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Fr. Nicholas Gruner and the need to obey the 3rd secret

Lalanz
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Fr. Nicholas Gruner dedicated his entire life to promoting the Fatima 3rd Secret. He basically proofed that Russia was never really consecrated and that the Virgin Mary and her request by the Popes …More
Fr. Nicholas Gruner dedicated his entire life to promoting the Fatima 3rd Secret. He basically proofed that Russia was never really consecrated and that the Virgin Mary and her request by the Popes was never carried out the way she intended it.

Fr. Gruner is no longer alive, but attempted multiple times, basically begging the Vatican to follow the requests of the Virgin Mary.

I believe that the church is in this mess because of the direct errors of Popes not fulfilling what was asked of them..

Please watch these videos before you comment and try and disprove what Fr.Gruner dedicates his entire life to...

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Father Gruner recognized ppbxvi.org way before anyone else. He was an inspired man.
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Alex A
@mattsixteen24 >>Who and why, first declared there is a imposter Sr. Lucia? Where did the so called 'proof off' photographs originate from?
alex j
@Lalanz >>Christ on a number occasions, made reference to the difference between the way man viewed things and the way God viewed things, ergo, it follows that we should be cautious in making dogmatic statements such as ".....not the fake versions......" Lucia herself, informed Pope John Paul that his second consecration was acceptable to Heaven. In her words, " Yes it has been done as Our Lady …More
@Lalanz >>Christ on a number occasions, made reference to the difference between the way man viewed things and the way God viewed things, ergo, it follows that we should be cautious in making dogmatic statements such as ".....not the fake versions......" Lucia herself, informed Pope John Paul that his second consecration was acceptable to Heaven. In her words, " Yes it has been done as Our Lady asked, -Letter of 8 November 1989- She went on to say, " Hence any further discussion or request is without basis." [cite, " Fatima in Lucia's own words".] In respect to Fr. Gruner [ R.I.P.] he died unreconciled with the Church. One last comment, Russia is, by any measure we might apply, one of the most Christianized, countries in the world. ' '
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Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...

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Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...

The comment about Fr. Gruner needs to reconcile with the church? Are you kidding me?

The church and most of it current hierarchy was against Fr. Gruner and is against us...

After all the posts that are posted on Gloria Tv, the current church is clearly against us the church members...
hitherto
We were blessed to have personally met Fr. Gruner. He truly was a holy priest. May he rest in peace. Amen
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I'm not sure which mess is "this" mess, Lalanz. If you mean the ongoing abuse scandal, this mess is a direct outgrowth of Vatican Council II, the promotion of Marxist ideology within The Church and Western society in general, by sympathetic intellectuals both secular and religious.

Sadly, even before the rise of Western socialism, certain Church administrators have had a long standing policy of …More
I'm not sure which mess is "this" mess, Lalanz. If you mean the ongoing abuse scandal, this mess is a direct outgrowth of Vatican Council II, the promotion of Marxist ideology within The Church and Western society in general, by sympathetic intellectuals both secular and religious.

Sadly, even before the rise of Western socialism, certain Church administrators have had a long standing policy of turning a blind eye regarding "minor" (pun intended) moral indiscretions. For centuries they counted on social pressure and shame to silence the victims of rogue priests. Society has changed, their policies have not, and they are reaping a very different sort of chastisement as a result.

For a "secret", it seems everyone already knows about it. :D
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Lalanz
Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...

The comm…More
Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...

The comment about Fr. Gruner needs to reconcile with the church? Are you kidding me?

The church and most of it current hierarchy was against Fr. Gruner and is against us...

After all the posts that are posted on Gloria Tv, the current church is clearly against us the church members...
Alex A
Could it be possible that I might be more informed concerning Fr. Gruner? Might that be just possible??? I really don't want to engage in any responses that might be construed as attacking a person, who for obvious reasons, cannot defend himself. I will simply state that history has shown that OBL kept her word. Consecrate Russia to my Immaculate Heart. This was carried out effectively in 1984 …More
Could it be possible that I might be more informed concerning Fr. Gruner? Might that be just possible??? I really don't want to engage in any responses that might be construed as attacking a person, who for obvious reasons, cannot defend himself. I will simply state that history has shown that OBL kept her word. Consecrate Russia to my Immaculate Heart. This was carried out effectively in 1984 by Pope John Paul 2. In 1989 the Berlin wall was demolished and the collapse of communism sweept across Europe. Of course the tardiness by Rome of carrying out OBL request[s] resulted in Russia/Communism spreading its errors through out the world the effects of which are self evident today. Since the collapse of communism in Russia, we now witness in that country, the highest numbers of practising Christians, albiet adherents of the Russian Orthodox church, [the sacraments of which are recognised by Rome, as are the other Orthodox churches] in Europe. Not once did OBL say to Sr. Lucia, that Russia would convert to Catholicism if her requests were carried out. The above condensed historical facts are just that, facts not assumptions. In conclusion, my comment recarding Fr. Gruners relationship to Holy Mother Church was meant as a sadnest that he died as a suspended priest. For what its worth, I am a Traditional Catholic and a proud Grandfather of nineteen grandchildren all of whom attend a Latin Mass. My wife and lived through the 'madness' what was to be called 'the spirit of Vatican 2'. It was such experiences that opened our eyes to the 'works of the devil'.As my eldest son succintly put it-"The devil works both sides of the street" In deed he does. One manifestation of this truism is the confusion, bitterness, discent, discord and rancour not only in the body church but also in Traditional circles where conspiracys abound and a seige mentality pervades-as noted in your comments. I repeat what i wrote previously, Gods ways are not necessary mans ways.
What a mystery as to why none of the popes since 1929 has done this simple consecration. As a result, we live in a devastated world.
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Lalanz
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I would like to welcome everyone into the spiritual chastisement that is in the Fátima 3rd secret... 2019 we are living in it...pray for mercy and the true consecration of Russia the way the Virgin Mary asked for it to be done, not the fake versions that was performed in the past!!!!
alex j
@Lalanz >>Christ on a number occasions, made reference to the difference between the way man viewed things and the way God viewed things, ergo, it follows that we should be cautious in making dogmatic statements such as ".....not the fake versions......" Lucia herself, informed Pope John Paul that his second consecration was acceptable to Heaven. In her words, " Yes it has been done as Our Lady …More
@Lalanz >>Christ on a number occasions, made reference to the difference between the way man viewed things and the way God viewed things, ergo, it follows that we should be cautious in making dogmatic statements such as ".....not the fake versions......" Lucia herself, informed Pope John Paul that his second consecration was acceptable to Heaven. In her words, " Yes it has been done as Our Lady asked, -Letter of 8 November 1989- She went on to say, " Hence any further discussion or request is without basis." [cite, " Fatima in Lucia's own words".] In respect to Fr. Gruner [ R.I.P.] he died unreconciled with the Church. One last comment, Russia is, by any measure we might apply, one of the most Christianized, countries in the world. ' '
@alex j Christian?? Only Catholics are Christian. There are very few Catholics in Russia. The sister Lucia you believe told JPII that his consecration was acceptable wasn't sister Lucia. The real sister Lucia disappeared and was replaced with a look alike.
sisterlucyimposter.org

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, …More
@alex j Christian?? Only Catholics are Christian. There are very few Catholics in Russia. The sister Lucia you believe told JPII that his consecration was acceptable wasn't sister Lucia. The real sister Lucia disappeared and was replaced with a look alike.
sisterlucyimposter.org

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives...”
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We do not have world peace as promised if the consecration had been done. Look at Guadalupe. When Our Lady converts, she does it swiftly and visibly. The Pope, in union with the bishops of the world, have not consecrated Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart like she asked for. You're in denial if you say otherwise.

www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g12htArt2_TwoSi…
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Lalanz
Thank you...
Alex A
@Child of Our Lady>> So be it. I am in denial, for I have no desire to pen any further comment than my response to Lalanz. A protracted disputation I fear would resolve little of value to either of us.