Archbishop Vigano is inconsistent: implements the teaching of the Second Vatican Council on ecumeni…

With all due respect to Archbishop Vigano, who, despite his many correct claims, seems to completely reject the teaching of the last council, it must be said that he is acting inconsistently because …
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I stand with Vigano faithful son of the Church. Deo Gratias and gratitude to you Archbishop Viganò, keep speaking! JMJ Dear Excellency Quoting from the Gospel of St John chapter 10. We the little people of the Church are so grateful to Our Lord that He has given us a Shepherd prepared to guard the sheep door. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. We know your voice …More
I stand with Vigano faithful son of the Church. Deo Gratias and gratitude to you Archbishop Viganò, keep speaking! JMJ Dear Excellency Quoting from the Gospel of St John chapter 10. We the little people of the Church are so grateful to Our Lord that He has given us a Shepherd prepared to guard the sheep door. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. We know your voice and not that of the hireling. 5 But a stranger they follow not, but fly from him, because they know not the voice of strangers. We understood not what Pope Benedict spoke when he said during the Mass of the inauguration of His Pontificate. DG +AB Vigano we stand with you "PETITION"
F M Shyanguya
Utter Rubbish!

“Only solemn definitions of dogmatic councils are infallible, not the entire content of the teaching of the council.

The Second Vatican Council (pastoral) was the least important council in history, and previous dogmatic councils are the most important.”
F M Shyanguya
I am beginning to see a pattern and an insidious MO. Those appearing to criticize enemies of the Church are themselves enemies.

If the faithful are not ensnared by the former, they intend to ensnare them by the latter.

If it is not via Sr Simone, it will be via Sr “Dede”.
F M Shyanguya
Bp Schneider ≠ the Church. You can follow out of the Church if you so wish.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Bishop Schneider is right.
F M Shyanguya
Abp Viganò is on the extreme of Bp Schneider, so I will be on his bandwagon?

@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła it appears you are not acquainted with my posts and comments here on GTV:
- It appears! Abp Viganò is one of them!
- Abp Viganò: Heretical Council? Who can answer the Abp?

- Bp Schneider cf comments here:

You are welcome to search for what I have posted on the Church’s Ecumenical Council…More
Abp Viganò is on the extreme of Bp Schneider, so I will be on his bandwagon?

@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła it appears you are not acquainted with my posts and comments here on GTV:
- It appears! Abp Viganò is one of them!
- Abp Viganò: Heretical Council? Who can answer the Abp?

- Bp Schneider cf comments here:

You are welcome to search for what I have posted on the Church’s Ecumenical Councils. More importantly, learn about what the Church herself says about her own Councils and Teaching.

Cf The Church is One
F M Shyanguya
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła

Where is those Church documents is there support for your position?

A church unto thy self.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
Here is an example of an obsolete (out of date) piece of teaching that is not infallible:

Jews and Saracens of both sexes in every Christian province must be distinguished from the Christian by a difference of dress. On Passion Sunday and the last three days of Holy Week they may not appear in public (Lateran Council IV, Canon 68).
F M Shyanguya
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
One of the errors - and they have a number - of those who espouse similar views, confusing and conflating Church Teaching with Church dogma; Infallible with irreformable, etc.

If you care to be assisted, review the decrees of the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem, the prototype upon which subsequent Ecumenical Councils are based. Answer if ALL they decreed:

1) Was infa…More
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
One of the errors - and they have a number - of those who espouse similar views, confusing and conflating Church Teaching with Church dogma; Infallible with irreformable, etc.

If you care to be assisted, review the decrees of the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem, the prototype upon which subsequent Ecumenical Councils are based. Answer if ALL they decreed:

1) Was infallible and;

2) Persist to our day.
W obronie Tradycji Kościoła
When it comes to the question of interventions in the prudential order, it could happen that some Magisterial documents might not be free from all deficiencies. Bishops and their advisors have not always taken into immediate consideration every aspect or the entire complexity of a question. But it would be contrary to the truth, if, proceeding from some particular cases, one were to conclude …More
When it comes to the question of interventions in the prudential order, it could happen that some Magisterial documents might not be free from all deficiencies. Bishops and their advisors have not always taken into immediate consideration every aspect or the entire complexity of a question. But it would be contrary to the truth, if, proceeding from some particular cases, one were to conclude that the Church's Magisterium can be habitually mistaken in its prudential judgments, or that it does not enjoy divine assistance in the integral exercise of its mission. In fact, the theologian, who cannot pursue his discipline well without a certain competence in history, is aware of the filtering which occurs with the passage of time. This is not to be understood in the sense of a relativization of the tenets of the faith. The theologian knows that some judgments of the Magisterium could be justified at the time in which they were made, because while the pronouncements contained true assertions and others which were not sure, both types were inextricably connected. Only time has permitted discernment and, after deeper study, the attainment of true doctrinal progress (Donum veritatis 24).

"The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.... the infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council (Catechism of the Catholic Church 891).

Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. (Catechism of the Catholic Church 892).

The act of definitive and infallible teaching:

In the name of the holy Trinity, Father, Son and holy Spirit, we define, with the approval of this holy universal council of Florence, that the following truth of faith shall be believed and accepted by all Christians and thus shall all profess it: that the holy Spirit is eternally from the Father and the Son, and has his essence and his subsistent being from the Father together with the Son, and proceeds from both eternally as from one principle and a single spiration (Ecumenical Council of Florence, Session 6, 6 July 1439).

An example of teaching that is not final and infallible:

The sixth is the sacrament of orders. Its matter is the object by whose handing over the order is conferred. So the priesthood is bestowed by the handing over of a chalice with wine and a paten with bread; the diaconate by the giving of the book of the gospels; the subdiaconate by the handing over of an empty chalice with an empty paten on it; and similarly for the other orders by allotting things connected with their ministry (Ecumenical Council of Florence, Session 8, 22 November 1439).

Pope Pius XII corrected this error:

Wherefore, after invoking the divine light, We of Our Apostolic Authority and from certain knowledge declare, and as far as may be necessary decree and provide: that the matter, and the only matter, of the Sacred Orders of the Diaconate, the Priesthood, and the Episcopacy is the imposition of hands. (Sacramentum Ordinis 4).
F M Shyanguya
Jim Dorchak
Man and to think, all this time I thought he was perfect.
123jussi
So many non sequitors in one place AMAZIN !