Discernment? Francis’s Next Embarrassing Friend

Luca Casarini, a left-wing extremist, is under investigation for aiding and abetting illegal immigration. In the past, Francis wrote two enthusiastic letters to him (“Luca, dear brother”; “you can …Okuninzi
Luca Casarini, a left-wing extremist, is under investigation for aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
In the past, Francis wrote two enthusiastic letters to him (“Luca, dear brother”; “you can always count on me”), received him personally (last time: March 2023), and made him a participant in the S[ex]-Synod.
Casarini heads the NGO Mediterranea which has brought 422 illegal immigrants to Italy. For this scope, he secretly received more than €2M (€4,900/immigrant) from the Vatican and Italian bishops who did this to flatter Francis.
He took €6K/month for himself to pay his private rent and the separation from his wife.
Among the prelates implicated in the affair are Bergoglio, Zuppi (Bologna), Lorefice (Palermo), Czerny (Vatican), Battaglia (Naples), Castellucci (Modena) and Hollerich (Luxembourg).
On November 30, LaVerita.info published embarrassing chats (2019-2021) found by the police on Casarini's mobile phone:
• Casarini calls the “Bergoglian bishops” who finance him “a**holes”…Okuninzi
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La verita' viene sempre a galla. The truth will always come to surface.
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Christmas Campaign: A Big Thorn Full of Light and Hope

You, our donors, users and posters, are the life and soul of Gloria.tv. Thanks to the support and to the personal contributions of people like you, Gloria.tv is florishing in over a dozen languages and …Okuninzi
You, our donors, users and posters, are the life and soul of Gloria.tv. Thanks to the support and to the personal contributions of people like you, Gloria.tv is florishing in over a dozen languages and many countries, including Eastern Europe (Poland, Slovakia).
In 2023, Gloria.tv continued to evolve technically, expanding its networking capabilities, sharing and streaming more and more content. All this is possible only with God's help and thanks to your cooperation. You are an essential part of our common mega project.
It is undeniable that Gloria.tv is a thorn in the side of those Church authorities who betray the Gospel e.g. with their manipulated synods and other schemes. But Gloria.tv is much more than that. It is a light of hope in the hearts of simple Christians who thirst for the unwatered wine of the Gospel.
If you can, please help Gloria.tv with your Christmas donation so that we can reach many, many people in 2024.
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Ten years of abuse of power because Bergoglio is not Pope. Woe to his accomplices who have passively or actively collaborated in Bergoglio's rebellion …Okuninzi
Ten years of abuse of power because Bergoglio is not Pope. Woe to his accomplices who have passively or actively collaborated in Bergoglio's rebellion against God and against the immutable teachings of the Church!
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where also are the beast and the false prophet; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10
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No one mocks God with impunity. The time will soon come when Bergoglio pays for betraying God and the Church.
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I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings Some Older Songs. By Fr. Gordon J. MacRae

(The author is currently incarcerated after he was falsely accused of abuse. His website can be accessed here) The Covid pandemic nearly ended this blog by a priest in prison. From under its wreckage …Okuninzi
(The author is currently incarcerated after he was falsely accused of abuse. His website can be accessed here)
The Covid pandemic nearly ended this blog by a priest in prison. From under its wreckage came something new, but catching up and keeping up is a steep uphill climb.
November 29, 2023 by Fr Gordon MacRae

I will always be grateful to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights for seeing past the myths and agendas about the sexual abuse crisis in the Church. They got to the truth, and boldly exposed it in Bill Donohue’s recent book, The Truth about Clergy Sexual Abuse.
If you are not a member of the Catholic League, please consider joining. It has done much to support the religious liberty of Catholics and has defended the reputations of Catholic priests falsely accused, including mine.
Most of our readers know that this blog began in the summer of 2009 as These Stone Walls. I had been invited by Bill Donohue to submit an article for the monthly Catholic League journal, …Okuninzi
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De beschuldigingen van misbruik komen uit de organisatie van de kerk zelf. Het doel daarvan is de seksuele moraal van het Rooms Katholieke geloof te …Okuninzi
De beschuldigingen van misbruik komen uit de organisatie van de kerk zelf. Het doel daarvan is de seksuele moraal van het Rooms Katholieke geloof te veranderen. Veel homoseksuele priesters, bisschoppen, kardinalen en paus Franciscus, die niet meer in God geloven, maken zich hier schuldige aan.

Schneider: Francis' Magisterium Opposes Magisterium of the Church

Under Francis there have been "several acts" that don't conform to the teaching of the Church's Magisterium "and this is a crisis," Bishop Schneider told CatholicHerald.co.uk (December 1). He mentions …Okuninzi
Under Francis there have been "several acts" that don't conform to the teaching of the Church's Magisterium "and this is a crisis," Bishop Schneider told CatholicHerald.co.uk (December 1).
He mentions Francis’ Abu Dhabi document, which wrongly claims that God positively wills non-Christian religions.
Francis is relativising moral teaching by adapting it to the immorality of the world so that the Church would become just another of the many organisations of this world.
Schneider noted that the supernatural atmosphere and beauty of the Roman Mass attracts young people, so that all over the world the Mass is packed with young families and children. Traditionis Custodes will not be able to stop the Mass, he predicts.
The removal of Bishop Strickland is for Schneider "a huge, blatant injustice". He explains that Francis wanted to silence Strickland who is a prophetic voice, an "obstacle" and an "unpleasant voice" for many in the Church.
On the other hand, Francis promotes prelates who publicly …Okuninzi
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Francis' Magisterium USURPATION Opposes Magisterium of the Church. The conclusion can only be true if the base premise is the truth. Otherwise Catholics …Okuninzi
Francis' Magisterium USURPATION Opposes Magisterium of the Church. The conclusion can only be true if the base premise is the truth. Otherwise Catholics will continuously be fed with lies...
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Bp. Schneider: "You hear, almost daily, contradictory voices among the bishops. The faithful are scandalized by these contradictions & they are confused …Okuninzi
Bp. Schneider: "You hear, almost daily, contradictory voices among the bishops. The faithful are scandalized by these contradictions & they are confused. They don’t know what the truth is. This confusion & ambiguous language means that people are losing the sense of good & evil."
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Francis: The Latin American Dictator Is on the Rampage Again

Depriving Cardinal Burke of his pension would be a flagrant violation of his rights, writes Luis Badilla on IlSismografo. • Francis’ attempt to punish Burke is an “ugly affair” and an intolerable …Okuninzi
Depriving Cardinal Burke of his pension would be a flagrant violation of his rights, writes Luis Badilla on IlSismografo.
• Francis’ attempt to punish Burke is an “ugly affair” and an intolerable imitation of the way Latin American dictators deal with their opponents.
• To clean up the mess created by the news, Francis pulled a “new spokesman” out of his hat [= the Francis hagiographer Austen Iverigh].
• The People of God must accept in an act of faith what Iverigh says who has no official authority.
• The unmarried Ivereigh resigned as an adviser to Westminster Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor in 2006, after admitting to two affairs: one in 1989 which resulted in an abortion for which he paid half the cost, and a more recent one which resulted in a miscarriage (Specola, November 30).
• This episode in Francis’ tenure is “terribly sad” and “terribly worrying.”
• Badilla fears the worst of the abysses threatening the Church: to be a lawless institution.
Picture: Raymond Burke © Joseph Shaw CC …Okuninzi
GTVisrockin
Austen Iverigh and Jorge Bergoglio suit each other perfectly, both little demons.
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I hope Cardinal Burke, if this does happen to him, doesn't collapse into a ball sobbing "Holy Father!! How could you! I didn't mean to hurt you!!!", …Okuninzi
I hope Cardinal Burke, if this does happen to him, doesn't collapse into a ball sobbing "Holy Father!! How could you! I didn't mean to hurt you!!!", but instead looks Francis in the eye proudly standing his ground faithful to the Roman Rite Latin Mass and all the Catholic belief and tradition and Magisterium he so bravely has defended......rallying other faithful Catholics to likewise stand in defiance to Francis and his agenda.
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Archbishop on the Street (Video)

The bishops of Togo have learned “with pain and indignation” of a recent video showing retired Lomé Archbishop Philippe Kpodzro, 93 (Koaci.com, November 26). Sitting in a wheelchair in the corridor …Okuninzi
The bishops of Togo have learned “with pain and indignation” of a recent video showing retired Lomé Archbishop Philippe Kpodzro, 93 (Koaci.com, November 26).
Sitting in a wheelchair in the corridor of a building alongside his personal belongings, Kpodzro says in the video:
"For some time now I have been warning you that I am in difficulty, and I have no place to stay and nothing to eat. Well today, here I am on the street, the hotel where I was temporarily staying has thrown me out".
Kpodzro left Togo shortly after the February 2020 presidential election, first for Ghana and then for Sweden. He had campaigned for the opposition.
From August 1991 to February 1994, he was president of the Togolese parliament.
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Kerk en Staat, geloof en politiek staan haaks op elkaar. De politiek moet zich niet met het geloof bemoeien en de kerk moet zich niet met politiek …Okuninzi
Kerk en Staat, geloof en politiek staan haaks op elkaar. De politiek moet zich niet met het geloof bemoeien en de kerk moet zich niet met politiek bemoeien. Dit is een ijzeren vuistregel. Omdat de Politiek, socialisten en communisten, zich met de Kerk bemoeien zit de Rooms Katholieke kerk nu in de zwaarste crisis van haar bestaan. Nadat de politici uit het Vaticaan gegooid zijn, zal het nog 100 jaar duren voordat de Rooms Katholieke kerk uit de crisis is.

Benedict Resigned Because He Saw "No Danger For The Church"

Benedict XVI didn't resign in 2013 because of problems in the Church, his secretary Archbishop Gänswein told EWTN.com (November 30). Benedict said several times, “I can go now because there is no danger …Okuninzi
Benedict XVI didn't resign in 2013 because of problems in the Church, his secretary Archbishop Gänswein told EWTN.com (November 30).
Benedict said several times, “I can go now because there is no danger for the Church (sic!). When a wolf comes, the shepherd cannot leave. There is no danger. I can [go].” According to Gänswein, Benedict has never regretted his decision.
Benedict XVI never commented on Francis’ controversial synods of bishops. Gänswein respected his silence and never asked.
When Benedict heard about Francis' Traditionis custodes, he was “very, very sad.” Gänswein told Benedict in 2021 that TC would cause many problems. Benedict replied, “I hope God will help us.”
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As in Novus Ordo danger ?
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“I hope God will help us.” Pope Benedict upon learning that Pope Francis had restricted the Traditional Latin Mass.
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Francis: Israel's Gaza War Is "Terror Against Terror"

Francis had a telephone conversation with Israeli President Herzog in late October. The latter described his perception of the October 7 Hamas attack. Francis replied that it is “forbidden to respond …Okuninzi
Francis had a telephone conversation with Israeli President Herzog in late October. The latter described his perception of the October 7 Hamas attack.
Francis replied that it is “forbidden to respond to terror with terror” (WashingtonPost.com, November 30).
Herzog protested and Francis went on to say that those responsible should be held accountable, not civilians. Herzog's spokesman declined to comment on the “private conversations.”
Picture: © Mazur, CC BY-NC-ND, #newsZkzgmgozgm
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Francis says it's forbidden to respond to terror with terror. For once, I totally agree with him
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Today the Biden administration said it is against the barbaric Israel reprisals against Hamas, and more or less implied "Your on your own, Israel" Took …Okuninzi
Today the Biden administration said it is against the barbaric Israel reprisals against Hamas, and more or less implied "Your on your own, Israel"
Took the USA long enough to figure this out. Go it alone, Israel.
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Quimper: Fraternity of Saint Peter to Be Evicted

The parish of Quimper, Brittany, announced in September that the Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) would be evicted from the central church of Saint-Matthieu. In these times of ecclesiastical ecologism …Okuninzi
The parish of Quimper, Brittany, announced in September that the Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) would be evicted from the central church of Saint-Matthieu.
In these times of ecclesiastical ecologism, its 250 faithful (500 in summer) will have to travel 15km north-west to a less visible church, not served by public transport, on the outskirts of Quimper.
There are only 1,300 believers in Quimper (63,000 inhabitants), including Latin Mass Catholics.
The pretext for the eviction: There will be a Saturday evening Eucharist at Saint-Matthieu's – while the FSSP uses the church every day.
PaixLiturgique.org (November 30) quotes a Catholic who attends Mass and also takes part in the Eucharist, “They don't give a damn about Saint Matthieu's. Once the FSSP is gone, it will go back to the way it was before, which is to say empty and dirty.”
And: “What really annoys the parish of the centre of Quimper is that the Mass attracts young people, of whom there aren't so many anymore.”
#newsIxtmhtcgtt
Naomi Arai
Yet another reason to support the SSPX.
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I notice the distinction between a "Eucharist" and the Mass. Protestants celebrate a Eucharist, Catholics offer the Mass. So, the diocese wants a …Okuninzi
I notice the distinction between a "Eucharist" and the Mass. Protestants celebrate a Eucharist, Catholics offer the Mass. So, the diocese wants a protestant service instead of Holy Mass.
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Europe Welcomes Desecrator of Hosts

The European Court of “Human Rights” (irony alert) has ruled in favour of the desecration of consecrated hosts (LeSalonBeige.fr, November 30). It rejected an action brought by the Asociación de Abogados …Okuninzi
The European Court of “Human Rights” (irony alert) has ruled in favour of the desecration of consecrated hosts (LeSalonBeige.fr, November 30).
It rejected an action brought by the Asociación de Abogados Cristianos, against the Spanish regime, claiming that there was nothing arbitrary in the Spanish judges' decision that the desecration did not constitute a crime.
The plaintiffs had brought a case against Abel Azcona, 35, who posed naked with 242 consecrated hosts in a disused church in Pamplona in 2015. He had picked them up at Novus Ordo Eucharists.
Azcona's performance was supported and financed by the city of Pamplona. The man has a history of mental problems, homosexual prostitution, drug use, petty crime and has been arrested several times for exhibitionism.
Much of Azcona's “work” consists of presenting himself naked and offering homosexual contact to viewers.
Unsurprisingly, the regime celebrates him as an “artist.”
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Liam Ronan
@en.news Can someone please advise what s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c crime was charged under Spanish law?
Vincent Capuano
In the old days the men of the parish led by the blacksmith and stonemason would have put a whooping on the fellow and the parish priest would have had …Okuninzi
In the old days the men of the parish led by the blacksmith and stonemason would have put a whooping on the fellow and the parish priest would have had to save him from a lynching
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Francis Is Also a Property Manager

IlSismografo (November 30) commented on Francis’ undignified vendetta against Cardinal Burke. • The “salary” that Francis will take away from Cardinal Burke is his pension (€5000-6000 + benefits). …Okuninzi
IlSismografo (November 30) commented on Francis’ undignified vendetta against Cardinal Burke.
• The “salary” that Francis will take away from Cardinal Burke is his pension (€5000-6000 + benefits).
• Francis is a resentful character (Italian: permaloso).
• He accused Burke of being “no-vax” (which wasn't true) and smiled sarcastically when Burke almost died from Covid19.
• Since he was a young seminarian, Francis has responded to perceived enemies “blow by blow”.
• Many of Bergoglio's major problems within the Jesuits stem from several such controversies.
• IlSismografo asks, “Is this conduct a way of evangelising, of spreading the good, of witnessing to mercy and fraternal correction?”
• Francis devotes a great deal of attention to the Holy See's real estate. • Housing assignments within the Vatican has become an obsession for him. • In numerous cases, Francis has personally arranged for former employees – including Gänswein – to be evicted from their homes. • Francis uses “the flat” as …Okuninzi
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Vatican assets are inaccessible to abuse victims because lawyers have been able to argue that dioceses are independent and their heads (the bishops) …Okuninzi
Vatican assets are inaccessible to abuse victims because lawyers have been able to argue that dioceses are independent and their heads (the bishops) are not employees of an international corporation with foreign HQ. Well...
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This third bullet is true and upsetting to me and was even accompanied with comments, I believe.
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"Acute Infectious Bronchitis" Story - Second Edition

Francis told participants at a November 30 health care ethics seminar that he had “very acute infectious bronchitis” and had been advised not to travel to Dubai to avoid the extreme temperature changes. …Okuninzi
Francis told participants at a November 30 health care ethics seminar that he had “very acute infectious bronchitis” and had been advised not to travel to Dubai to avoid the extreme temperature changes.
He quipped, “As you can see, I am alive.” And, “Thank God it wasn't pneumonia. It is a very acute, infectious bronchitis. I no longer have a fever, but am still on antibiotics and so on.”
Despite claiming a “bacterial infection”, he continues to meet with hundreds of people. On Thursday alone, he held nine audiences.
It looks like we haven't heard the whole truth about Francis’ health yet.
Picture: Vatican Media, #newsVdsswqyrac
GTVisrockin
Second Edition 😂 😂 😂 👏
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Nee, natuurlijk niet schijn bedriegt.
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Cardinal Burke Will Remain In Rome

Cardinal Burke told WsJ.com (November 29) that he had not been informed of Francis’ intention to strip him in his old age of his apartment and salary. “People can draw their own conclusions about why …Okuninzi
Cardinal Burke told WsJ.com (November 29) that he had not been informed of Francis’ intention to strip him in his old age of his apartment and salary.
“People can draw their own conclusions about why Francis told this to Austen Ivereigh and not the person concerned”, he said.
Burke intends to remain in Rome even if he is forced to find another place to live, “It’s my duty as a cardinal to remain in Rome.”
Picture: Raymond Burke © Joseph Shaw, CC BY-NC-ND, #newsMqvgnxhphp
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Vatican assets are inaccessible to abuse victims because lawyers have been able to argue that dioceses are independent and their heads (the bishops) …Okuninzi
Vatican assets are inaccessible to abuse victims because lawyers have been able to argue that dioceses are independent and their heads (the bishops) are not employees of an international corporation with foreign HQ. Well...
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Is that Benedict's cat in the background? 😉
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Me encanta esta novela!!! La amoo
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Bart Sibrel wykazuje że AI określa zdjęcia NASA z Księżyca jako fake/ fałszywe Ten dziennikarz śledczy ma nagrania z NASA, jak fałszowali pokaz Ziemi …Okuninzi
Bart Sibrel wykazuje że AI określa zdjęcia NASA z Księżyca jako fake/ fałszywe
Ten dziennikarz śledczy ma nagrania z NASA, jak fałszowali pokaz Ziemi z odległości.
Kiedyś ja sam narysowałem na papierze w skali kulistą Ziemię aby się dowiedzieć z jakiej odległości widać by było że jest kulista.
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500 kilometrów od Ziemi to ciągle jest nos przy Ziemi.
Szkoda tych prób aby balonem się windować na 50 kilometrów aby widzieć zakrzywienie oceanów.