"Seamless Garment:" Quiet Propaganda for Abortion. Did you read this Jeffrey? re Leo using illegal immigration issue as part of "seamless garment/ quiet propaganda for abortion"
This is a good costume. (I'm not well prepared to discuss ICE actions etc.) Thank you for your posts Jeffrey
Of course, this is true.
However, "A removable alien residing within the borders of the United States with no lawful right to do so" takes up a lot more room on a sign or a meme, so...I don't really understand the nit-pickery.
How is effecting the removal of a "removable alien" a "human rights violation"? How is there a "human right" for anyone on earth to reside within any political boundary other than the one in which they were born?
And, how is it a constitutional violation to remove from within the political boundaries of the United States anyone who is lawfully established to be a "removable alien"?
I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be compassion. But working to prevent deportations (in those cases where the deportee is genuinely a "removable alien") is a foolish and reckless expression of any such alleged "compassion."
??? wierd. 'Illegal' means contrary to the law. Are you suggesting that MAGA is claiming that a 'human is illegal' according to their very essence??? very wierd post. It is not a crime in the sense of being a felony, but in the sense of being at contradiction with the law of the land, it certainly is. That's why it allows for deporation. You're position is simply that a gov't is not allowed to enforce immigration law; which necessarily presupposes that it is immoral for a gov't to have immigration law. Most people would disagree. Btw, careful about locking your own home or car... that might be considered domestic immigration law. :-)
Thanks for the comment! Yes my point is that humans are not illegal and it is not a criminal act for an alien to remain in the country. What is occurring in the US is a travesty of human rights violations and constitutional ones also. But of course the present administration doesn't give a rip for the constitution, after all, it rules by executive order, anyway. Now let's get to the statement you make, "You're position is simply that a gov't is not allowed to enforce immigration law;" Actually I don't think I have made that statement. The US Government promotes "illegal" immigration which in my opinion makes the "illegal" immigration ipso facto legal because the US Government promotes it. Now if the Government is promoting it then they must deal equitably and follow the "rule of law" when dealing with these Immigrants. This is clearly not the case with ICE, and the Trumptard administration. Their response is a Bolshevik Brown shirt thug response designed to create a corresponding liberal backlash resulting in more chaos and the excuse to invoke more draconian laws such as the insurrection act. Which is what this is all about in the first place, really has nothing to do with "illegal" immigration. God bless you!
You have two arguments, and they seem to be based on contradictory principles.
First, the US gov't promotes 'illegal' immigration, therefore it is actually legal. This implies that if the gov't did not promote it, it would be illegal. Therefore there COULD BE such a thing as an illegal immigrant.
Second, an immigrant is a human, and 'no human is illegal', therefore there could NOT be such a thing as an illegal immigrant.
I don't know what promotion of illegal immigration you are speaking, so I won't try to address that. My original point was that the statement, 'No human is illegal,' is weird. This is because it obfuscates what is actually being said. When I asked if 'human' refers to man's 'essence', you said yes. That means we have the statement. 'No human nature/essence is illegal.' That would mean the opposite is true as well. 'Every human nature/essence is legal.' What do those statements even mean? How can you take an abstract thing and predicate a particular relation to it? You might as well say 'No human nature is small.' If in the statement, 'no human is illegal', the word 'human' refers to a concrete human being, then to say 'no human being is illegal, i.e., has the status of being in contravention with the law', then it is clearly false. The criminal is a human being, and he has a status which is in contravention with the law. One doesn't say the 'criminal is illegal', because the very word criminal implies this status. The word immigrant does not imply illegality, that is why one distinguishes between the two, the legal or illegal immigrant.
Whether deliberately or not, you further blur the question by saying 'it is not a crime for an alien to remain in the country'. The question is not the 'remaining' but the 'coming into' the country illegally. The first point on the link you posted is that coming into the country illegally IS a crime. To say 'remaining' is not a crime, is like saying for a murderer to go shopping is not a crime, so why is he being arrested? He's not being arrested for shopping, he's being arrested for the murder. That is the act which put him in contravention of the law. To close, I will say that I agree that we are moving towards a police-state. But I don't think that comes from the current work of ICE or Trump. I think it is rather the agenda of the radicals on the Left.
@Alexander Ghost Thanks for your comment! There is much to unpack there it will take me a bit to consider it. "I don't know what promotion of illegal immigration you are speaking, so I won't try to address that." Remember my statement, "The US Government promotes "illegal" immigration which in my opinion makes the "illegal" immigration ipso facto "legal" because the US Government promotes it." Hence there are no "illegals," but "legal" immigrants in this argument. And as such they must be treated with the utmost respect of the US' "rule of law." It would be important to find out how the US Government promotes illegal immigration and why. Clearly the open boarder policy is one. Another would be the ease which some immigrants receive US Government benefits. So "The first point on the link you posted is that coming into the country illegally IS a crime. " And that is not my position. It would only be a crime if it were a violation of the natural or moral law, which it is not in this case since the US Government promotes it thereby tacitly approving it, making it an act of the state and legal.
Secondly the idea "no human being is illegal" probably refers to the idea that the present US Government propaganda is to attach "illegal" to alien to dehumanize them. I agree it sounds strange, but James Tru is an interesting character and this is designed to further the conversation.
"I will say that I agree that we are moving towards a police-state. But I don't think that comes from the current work of ICE or Trump. I think it is rather the agenda of the radicals on the Left." While I agree with the gist of this statement the errors of Russia are at work in the US on both sides of the political spectrum. The TPUSA conservative movement is captured by the Bolshevik's as plainly as the Woketard left. These are two dilectics which move us to the next phase of the the US transition to the Fourth Reich State. God bless you!