From 2019: On Sunday, Pope Francis spoke to the Christian minority in Morocco. He spoke of how we should lead others to Jesus primarily through example, through loving and encountering others. However, this was misunderstood by many inside and outside the Church as he compared this path of conversion to a negative form of proselytizing. I will analyze the text after showing the misunderstanding...

Pope: Evangelize 1st by Example! Not "Don't Convert Others"

Pope: Evangelize 1st by Example! Not “Don’t Convert Others” April 1, 2019 Fr. Matthew P. Schneider, LC Pope Francis at Weekly General Audience in St.…
Cecilia Lopez
The Great Commission be damned! "Go therefore ye into all nations, baptizing in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." Yup. Contradicting the Great Commission, definitely pope.
philosopher
The way to conversion is through friendship. One is more likely to listen to a well reasoned apologetic or argument from a friend than a stranger.
Rand Miller
The only misunderstanding is thinking Schneider says anything worth reading.
Les Crispi
I love how this guy is the official excuse maker for Bergoglio...
Mathathias Maccabeus
You know how I know you are in love with Pope Francis? You talk about him as often as a high school girl going to prom talks about her boyfriend 😂
Les Crispi
@Mathathias Maccabeus I'm in love with Christ. Which is why I hate Bergoglio. Because he hates Him. Something tells me you've never been to prom.
Mathathias Maccabeus
Funny, because I explicitly remember Christ saying, “If you love me you will keep my commandments” and “Love your enemy” and “He who hates his brother is a murderer”
Ultraviolet
@Mathathias Maccabeus Be careful... Les Crispi knows dogma. o.O In fact they know it "frontwards and backwards."
Les Crispi
@Mathathias Maccabeus Oh, you got me. Some of that 3rd grade gotcha coming out. Of course, Christ also called people like Bergolio "snakes". And he told his disciples to shake their feet to those who refuse to believe. And your mocking me shows you don't follow that commandment anyway. But I don't hope Bergie goes to hell, I hope he repents and resigns.

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@Mathathias Maccabeus Oh, you got me. Some of that 3rd grade gotcha coming out. Of course, Christ also called people like Bergolio "snakes". And he told his disciples to shake their feet to those who refuse to believe. And your mocking me shows you don't follow that commandment anyway. But I don't hope Bergie goes to hell, I hope he repents and resigns.

WHen Christ says love your enemy he doesn't say "don't criticize your him". Indeed, your little gotcha is straight up relativism. In fact, out of love for a man's soul, a Christian corrects him.

I'm glad @Ultraviolet is finally coming around to who he really is too. Gotta love the memes. Anyway, I know science more than you. As far as dogma goes, if I don't know more than you, you're not presenting a very good case.

The biggest troll on this site is @Ultraviolet, but lately @Mathathias Maccabeus is catching up.

When a person suffers a spiritual attack the same voices he hears sound a lot like you two. What a wonderful example for would-be Catholics to join the fold.

So insecure that you cannot let another man disagree. It's sad. Clearly you guys are in need of perspective. And maybe spiritual help.
Mathathias Maccabeus
“ And he told his disciples”
Specifically the apostles, who were ordained, were given the task to correct hypocrites; yes.

“ WHen Christ says love your enemy he doesn't say "don't criticize your him". ”

Oh boy am I glad you brought this up! Here is the relevant passage from the Holy Gospel,

“ 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy …More
“ And he told his disciples”
Specifically the apostles, who were ordained, were given the task to correct hypocrites; yes.

“ WHen Christ says love your enemy he doesn't say "don't criticize your him". ”

Oh boy am I glad you brought this up! Here is the relevant passage from the Holy Gospel,

“ 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye”

“ Indeed, your little gotcha is straight up relativism.”

If you want, I would be glad to quote the saints and approved commentary from the 1600’s and before.

“ In fact, out of love for a man's soul, a Christian corrects him.

Indeed, we are called to correct each other in fraternal love. Now let me ask you, is Pope Francis here? What part of anything you said is you correcting him? It seems to me that you are judging him, not correcting him. To correct someone you are to, according to Christ (whom you claim to love): 1) Go to the brother and correct him. 2) Should he not listen you bring another. 3) should he still not listen you go to the Church. 4) The authorities in the Church then pass judgment. Should he not listen to the judgment, the lawful authority casts them out. As the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope cannot be judged by any man; you definitely cannot be following that command, because to do so would be to claim you are the church, which is simply not true.
Les Crispi
No, you're being a relativist because you're used scripture to condemn me for criticizing Bergoglio. That's part of Bergoglio's insane "who am I to judge" stance toward homosexuals.

You say I can't criticize Bergoglio because I'm a hypocrite. Well, we are all hypocrites. And yet Jesus told us to look for signs of a person who isn't Christian. He told us love enough to correct. And the apostolic …More
No, you're being a relativist because you're used scripture to condemn me for criticizing Bergoglio. That's part of Bergoglio's insane "who am I to judge" stance toward homosexuals.

You say I can't criticize Bergoglio because I'm a hypocrite. Well, we are all hypocrites. And yet Jesus told us to look for signs of a person who isn't Christian. He told us love enough to correct. And the apostolic letters do the same thing.

Indeed, if we are Christians who pray God leads us in the right direction.

And by the way, a pope being a heretic demands correction. And he's a heretic, no matter how much you think you know.

I've explained time and again how Bergoglio is a heretic. I get people like you who turn into mewling children when I do.

People more important than I have written him time and again about it. My desire to not see him go to hell is the greatest love anyone can give anyone else. So everything else you just wrote me is blather.

All you did was reinforce this very small-minded relativist position of yours: I cannot criticize the man who calls himself pope because I am a hypocrite. That's the kind of stuff atheists argue. But since I am Catholic and pay attention to these things, and pray constantly, I can discern when I see things that aren't.

And we all can, if we are truly Catholic and believe in Christ. Jesus promised so.

Your entire argument is: how dare you criticize the "pope"! Jesus said not to be like the hypocrites! As Bergoglio worships a demon in the Vatican.

Sophomoric drivel. Just pure bilge. I feel sorry that you really believe this. Or that you will go to demonic lengths just to avoid the truth about Bergie.

Ciao.
Ultraviolet
That isn't what "relativism" is, @Les Crispi Matty is using Scripture to admonish your unchristian attitude and behavior. That's supported by Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 16
"All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,"""

...and that's what he just did.

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That isn't what "relativism" is, @Les Crispi Matty is using Scripture to admonish your unchristian attitude and behavior. That's supported by Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 16
"All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,"""

...and that's what he just did.

" That's part of Bergoglio's insane "who am I to judge" stance toward homosexuals."

No, you're behaving contrary to that of what Christ taught. Matty is pointing that out.

"You say I can't criticize Bergoglio because I'm a hypocrite."

Matty said no such thing. He said, "Specifically the apostles, who were ordained, were given the task to correct hypocrites; yes."

Likewise, Matty didn't say he was an apostle, either! He pointed out the task given to the apostles was to correct hypocrites and you took the reference personally.

"And yet Jesus told us to look for signs of a person who isn't Christian. He told us love enough to correct."

…and when Matty DID that you called him a relativist.

"Indeed, if we are Christians who pray God leads us in the right direction."

…because God always agrees with our foolishness when we pray to Him, amirite? This isn't the first time you've betrayed Lutheran past in your many aliases and accounts.

"And by the way, a pope being a heretic demands correction. And he's a heretic, no matter how much you think you know."

…because YOU claim he is. The Catholic Church does not. I've corrected your claim any number of times. You just ignore it and go right on repeating the same error.

"I've explained time and again how Bergoglio is a heretic."

…and I've explained time and time again why you don't have the authority to make that judgement.

" I get people like you who turn into mewling children when I do."

Welcome to Jimmy's Fantasy Land. Your reply here shows you don't know Canon Law any more than you do Scripture.

"People more important than I have written him time and again about it."

Fallacious Appeal to Authority. Oh yes, THIS is an example of the brilliant reasoning that turns all of your critics "into mewling children " :P
Ultraviolet
"My desire to not see him go to hell is the greatest love anyone can give anyone else."

Here's an example of your greatest love. "Can't wait until Bergoglio dies before Benedict. the confusion compounds..." Direct quote from you just yesterday.

"I cannot criticize the man who calls himself pope because I am a hypocrite."

You can do whatever you please. But claiming he isn't the pope is an …More
"My desire to not see him go to hell is the greatest love anyone can give anyone else."

Here's an example of your greatest love. "Can't wait until Bergoglio dies before Benedict. the confusion compounds..." Direct quote from you just yesterday.

"I cannot criticize the man who calls himself pope because I am a hypocrite."

You can do whatever you please. But claiming he isn't the pope is an error. So is claiming he's a heretic.

"But since I am Catholic and pay attention to these things, and pray constantly, I can discern when I see things that aren't."

Skip the virtue-signalling. You've already displayed the full extent of your constant prayer life: "Can't wait until Bergoglio dies…"

"And we all can, if we are truly Catholic and believe in Christ. Jesus promised so."

I'm still waiting for you to quote the Gospels where "Jesus Christ told us how to define heresy." (your words).

You call yourself a Catholic and perhaps now you are. But you betray a heretical Lutheran background. Praying to God does not make you infallible. Lutherans seem to think so, but they're wrong. What else is new?

"Your entire argument is: how dare you criticize the "pope"! "

Strawman Fallacy detected. Matty argued something else entirely.

"Sophomoric drivel. Just pure bilge. I feel sorry that you really believe this."

Funny… I've been saying that about your comments for ages now. Please quote the Gospels where Jesus told us to define heresy. When you're done that, quote where Jesus promised us we can discern things with full accuracy simply through prayer alone.

For a likely ex-Lutheran, this should be right up your Sola Scriptura.
SHJ-IHM
Matthew 28:19