Kathleen Keating
I agree about the closeness of the chastisement. I worry about the disturbances in thinking and the lack of reason due to the distance from God. That may overwhelm many people and with Satan's assistance come to the conclusion that all is lost including themselves. Has the window of Divine Mercy closed yet? Not yet, but soon. Pray for the conversion of all souls and the consecration of Russia to …More
I agree about the closeness of the chastisement. I worry about the disturbances in thinking and the lack of reason due to the distance from God. That may overwhelm many people and with Satan's assistance come to the conclusion that all is lost including themselves. Has the window of Divine Mercy closed yet? Not yet, but soon. Pray for the conversion of all souls and the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart.
The New Knights Templar
A agree and hold the same worries. Thanks for your response.
The New Knights Templar
Thanks for the video!! I would make one minor correction in it, and I could be wrong--have been before--but I don't believe the chastisement is conditional any longer, I believe we have passed that point according to both St. Sister Lucia and Sr. Agnes, the nun who is receiving the visions in the apparition of Akita. Both have said that the chastisement "is imminent", the only thing that remains …More
Thanks for the video!! I would make one minor correction in it, and I could be wrong--have been before--but I don't believe the chastisement is conditional any longer, I believe we have passed that point according to both St. Sister Lucia and Sr. Agnes, the nun who is receiving the visions in the apparition of Akita. Both have said that the chastisement "is imminent", the only thing that remains conditional is how bad it will be and how long it will last. Sr. Agnes was asked by a Franciscan friar who was granted access to her, how many rosaries she said a day. Sr. Agnes replied "18, and it isn't enough."
Live Mike
@The New Knights Templar Perhaps it remains conditional in so far as we can mitigate its severity or intensity by our prayer, penance and sacrifice. In other words, the condition of the chastisement depends upon our response beforehand.
You'll recall Pope John Paul II's words in Fulda, Germany, November 1980 (6 months before he was shot): The Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy …More
@The New Knights Templar Perhaps it remains conditional in so far as we can mitigate its severity or intensity by our prayer, penance and sacrifice. In other words, the condition of the chastisement depends upon our response beforehand.
You'll recall Pope John Paul II's words in Fulda, Germany, November 1980 (6 months before he was shot): The Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God.”
"We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ …With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary."
Just me
@The New Knights Templar Where did you read that? I would love to read the article.
LiveJohn
Kathleen Keating is a noted Author, Investigative Journalist and former close associate of Fr Malachi Martin. The Final Warning is primarily about Garabandal and the Prophesied Worldwide Warning. Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional; meaning dependent upon the state of the world following the Warning and Great Miracle. Accordingly, predictions …More
Kathleen Keating is a noted Author, Investigative Journalist and former close associate of Fr Malachi Martin. The Final Warning is primarily about Garabandal and the Prophesied Worldwide Warning. Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional; meaning dependent upon the state of the world following the Warning and Great Miracle. Accordingly, predictions about its certainty are premature and without foundation – opinions excepted..
The New Knights Templar
@Live Mike I see what you're saying, and perhaps I am recalling incorrectly what both of the sources I mentioned were stating. JPII said it was imminent because it's God's Will, it's needed to right the Church. Our prayer applies to the duration and severity. That would fit in exactly with the context of what both my sources said. Both said "It's imminent" and Sr. Agnes said "18 rosaries aren't …More
@Live Mike I see what you're saying, and perhaps I am recalling incorrectly what both of the sources I mentioned were stating. JPII said it was imminent because it's God's Will, it's needed to right the Church. Our prayer applies to the duration and severity. That would fit in exactly with the context of what both my sources said. Both said "It's imminent" and Sr. Agnes said "18 rosaries aren't enough (perhaps enough to lessen the severity because not all people are responding to the request to say the rosary).
The New Knights Templar
@Just me It's been a long time ago. As far as St. Sr. Lucia it was in a Fatima article, St. Lucia was being interviewed by a reporter right before she died. At that time she was asked about the chastisement and she said (paraphrased except the first two words) "It's imminent". People have failed to respond to Our Lady's requests and we've passed the point of being able to avoid it. All we can do …More
@Just me It's been a long time ago. As far as St. Sr. Lucia it was in a Fatima article, St. Lucia was being interviewed by a reporter right before she died. At that time she was asked about the chastisement and she said (paraphrased except the first two words) "It's imminent". People have failed to respond to Our Lady's requests and we've passed the point of being able to avoid it. All we can do now it pray to lessen it's severity and duration. Sr. Agnes at Akita backed that up in the most recent vision she had, which happened in October several years ago. The Franciscan asked her about the chastisement and she also said it was imminent/unavoidable. She prays 18 rosaries a day and it isn't enough. What "isn't enough" means is up to personal interpretation, I guess. As I wrote to @Live Mike above, it's been long enough that perhaps I'm not recalling things correctly. They might have meant, it's imminent because it's needed to right the Church, and it will be severe because no one is responding to Our Lady's requests.
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The New Knights Templar
@LiveJohn Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional; meaning dependent upon the state of the world following the Warning and Great Miracle.
If I'm understanding you correctly, that goes against what JPII said about it which @Live Mike provided in his comment here. It's imminent because it's necessary to correct the Church, which I can understand just …More
@LiveJohn Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional; meaning dependent upon the state of the world following the Warning and Great Miracle.

If I'm understanding you correctly, that goes against what JPII said about it which @Live Mike provided in his comment here. It's imminent because it's necessary to correct the Church, which I can understand just looking at our Church, we're not going to turn the disaster of the Church around without Divine intervention. But what remains conditional is the severity and duration, which agrees with what you are explaining. The severity and duration will be conditional on our response to the Warning and The Great Miracle.
LiveJohn
@The New Knights Templar Thank you for your comment. Divine Intervention in the present context; is essentially a means by God to correct the conscience of the world and the reason underpinning the Holy Virgins many appeals for conversion and amendment of life. The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others …More
@The New Knights Templar Thank you for your comment. Divine Intervention in the present context; is essentially a means by God to correct the conscience of the world and the reason underpinning the Holy Virgins many appeals for conversion and amendment of life. The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others, is yet to be determined – that’s why it is conditional. Unnecessary fear mongering runs contrary to Pope John Paul lI’s direction to the Lords sheep to “do not fear” also reinforced by Padre Pio by his Injunction to "Pray, Hope and ’Don't Worry".
A healthy fear of the Lord is permissible. Over concern about what may or may not happen can lead to despair and the loss of ones faith thus becoming an instrument of Satan. The most important thing for all of us to do at this time of crisis in the Church and the World is to Love God and do His Will. That’s what the Holy Virgins Messages for the World are about.
In my case, I let the Lord do the worrying and commend it to others.
Pax Vobiscum.
The New Knights Templar
Thanks for your reply in return.
The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others, is yet to be determined – that’s why it is conditional.
That is contrary to what JPII said:
Pope John Paul II's words in Fulda, Germany, November 1980 (6 months before he was shot): The Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is …More
Thanks for your reply in return.

The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others, is yet to be determined – that’s why it is conditional.

That is contrary to what JPII said:

Pope John Paul II's words in Fulda, Germany, November 1980 (6 months before he was shot): The Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God.”
"We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ …With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed.
LiveJohn
@The New Knights Templar. A tribulation is not the same as a Global Chastisement. I stand by my comment.
The New Knights Templar
@LiveJohn That's great, stand by it because you said chastisement, not tribulation, in fact you didn't mentioned tribulation in any of your responses:
Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional;
The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others, is yet to be determined …
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@LiveJohn That's great, stand by it because you said chastisement, not tribulation, in fact you didn't mentioned tribulation in any of your responses:

Expectations of a Chastisement need to be tempered since its fulfillment is conditional;

The point at which the global situation is sufficiently bad to require a Chastisement of the type shown to the Garabandal seers and others, is yet to be determined – that’s why it is conditional


When JPII was referring to "the tribulation" he was referring to what we are calling the chastisement, you know it and I know it-- AND the issue of the whole thread is the chastisement. If you're going to play games, dude, go to Mall and play them, don't waste my time, I'm trying to discuss thing like a grown up, not play "who get's the last response".
LiveJohn
@The New Knights Templar. Your reference to "dude" is arrogant, insulting and completely unnecessary.
You wrote:
"why bring up tribulation?" Answer, I didn't you did.
Concerning the Tribulation:
Garabandal and the Communist Tribulation prior to the Worldwide Warning. The late German Author Albrecht Weber's book contains this statement attributed to Conchita: "The pope will go to Russia, to …More
@The New Knights Templar. Your reference to "dude" is arrogant, insulting and completely unnecessary.
You wrote:
"why bring up tribulation?" Answer, I didn't you did.
Concerning the Tribulation:
Garabandal and the Communist Tribulation prior to the Worldwide Warning. The late German Author Albrecht Weber's book contains this statement attributed to Conchita: "The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican,hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe." [The source for this information was also requested. Mr. Weber responded: "Conchita said this in a long conversation at her house on November 14,1965." The visionary is also reported to have revealed to Padre Pio that “The Great Wonder of God, [Miracle], must be paid for with much blood throughout Europe”. An accurate definition of a tribulation to me if ever there was one.
Cheers.
The New Knights Templar
@LiveJohn I call people dudes, sometimes, that's the way it is and I'm not in charge of what offends you, you're in charge of that, if you don't like it, take your comments elsewhere. As far as tribulation is concerned, prior to you writing it here, it was always termed "chastisement", by Keating and everyone else who commented, including by you.
LiveJohn
@The New Knights Templar I have absolutely no intention of taking my comments elsewhere.
Discussion ended.
The New Knights Templar
@LiveJohn Works for me.
Live Mike
@The New Knights Templar LiveJohn wrote,"The late German Author Albrecht Weber's book contains this statement attributed to Conchita: "The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican,hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe." This is patently false as his book contains no such statement. It is one of several mistakes and misconceptions held by those who …More
@The New Knights Templar LiveJohn wrote,"The late German Author Albrecht Weber's book contains this statement attributed to Conchita: "The pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican,hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe." This is patently false as his book contains no such statement. It is one of several mistakes and misconceptions held by those who fail to do their own homework. I own the 2nd edition of the book where that quote is alleged to appear but it appears nowhere. Glenn Hudson informed me on which edition allegedly contained the quote in writing. In the past I recall explaining this before but it fell on deaf ears and eyes who refuse to see. But yes, it is true that Weber did confirm Conchita's statement at least on two separate occasions; to the late Barry Hanratty and also to Argentine Garabandal author Santiago Lanus, however it does not appear in Weber's text. I've gone through the entire work at least 7 times and the word "Moscow" does not appear anywhere. This popular mistake has circumnavigated the globe by those who instead of doing their own research merely repeat what they've been erroneously told. Santiago Lanus will corroborate my account of the truth on this point.
Live Mike
Fr. Malachi Martin, reader of the Third Secret of Fatima, spoke of several chastisements... man-made and Heaven-sent. Sr. Lucia in 1957 declared to Fr. Agustín Fuentes:
“Tell them, Father, that many times, the most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of …More
Fr. Malachi Martin, reader of the Third Secret of Fatima, spoke of several chastisements... man-made and Heaven-sent. Sr. Lucia in 1957 declared to Fr. Agustín Fuentes:
“Tell them, Father, that many times, the most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation.” @The New Knights Templar The above is distinct from the Great Chastisement revealed to the girls of Garabandal during the Nights of Screams in late-June of 1962 and also to Sr. Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan in October of 1973.
LiveJohn
"ABOARD the home bound papal plane from Greece, Pope Francis announced plans to visit Moscow, the capital of Russia, in the near future. Shivers ran down my spine as I read it....These hints from Garabandal tell us of the nearing prophesied major events: the Warning, the Miracle, and the Chastisement."
Source SunStar Cervantes.
Major credibility problem there for you Live Mike once the itinerary …More
"ABOARD the home bound papal plane from Greece, Pope Francis announced plans to visit Moscow, the capital of Russia, in the near future. Shivers ran down my spine as I read it....These hints from Garabandal tell us of the nearing prophesied major events: the Warning, the Miracle, and the Chastisement."
Source SunStar Cervantes.
Major credibility problem there for you Live Mike once the itinerary for Francis visit is announced.
Cheers.
Live Mike
What major credibility problem might that be, LiveJohn?
The New Knights Templar
Thanks for the explanation, @Live Mike if I call correctly Desmond Birch speaks of several as well.. When reviewing the dialogue I was assuming that Keating's use of chastisement and all those involved in the thread were referring to the "same" chastisement and JPII was using this same chastisement and tribulation interchangeably.
LiveJohn
@Live Mike Time will tell.