"Piccarreta "...milk from your breasts..." - Sorry, in case someone is offended by reading this Vatican-approved "revelation."

If anyone has any doubt about the so-called seer Piccarreta here is an example which should let you arrive at the truth.

"Luisa’s diary consists mostly of her conversations with Jesus. It is interesting to note that the words attributed to Jesus seem like dialogue from a romance novel. I’m not a psychiatrist, but much of the dialogue suggests a carnal and romantic relationship."

Sorry, in case someone is offended by reading this Vatican-approved "revelation." I certainly was offended by reading this nonsense. I won't post anything more of Piccarreta and her demonic miserable writings.
Strong and Steadfast
Do you believe in the legitimacy of St. Catherine of Siena? In The Dialogue, she refers to Our Lord's foreskin after circumcision and wearing it as a wedding ring. Talk about bizarre!
Between the two, it seems to me that St. Catherine's is the more offending to our modernist sensibilities. At least nursing is a real thing and has meaning between a mother and her child, and is not considered sexual …More
Do you believe in the legitimacy of St. Catherine of Siena? In The Dialogue, she refers to Our Lord's foreskin after circumcision and wearing it as a wedding ring. Talk about bizarre!

Between the two, it seems to me that St. Catherine's is the more offending to our modernist sensibilities. At least nursing is a real thing and has meaning between a mother and her child, and is not considered sexual by the vast, vast majority of women.

We don't need to go looking for scandal everywhere. Luisa Piccarreta was deemed a "servant of God" by the official functions of the Church. That's enough for me. I'm fine with this. And I'm fine with St. Catherine of Siena.

@Credo . @Live Mike @andrew24157

"I certainly was offended by reading this nonsense." That says more about you than it does about Luisa Piccarreta. I recommend listening to Fr. Ripperger on scandal: Fr Ripperger Various Audio Collection : Fr Ripperger : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive - Good stuff!
andrew24157
Strong and Steadfast How about when Piccarreta is being told that she is "second Mother for Christ". Is she also better than Most Holy Virgin Mary? Was she conceived through Immaculate Conception? Did she ever sin? As to the "milk from your breast" did Piccarreta have a baby at that time or not? You will never convinced me. Anyone being better that all the saints including Virgin Mary is a liar from …More
Strong and Steadfast How about when Piccarreta is being told that she is "second Mother for Christ". Is she also better than Most Holy Virgin Mary? Was she conceived through Immaculate Conception? Did she ever sin? As to the "milk from your breast" did Piccarreta have a baby at that time or not? You will never convinced me. Anyone being better that all the saints including Virgin Mary is a liar from hell. And, maybe you missed it - three of her books were on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, same story as with sister Faustina. Both of them were never recognized by any living saints. Just modernists clergy, giving people infinite Mercy and thus making Our Lord an unjust Judge, and making a little one from the Queen of Heaven and Earth in comparison to these two deceived women.
andrew24157
Strong and Steadfast As to the Saint Catherine of Siena - she is one of my favourite saints. The Dialogue is definitely dictated by the Eternal Father. The text is highly intellectual and powerful. No demon can match it. In addition, St. Catherine could not write or read and yes, she performed some "small" miracles. She was also an adviser to the popes, as you know. I read her Dialogue a couple of …More
Strong and Steadfast As to the Saint Catherine of Siena - she is one of my favourite saints. The Dialogue is definitely dictated by the Eternal Father. The text is highly intellectual and powerful. No demon can match it. In addition, St. Catherine could not write or read and yes, she performed some "small" miracles. She was also an adviser to the popes, as you know. I read her Dialogue a couple of times and did not find anything about her being ambitious number one of all the people. Can't say that about Piccarreta and Faustina, they had no humility. And without humility, all is in vain.
Strong and Steadfast
@andrew24157 Your other post regarding Piccarreta being told she is a "second Mother for Christ" is taken out of context. There are scripture passages saying we need to be "perfect, even as the Heavenly Father is perfect". Are you saying that means we're as perfect as God the Father? Certainly not, but you're applying the context in the same way as that. Why would it matter if Piccarreta had a baby …More
@andrew24157 Your other post regarding Piccarreta being told she is a "second Mother for Christ" is taken out of context. There are scripture passages saying we need to be "perfect, even as the Heavenly Father is perfect". Are you saying that means we're as perfect as God the Father? Certainly not, but you're applying the context in the same way as that. Why would it matter if Piccarreta had a baby at the time? She was never told she was better than the Most Holy Virgin Mary. So your rebuttal is complete nonsense.

St. Catherine of Siena is one of your favorite saints, and yet you seem to have no qualms regarding her desire to use Our Lord's foreskin as a ring, but you get squeamish because Luisa Piccarreta allegedly had Our Lord desire to nurse from her (presumably as His Infant Self). A nursemaid is not higher than the natural mother. I don't know where you get that idea.

I'm just saying lets take things in context and not just say, "Well it SOUNDS bad!! See!! It must be false!!" Which is essentially what this post is.

Regarding this statement: "Can't say that about Piccarreta and Faustina, they had no humility. And without humility, all is in vain." I think the only thing you're showing is your own lack of humility and your willingness to judge not just the actions of others, but the state of virtue in deceased (and even canonized) souls before they died.
andrew24157
Strong and Steadfast To finish this discussion, two things. "St. Catherine of Siena is one of your favourite saints, and yet you seem to have no qualms regarding her desire to use Our Lord's foreskin as a ring..." - prove that it was her desire not the Will of the Lord. Piccarreta wanted to be so close to her "Jesus" that she wanted to be touched by him in a very improper way - God has no desire …More
Strong and Steadfast To finish this discussion, two things. "St. Catherine of Siena is one of your favourite saints, and yet you seem to have no qualms regarding her desire to use Our Lord's foreskin as a ring..." - prove that it was her desire not the Will of the Lord. Piccarreta wanted to be so close to her "Jesus" that she wanted to be touched by him in a very improper way - God has no desire for human sensuality, in fact, He considers this a sin, an original sin. St. Catherine if she received the foreskin ring according to the will of God, did not have a sexual desire to be touched - it was the Will of God she wears it. I am not sure as to Piccarreta if her intentions were pure.

"Well, it SOUNDS bad!! See!! It must be false!!" Yes, I understand if one is swayed by demonic apparitions, etc., do you think is not a sin? I do. It is a mortal sin, I believe, that's why there are so many "apparitions." Mostly from women. They convinced themself that this is from a good source, but I do not think so. I will not put my eternal life in jeopardy by believing in something very suspicious.

If you speak/read Italian here is the link to a 1957 movie about St. Catherine originally posted by Order of Preachers, I believe.

Io Caterina. FILM di Santa Caterina da Siena (1957)
andrew24157
Strong and Steadfast
According to the artist Lord Jesus was a grown man in the mystical marriage with St. Catherine of Siena:
Giovanni_di_Paolo_The_Mystic_Marriage_of_Saint_Catherine_of_Siena (on the left):
Is it done in any improper way? Could that be done the same way as with St. Catherine of Alexandria? Now, compare the Piccarreta thing and her sensuality. Could you imagine Piccarreta's picture …More
Strong and Steadfast
According to the artist Lord Jesus was a grown man in the mystical marriage with St. Catherine of Siena:
Giovanni_di_Paolo_The_Mystic_Marriage_of_Saint_Catherine_of_Siena (on the left):

Is it done in any improper way? Could that be done the same way as with St. Catherine of Alexandria? Now, compare the Piccarreta thing and her sensuality. Could you imagine Piccarreta's picture? Disgusting.

For comparison Marriage of St. Catherine of Alexandria (on the right):
Paolo Veronese - The Mystical Marriage of St Catherine of Alexandria:

Lord Jesus is a lot younger. You could see her holiness here as well. Piccarreta and Faustina do not measure up to those saints with their carnal desires full of sensuality (the beginning of all sins according to God the Eternal Father).
Maggie212
Up to this point in the book,I had questions and kept asking God if this is for real. But when I got there, I threw the book out.
Strong and Steadfast
@andrew24157 So now your argument has shifted from, "Hey, this SOUNDS bad so lets all assume the worst", to "Hey, this artwork is good, but if you try to imagine artwork depicting this other thing it would be bad and full of carnal sensuality".
Are you for real? Are you really basing your argument on what you think a depiction of a certain subject in art might look like?
I don't even know what …More
@andrew24157 So now your argument has shifted from, "Hey, this SOUNDS bad so lets all assume the worst", to "Hey, this artwork is good, but if you try to imagine artwork depicting this other thing it would be bad and full of carnal sensuality".

Are you for real? Are you really basing your argument on what you think a depiction of a certain subject in art might look like?

I don't even know what you're talking about in respect to the ages of Our Lord in the paintings. What does that have to do with anything? What do the paintings themselves have to do with anything? What do the paintings matter in a discussion on the morality or theology of an alleged apparition?

"Piccarreta and Faustina do not measure up to those saints with their carnal desires full of sensuality (the beginning of all sins according to God the Eternal Father)" - rather, it is you who is projecting carnal sensuality where it does not belong. Get your head out of the gutter. There are numerous metaphors of nursing from breasts throughout the Bible, and not just babies.

Different saints, especially women, were known to have a wide array of relationships with Our Lord. Some saints, such as those in the paintings you've displayed, had a relationship akin to something like marriage. Other saints, such as Therese of Liseux, had a relationship that she described as being more a toy for the Child Jesus to play with. Other female saints notably took more of a role of mother for Him, and if Luisa Piccarreta is in Heaven, she would be among these (based strictly on this one line). Other female saints (and male saints) had more of a role of consoler. Different saints were called to different relationships with Him. And that's a good thing. That does not mean that any single one of them are as high in Heaven as is the Blessed Virgin Mary. All it means is that He wants something different from each of us, and that's a teaching that has been around since the Old Testament, and continued through the last 2000 years.

"Piccarreta wanted to be so close to her "Jesus" that she wanted to be touched by him in a very improper way" - Actually, in the example with Catherine of Siena, though she may have been inspired by Our Lord toward this thought, in her writing it came from her. The attitude was something along the lines of "What a wonderful ring that would have made!" On the contrary, the line in the writings of Piccarreta regarding Our Lord feeding from her breasts did not come from her (allegedly), but from Our Lord - it was His words and not hers - at least that's the context of what was said.

"He considers this a sin, an original sin" - That's not how the dogma of Original Sin works.

"Yes, I understand if one is swayed by demonic apparitions, etc., do you think is not a sin? I do. It is a mortal sin, I believe, that's why there are so many "apparitions."" - So, I take it that English is not your first language. Unfortunately I think we're losing a lot in this discussion because you're not understanding what I'm saying, and with lines like this I'm really not sure what you mean. Is it a mortal sin to be swayed by demonic apparitions? No, surely not, unless you know it's a demonic apparition and let yourself be swayed. You might then say that you're trying to inform people so they are NOT swayed by demonic apparitions, but you are guilty of rash judgement. It is not up to you to determine if this is demonic or not. In fact, in Christian charity, you have a duty to assume that the breastfeeding line is NOT meant in an erotic way. Yet you assume the opposite. You assume the worst not just of any action of Luisa Piccarreta, but of her intentions and of the state of her soul. Christians cannot judge in that way. She did not live through the modernism that we have today, and that all of us suffer from.

"I will not put my eternal life in jeopardy by believing in something very suspicious." - I honestly don't know what you think is so suspicious. You have posted one or two lines that you have big issues with because you read them in the worst possible way.

I will not put my eternal life in jeopardy by means of rash judgement and general accusations over a matter that I really don't know enough about. I will, however, defend others against irrational and rash accusations. If you have something legitimate to accuse her of, then bring it forth, but don't rely on arguments like, "here guys, this sounds really bad, doesn't it?".
Strong and Steadfast
@Maggie212 Which book did you throw out? The Luisa Piccarreta book or the Catherine of Siena book?
andrew24157
Strong and Steadfast This endless discussion doesn't have sense anymore. You can believe in whatever you wish. If you love Piccarreta and Faustina let it be. I prefer to use my sound judgment in these cases. Good luck in the future.
Strong and Steadfast
@andrew24157 I agree there is little merit to continuing.
Regarding my personal beliefs, I never said that I believe in Piccarreta or Faustina. If anything, I indicated that I am hesitant. I just don't like when people rely on irrational arguments or rash accusations.
Good luck to you, also.More
@andrew24157 I agree there is little merit to continuing.

Regarding my personal beliefs, I never said that I believe in Piccarreta or Faustina. If anything, I indicated that I am hesitant. I just don't like when people rely on irrational arguments or rash accusations.

Good luck to you, also.
Credo .
Excellent post andrew24157. 😍
Live Mike
How can anyone continue to believe in this "false prophet" after reading such an outright bizarre statement?!