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Wednesday, December 28, 2016

In the Catechism of Pope Pius X there are no exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. the priests are not saying it

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Priests are not saying that there are known cases of the baptism of desire.So there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There were never were and never can be any known exceptions. Instead the priests who are professors have changed the meaning of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is heresy and apostasy. It is also in the secular sense un-ethical and a telling of a lie.
They are knowingly not affirming the faith in public for political reasons.They do not want to lose their career.They do not want to be suspended  in the parish or universityby the Vatican, which is officially maintaining the heresy.
So the priests are not saying that there are no exceptions to the 16th century interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are no exceptions to the dogma even in the Catechism of Pope Pius X. 1..There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II and they will not admit it.2 Similarly in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1995) without the new theology, without assuming invisible cases are visible, there are no exceptions to the  Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X-but the priests are not teaching this.
-Lionel Andrades

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October 10, 2016
The Letter of the Holy Office says that it is not required that a person be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation while the Catechism of Pius X says it is necessary.

Monday, October 10, 2016

I even interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) as being Feeneyite. I use the same reasoning : hypothetical cases are not explicit in the present times. 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-even-interpret-catechism-of-catholic.html

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JUNE 21, 2014

The Grand Secret : Vatican Council II says all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants etc are lost http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/the-grand-secret-vatican-council-ii.html

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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links


REDEMPTORIST PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF NOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.Phttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links
LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE


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Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Catholic Religious contradict most Catholic priests and nuns : Nostra Aetate is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Most Catholic priests and  sisters assume that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to VISIBLE cases and to so they are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Most of them do not realize that these cases are INVISIBLE and so are not exceptions to the defined dogma on exclusive salvation.
Most priests and sisters are using Cushingism which says there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, i.e we can see and meet them in the flesh.If we could not meet them they would not be exceptions.
Most priests and sisters are not using Feeneyism which holds that the baptism of desire exists ( with the baptism of water) and there are NO VISIBLE CASES. So the baptism of desire is irrelevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Most priests and nuns assume, without really thinking about it, that we can name people in 2014 saved with the baptism of desire, or ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) or 'seeds of the Word (AG 11). They not know the name and surname of any such person saved with ' a ray of the Truth' or 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
Here are Catholic religious who are not making this common mistake.For them ' a ray of the Truth'(NA 2) is invisible, implicit, hypothetical and known only to God.
-Lionel Andrades
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links
 
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
 
REDEMPTORIST PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF NOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
 
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
 
BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
 
Catholic religious contradict Bishop Fellay : Nostra Aetate is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/catholic-religious-contradict-bishop.html

Bishop Athanasius Schneider contradicted by Catholic religious http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/bishop-athanasius-schneider.html

Why do you use the words 'visible' and 'invisible' ?: It is because others are using it unknown to them http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/why-do-you-use-words-visible-and.html#links

The box of mangos - 2
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/the-box-of-mangoes-2.html#links

Even if a non Catholic was saved in his religion or by his religion the case is implicit for us: Bishop Fellay uses the right hand column
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/even-if-non-catholic-was-saved-in-his.html#links

Most Catholic priests are using the irrational, right-hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/most-catholic-priests-are-using.html#links
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Friday, June 13, 2014

Most Catholic priests are using the irrational, right-hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II


The International Theological Commission,Vatican is using the irrational column

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Bernard Fellay have used the irrational column http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-and-bishop.html#links

Roman Forum Summer Conference this month will use the right hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/roman-forum-summer-conference-this.html#links

There are Catholic religious and lay persons who use the the left hand side column in the interpretation of magisterial text http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/there-are-catholic-religious-and-lay.html#links

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/magisterium-it-all-depends-on-how-you.html#links
-Lionel Andrades
 
LEFT HAND SIDE COLUMN or RIGHT HAND SIDE COLUMN


All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

implicit                      or explicit for us.

hypothetical              or known in reality.

invisible                     or visible in the flesh.

dejure ( in principle) or defacto ( in fact ).

subjective                  or objective

So one can choose from the left hand side or the right hand side column.

If the right hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general on other religions and Christian communities and churches. There are known exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Cathlic Church. The dead- saved are visible.

If the left hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, nor Tradition on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

Most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values.

So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was never ever an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unless one is using the right hand side column.There were and are no known exceptions.
In 2014 the Padre Pio Prayer groups, the Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities and most of the Diocesan priests, the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noi, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy are using the irrational column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church,Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston 1949,Redemptois Missio, Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura ...-Lionel Andrades

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There are Catholic religious and lay persons who use the the left hand side column in the interpretation of magisterial text


 
 
 There are Catholic religious  and lay persons who use the  the left hand side column in the interpretation of magisterial text.Here are some of them. 
 
 
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson has said that the Society of St.Pius X must know that adherence to Vatican Council II and the Catechism does not put them at odds with Tradition.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-has-said.html#links
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links

REDEMPTORIST PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF NOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/redemptorist-priest-says-vatican.html#links

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
 
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links
 

LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html
 
 
 
 
 
LEFT HAND SIDE COLUMN   -   RIGHT HAND SIDE COLUMN

All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

implicit                       or explicit for us.

hypothetical              or known in reality.

invisible                     or visible in the flesh.

dejure ( in principle) or defacto ( in fact ).

subjective                  or objective                                          

So one can choose from the left hand side or the right hand side column.

If the right hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general on other religions and Christian communities and churches. There are known exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Cathlic Church. The dead- saved are visible.

If the left hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, nor Tradition on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

Most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values.

So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was never ever an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unless one is using the right hand side column.There were and are no known exceptions.


In 2014 the Padre Pio Prayer groups, the Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities and most of the Diocesan priests, the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noi, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy are using the irrational column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston 1949.- Lionel Andrades
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Saturday, September 17, 2011

CATHOLIC PRIESTS CORRECT SEDEVACANTISTS: EXPLICIT BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD

Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus nor Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Catholic priests, most of whom  offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian here in Rome, agree that there is no case known to us of a non Catholic saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary means of salvation (LG 14,AG 7) for all people on earth. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is a correction of the error of the sedevacantists Peter and Michael Dimond on the website Most Holy Family Monastery. They repeatedly imply that the baptism of desire is explicilty known to us and so it contradicts the infallible teachings on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Since for them this would be contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction they reject the baptism of desire of the Council of Trent.

They would also interpret Magisterial texts not with the defacto-dejure analysis but with the irrational defacto-defacto approach.(See the difference! http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/see-difference.html )

Here are Catholic priests affirming Vatican Council II, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and an implicit baptism of desire.

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P

WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome

VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Fr. Davide Carbonaro

Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate

THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor

THERE IS NO DE FACTO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE KNOW OF-Fr. Masimilliano dei Gaspari F. I

EVERYBODY NEEDS THE EUCHARIST TO GO TO HEAVEN - Fr.Marcos Renacia, Augustinian Recollect priest

MONS.IGNACIO BARREIRO CARAMBULA, INTERIM PRESIDENT,HUMAN LIFE INTERNATIONAL,USA SAYS "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html

These blog posts are sent to the Most Holy Family Monastery(mhfm1@aol.com) but there is no reply.
 
-Lionel Andrades


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Wednesday, August 10, 2011

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF


The Latin phrase Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "Outside the Church there is no salvation". The most recent Catholic Catechism interpreted this to mean that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body."-Wikipedia

The Catechism CCC 846 also said all need to enter the Church as through a door. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus!


The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned.-Wikipedia
The Dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence says everyone who is not visibly in the Church is damned.

Here is Cantate Domino from Wikipedia itself.

Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."-Wikipedia, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Emphasis added)
So acording to the dogma every non Catholic needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation.

The dogma says every one needs to enter the Church while Wikipedia suggests the opposite.

Here is another error of the secular media.

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and His Church:

"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 16).-Wikipedia
Wikipedia implies that 'those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church...' can be saved and so they are exceptions to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma.

Here are Catholic priests in Rome who say we do not know any case of someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. So how can it contradict Cantate Domino and the centuries old teaching that every one needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation.
 
WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome

WE DONT KNOW ANYONE IN PARTICULAR SAVED BY THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BY JESUS AND THE CHURCH-Fr. Brian Crawford OSJ

VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Fr. Davide Carbonaro

Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate

THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor

THERE IS NO DE FACTO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE KNOW OF-Fr. Masimilliano dei Gaspari F. I

EVERYBODY NEEDS THE EUCHARIST TO GO TO HEAVEN - Fr.Marcos Renacia, Augustinian Recollect priest

MONS.IGNACIO BARREIRO CARAMBULA, INTERIM PRESIDENT,HUMAN LIFE INTERNATIONAL,USA SAYS "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Then Wikipedia suggests that Fr.Leonard Feeney made an error regarding the baptism of desire and blood. 
Father Leonard Feeney (b. Lynn, Massachusetts February 18, 1897 - d. Ayer, Massachusetts January 30, 1978 )[1] was a U.S. Jesuit priest who defended the strict interpretation of the Roman Catholic doctrine, extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside The Church there is no salvation"), arguing that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing and that therefore no non-Catholics will be saved. He fought against what he perceived to be the liberalization of Catholic doctrine.(emphasis added)
The Catholic priests have said that we do not know any case of the baptism of desire so how can it be an exception. So Fr.Leonard Feeney was also saying that there is no case known of the baptism of desire in particular cases so it does not contradict the dogma.

Unless the Church declares someone a martyr or a saint, we cannot say anyone in particular is a martyr; we cannot say that we can meet a person saved as a martyr and so he contradicts the need for everyone to be a visible member of the Church with no exception.

Wikipedia and the secular media continue with this false propaganda.
-Lionel Andrades
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Photo: Fr.Leonard Feeney with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The photo is from the website of the Sisters of St.Benedict Center.
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