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Catholics praying at a Sheshan Marian grotto in the Chinese city of Shanghai in 2015. (UCA News file photo) As the Vatican looks to extend its pact …
Ultraviolet
"Heresy can be discerned by believing Catholics." @JIM-BOT.

"Believing Catholics" as determined by whom? Themselves? That's "Sola Scriptura" (and a No True Scottsman Fallacy) You're falling back on your Lutheran beliefs, Jimmy.

Ironic. you're falling back onto your heretical Lutheran education while accusing the Pope of heresy.

You certainly aren't citing Canon Law or The Catechism. Just …More
"Heresy can be discerned by believing Catholics." @JIM-BOT.

"Believing Catholics" as determined by whom? Themselves? That's "Sola Scriptura" (and a No True Scottsman Fallacy) You're falling back on your Lutheran beliefs, Jimmy.

Ironic. you're falling back onto your heretical Lutheran education while accusing the Pope of heresy.

You certainly aren't citing Canon Law or The Catechism. Just makin' it all up as you go along. Another day of Jimmy's Lies On GTV.

Who decides heresy? Interesting subject. I care about such things. For you they're just bricks you throw at the Pope.

Heresy, as the Church defines it in Canon Law 751 is "an obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; "

Obstinacy shows a deliberate course of action, i.e. "stubbornly adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion." (from Merriam Webster)

In this context, the term shows that
a.) the accused heretic has expressed a view
b.) The Church has disgreed with that view as contrary to its teachings.
c.) The Church has attempted to correct the accused heretic
d.) the accused heretic has opposed that correction by the Church.

Regarding Pope Francis,
a.) has happened.
b.)-d.) have not.

You aren't qualified to represent The Church in doing b.-d., not in law or in fact. Neither is some blogger like Barnhardt or Bugnolo.

Your opinion that the Pope doubts or denies a truth taught by the Church to be divine is not an objective fact.

Likewise, your opinion that his supposed doubt or denial is maintained in an obstinate manner is also an opinion.

Again... who has the temporal authority to represent the Church when attempting to correct the supposed errors of the Church's highest temporal authority?
Ultraviolet
"We are all baptized and confirmed, we know Catholic faith."

Wrong. The Sacrament of Baptism and Confirmation do not impart a Divinely-granted comprehension of the entire Catechism of The Catholic Church.

If your claim was true, why are you always on the wrong side of what the Church teaches?

"We know dogma."

Are you using "we' in the royal sense, King Jimmy? Or are you just assuming you …More
"We are all baptized and confirmed, we know Catholic faith."

Wrong. The Sacrament of Baptism and Confirmation do not impart a Divinely-granted comprehension of the entire Catechism of The Catholic Church.

If your claim was true, why are you always on the wrong side of what the Church teaches?

"We know dogma."

Are you using "we' in the royal sense, King Jimmy? Or are you just assuming you know what other people think again?
Ultraviolet
..as for you knowing dogma? YOU? :D Like you know Canon Law, right? It's a "De Facto" knowlege, and the term doesn't appear in Canon Law, right?

THAT Is that the sort of knowedge you're bringing to a discussion of Catholic Dogma. ;-)

You know nothing except how to run that sewer-grate under your nose.

"And it's easy to say that a man who denies the trinity and claims to be a Catholic …More
..as for you knowing dogma? YOU? :D Like you know Canon Law, right? It's a "De Facto" knowlege, and the term doesn't appear in Canon Law, right?

THAT Is that the sort of knowedge you're bringing to a discussion of Catholic Dogma. ;-)

You know nothing except how to run that sewer-grate under your nose.

"And it's easy to say that a man who denies the trinity and claims to be a Catholic is a heretic."

Oh, I agree. For once I do. It's easy to say that, it's easy to say anything. That's all you ever do, Jimmy

You say things and there's never a shred of support for anything you say.

I've already covered why you saying that isn't legally valid according to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

"A pope who is a heretic is already condemned by God. He ceases to be pope."

Lovely. You do not have the legal authority to make that judgement under Canon Law Repeating the accusation endlessly doesn't make it true, either.
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Ultraviolet
"Jesus Christ taught us how to be Catholic. Therefore we can tell when someone isn't."

...just the way Lutherans do. Go back to your old faith, Jimbo. It suits you, Catholicism doesn't work the way you want it to.

"Bergolio is an antipope and by his own words a heretic."

Here we go! Goebbel-Bot on replay.