocation available to homosexuals is the single, lay life. Could a homosexual become brothers in a … More
Holy Cannoli
BK,

When you write this kind of cr*p it proves you're getting wobbly with respect to ordaining homosexuals.

I say how does a disorder disqualify a man or woman for religious orders, when all brothers and all sisters must be Christlike? How are we to count their disorder against them if they are sanctified and seeking more sanctification?

Take your objections regarding the ordaining of sodomies… More
BendedKnee
I wrote the pervious response in spurts over a good period of time, my way of thinking about the issue shifted as I wrote. I tried to point that out at the end.

My comparison of homosexuals and women was not in their different states, but in the results. Women have a condition in which they have no say, their womanhood, and cannot be priests. Homosexuals have a condition for in which they have … More
BendedKnee
As I said, I totally understand the prohibition of homosexuals from ordination. A deep-seated tendency towards a grave sin would be a massive impediment to the special call and duty of a priest.

However, I do not see how allowing homosexuals to enter a religious order is some sort of an escape clause. The vast majority of men do not seek the priesthood as if it were some prize toy and when … More
BendedKnee
St B,

Now, I am at somewhat of a loss! I have the feeling that I'm not fully grasping your point or that you misunderstood mine.

The Church shouldn't try to accomodate the priesthood to anyone! If something is incompatible with the priesthood, whether it be a trait of 2-3% of the Church or the vast majority, it should be prevented from ordination. As I said, through this talk I have come to a … More
BendedKnee
HC,
We've come much closer in the course of one post, have we not?

All people have the desire to live rightly imprinted upon their heart, and most follow it to varying degrees of success. Obviously sinfulness gets in the way, but I think few people who honestly believe their lifestyle to be wrong continue in it anyway. Then again, this may just be my optimism.

The average sodomite is a self-… More
Holy Cannoli
BK,

Now, the entire handling of homosexuality has been a failure.

Indeed!

In general, I agree with your post.

However, who is able to say with certainty that The average sodomite, often a decent man trying to live right? It would seem that the “average sodomite” today is a self-absorbed hedonist with an ambitions agenda of making homosexuality a norm, an alternative lifestyle, part of the … More
BendedKnee
Holy Cannoli,
I am by no means a "homosexual apologist." If am an apologist of any sort, I am an apologist for the Church and a bad one at that! (I'm sure you'll agree to my last assertion!:P)

Now, the entire handling of homosexuality has been a failure. You either hear those who demonize the condition or those who promote acting upon it, with very few speaking the truth of the matter. The … More
Holy Cannoli
Until the Church can both chastise the sodomite and heal the homosexual, and see the differences between the two, this problem will continue.

I'm afraid that “the Church” has been totally inept in its ability to “chastise the sodomite” or “heal the homosexual.” We see this since “the Church” has failed miserably in its “pastoral” duty to repeatedly advise and warn homosexuals that it is … More
ACLumsden
@BendedKnee - A most Christian and therefore, Roman Catholic point of view. Thank you.
BendedKnee
A-Brennan,
I was not accusing you of being uncompassionate, just trying to point out that your original post could be easily misconstrued as such. Your statement seemed, to me, to make too broad a generalization. In any discussion of this issue we must clearly differentiate between the homosexual, who bears no guilt for his condition, and the sodomite who has given himself over to sin and … More
Temperance
Bendedknee, I do have compassion for Homo's. Love the sinner hate the sin! What did i say that lead you to think otherwise? Don't be so judgmental. I was merely stating facts about Homo behavior and what lead them to their discussing practices. The ones that are not practicing and carrying their cross God bless them! The ones that are practicing are sick. Both though should NEVER be ordained or … More
holyrope 3
St. Catherine of Siena relays words of Our Lord Jesus Christ about the vice against nature, which contaminated part of the clergy in her time. Referring to sacred ministers, He says, "They not only fail from resisting this frailty [of human nature] ... but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid, having dimmed the light of their understanding, they … More
BendedKnee
A-Brennan,
We must have compassion for those of us who struggle with homosexuality or who are deeply homosexual. You're comments, to me, seemed to over-simplify the issue.

The problem in the Church is not homosexuality among priests. I suspect that homosexuals have found a place in the priesthood for centuries, just as they do today. The problem is that men today enter the priesthood using the … More
Temperance
I find the pic above very disturbing! Of course there is a "strong correlation between male homosexuality and child sexual abuse"! Most Homo's were abused in some way and their just acting out the way the were brought up. If they start practicing sodomy, what other twisted and immoral behaviors would they go to other than pedophile behavior! Homo's are sick people and should NEVER be … More