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Ultraviolet
@Hermit... "you can't compare cautious moves during a World War to tyrannical brutality." Tell that to the law-abiding American citizens who were rounded up and placed in concentration camps simply because they were ethnically Japanese. That's tyrannical brutality in its purest form. Your justifiction of "cautious moves" is functionally no different than those of the Australians. The only differ…More
@Hermit... "you can't compare cautious moves during a World War to tyrannical brutality." Tell that to the law-abiding American citizens who were rounded up and placed in concentration camps simply because they were ethnically Japanese. That's tyrannical brutality in its purest form. Your justifiction of "cautious moves" is functionally no different than those of the Australians. The only difference is which group of people you're locking up for no good reason.
Ultraviolet
"but one needs to examine the "cause"..."

Hysteria, paranoia,"cautious moves" (your words). All apply then, all apply now, proving my claim correct: The only difference is which group of people you're locking up for no good reason.

"It was tyrannical only if one looks at it narrowly from the Japanese-American's perspective, not the overall intent for the greater good."

Go tell that to the unva…More
"but one needs to examine the "cause"..."

Hysteria, paranoia,"cautious moves" (your words). All apply then, all apply now, proving my claim correct: The only difference is which group of people you're locking up for no good reason.

"It was tyrannical only if one looks at it narrowly from the Japanese-American's perspective, not the overall intent for the greater good."

Go tell that to the unvaccinated Australians. Your words don't need much of a gloss. It was tyrannical only if one looks at it narrowly from the unvaccinated's perspective, not the overall intent for the greater good.

What was done to those Americans, Japanese or not, was tyrannical when judged against the individual rights and personal liberties granted to all citizens which this country supposedly stands for. Now history is repeating itself in another country founded by expat Brits who should have learned from our mistake.

"The US government had fears of retaliation and/or infiltration from the US Japanese population for love of their native homeland..."

Hello, WASP racism. They're Japanese so naturally they're all guilty until proven innocent of treason. Better still, we'll skip the trial and simply imprison them.

"and the US could not afford internal struggles at a time when its citizens needed to be fully united."

The US had no Japanese "internal struggles" to justify such fears. The Duquesne Spy Ring proved if Murrica had to fear any group it was the Germans.

Also, each citizen is innocent until proven guilty. An entire demographic is not "guilty until proven innocent"

I do love your unintentional irony in justifying it with "at a time when its citizens needed to be fully united."

Yeah, locking up segments of the population because of their ethnicity surely did wonders for national unity. We pulled a similar stunt on some Americans who were of German or Italian ethnicity too.

"They could not afford our manufacturing or other essential facilities to be sabotaged."

Fallacy of circular reasoning. American leaders decided the only way to prevent people who hadn't done anything wrong from possibly doing something wrong was to lock them up before they did it, thus solving the problem that didn't exist.

"I agree it was the wrong thing to do looking at it some 80 years later, but it was a well-reasoned, wartime-precautionary move."

Do you now? Right now America has the war on drugs, the war on terror, the war on covid,, the war on etc....

Your "well-reasoned, wartime-precautionary move" justication can apply to any group today. The unvaccinated, loud-mouthed Republicans, preppers, gun-owners, Latinos, the unvaccinated, anyone and everyone who might be a threat to our "wars" on any of these fronts.

No, it wasn't well-reasoned even then. It was flat-out racial bigotry.

"It was also during a struggle to prevent global tyranny."

...and the soundest way for Murrica to prevent tyranny is for us to practice it ourselves.

All of this can be applied to Australia today. They're shoving their citizens into concentration camps during a struggle to prevent global infection.

"What is happening in Australia is hardly precautionary for a greater good..."

Of course it is. You have to trust the science... the unvaccinated catch, spread and incubate new forms of Covid which infect the fully vaccinated. :P

It's all their fault the vaccines aren't effective and that's why they're being quarantined in concentration camps. :P Seems legit. Just as you said, it's "precautionary for a greater good"

No, ideologically there isn't any difference whatsoever. It's the same faulty logic and the same damnable excuses... we're in global war, these people MIGHT be a threat, so the ends justify the means and better safe than sorry, personal liberties can go hang
The New Knights Templar
Sometimes I wonder if they don't get satisfaction from throwing it right out in front of our faces, just to spite us.
Ultraviolet
Before we sneer too loudly at Aussie concentration camps for Covid, let's remember Murrica did the same thing to Japanese during WWII.
John A Cassani
What’s wrong with sneering loudly at both? It was terrible, what we did Japanese expats, but to do it again, to any group, would justify the American people aiming every privately owned gun in the USA toward the perpetrators. Australia is devolving back to its original state for lack of the remedy Americans still possess.