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SSPX in Schism? No. Michael Davies proves that the SSPX is a perfectly legal Society of Common Life for Clergy in the catholic Church. He demonstrates that the penalties announced by the Vatican in …More
SSPX in Schism? No.

Michael Davies proves that the SSPX is a perfectly legal Society of Common Life for Clergy in the catholic Church. He demonstrates that the penalties announced by the Vatican in 1988 are null and void.
This is part of a debate given in 1995 or so, with the the editor of "Fidelity" magazine, Dr. E.M. Jones. Davies wins hands down. His books are available from Angelus Press, and much is free on-line at www.sspxasia.com
When Davies died in 2004, then Cardinal Ratzinger praised his contribution to the history of the current crisis. Davies was the official biographer of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Get the whole debate via "www.keepthefaith.org"
Ben Martin
Greg, nice u know all that about Luther--do you think he would like the N.O. Mass too? For Luther had a problem with the Latin Mass. Maybe this would be a point that all could come together and unify and not divide each from other, but dialogue. Yes dialogue—talk and talk -- we all have so much more in common with each other now that our worships services is so similar. We can now have …More
Greg, nice u know all that about Luther--do you think he would like the N.O. Mass too? For Luther had a problem with the Latin Mass. Maybe this would be a point that all could come together and unify and not divide each from other, but dialogue. Yes dialogue—talk and talk -- we all have so much more in common with each other now that our worships services is so similar. We can now have interfaith communion services and marriages.

I know the Lutherans hated the Latin Mass---but many in the last few years have been drawn closer together as result of V2 and New Mass--for we are not so far apart anymore with the changes---this is what God really wants, is for us all to be one.

Thanks to the changes, it is now possible. Before they were called heretics, now they are brothers in Christ—so all is good.

So this is wonderful of the New Mass are own Protestant brethren are finding the changes comforting, agreeable and acceptable--that is good sign of holiness and testament of the good fruit of the N.O.
Greg--no problem--you got the N.O. Mass now --enjoy it. Cheers ☕
Ben Martin
You are right St Ben--keep up the great work ✍️

My apologizes 👍
Holy Cannoli
Benny wrote:

"I truly have given up on this site [gloria.tv], which gets more and more anti-Catholic by the day."

And yet, the contentious, insulting, perpetual whining neo-Catholic remains at Gloria.

I wonder why that is?

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Ben Martin
Yep you are right--no differences in the Latin and N.O. Mass. All is ok. They are so similar and both provide the same fruit. Full steam ahead with the Spirit of Vatican II and the New Mass---the fruit is so wonderful to smell. 🤗

Go back to the N.O. Opium Den of Illusion--you buddies are calling you--they are having a pig roast.
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Holy Cannoli
Calling Benny a swine would be an insult to swine.

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Ben Martin
Greg,

None of this addresses the problem with the N.O. Mass or the V2 problems---it is like a drop in a bucket and actually acts like an opium to those demanding the return and restoration of the Faith—keep them in check. The Great Latin Mass is put on equal status with that of the hobo orphan N.O. Mass---this radical Mass will be corrected in the next century by the Church or officially …More
Greg,

None of this addresses the problem with the N.O. Mass or the V2 problems---it is like a drop in a bucket and actually acts like an opium to those demanding the return and restoration of the Faith—keep them in check. The Great Latin Mass is put on equal status with that of the hobo orphan N.O. Mass---this radical Mass will be corrected in the next century by the Church or officially declared invalid, once the ship of modernist move on. Church has always corrected herself in the past in similar ways. You cannot have two Masters or two faiths---as Christ said.

The new mass is starting to stink and perfume cover up to serious and young Catholic is not going to be enough anymore. They want the real thing. For they watched their parents and relatives be lied too, destroy their faith and watch them become secularized or liberal Catholics and they will not stand for it.

“guarding and protecting the Latin Mass is truly Catholic and praiseworthy”

Why would this been needed or necessary??—if we have the N.O. Mass it should be enough and supple all that is need to be and stay Catholic, we do not need the Latin Mass or two forms or three forms—but this is the problem. The New Mass forms a new form of Catholicism from this new form of worship. If the two are equal—then doing away with the Latin Mass—should be good for the Church—allow the evolutionally growth of the New Mass to take place, which all the planners of the New Mass wanted. Allow the clown Mass and polka Masses—for this is fruit of the New Mass and this must be what God had in mind for his Church—you are frustrating it progress by taking back in the Latin Mass—in with the new and out with the old—this progress.

What will happen at the Vatican III –a third form of the Mass??-- if the Church had this mentality in the past---how many forms of the Mass would we have after each council? This not how the One body of Christ operations---they do not give the faithful a cafeteria style of choosing which style of Mass they like, what form of faith they agree with.---It is one and Latin Mass make it one---the N.O. Mass is a rupture of this---can’t wait till V3 New Mass.

reform of the liturgical reform”

I always get a kick out of this statement. What happened after V2 and New Mass did not happen by accident, but through careful planning and implementation from the Top Down. The only reason for the current change in attitude that we have to reform the reform is:

1. Spirit of V2 and New Mass they were such flops that were such embarrassment and indictment to those that lead them, they want to wash their hands of it.—These radical changes of V2 were to effective in leading the people away from the faith that no one show up to pay the bill or keep the revolution going. So they had to come up with a term to save face to but yet keep their pet revolution dreams of V2 alive. They needed a bull dog in their corner for the weak limp wristed Catholics of the 1970’s and 1980’s were too weak and sterile and served their purpose.

2. The very fathers of the V2 council that were consider radicals and push for the liberalization of the Faith---became the popes after the V2. This was their baby---if anyone would know how to implement these changes correctly it was surely them. They achieved the desire results and now want to throw bones to the conservative to keep them on their side and not to rock the boat. Plus these conservatives are very devoted to overall to the cause, turn blind eyes to things that do not add up with N.O. issues and are willing to pay with their check books.

3. If the modern world is ready to make these V2 popes saints---we can surely believe these men did not make overall mistakes in their personal mission for the direction of the Church. They were at the helm of the Church and with all the power—they were the supreme authority and gave directions---if something “failed” it was not by accident but careful planning and with an end result in mind. Now this reform of the reform is a cover up on their trails—because the revolution of V2 was so devastating and so good at destroying the faithful—it was too good.

4. Where did this revilement of the Latin Mass and Catholic Faith come from???—Hierarchy---NO—but the laity. If it was not these “Schismatic” (SSPX) groups demanding the hierarchy to display Catholicism in all they do---Where would we be today??---You would not have Latin Mass to celebrate. For the very hierarchy that is now claiming to bring back the Latin Mass, actually were key instruments and doing away with it in first place. They were the ones pushing for the N.O. Mass and came to the councils in layman’s suit and tie to bringing new change and open the windows on the Church. Those windows are open and now we smell the stink of their creation.
Ben Martin
St. Ben you give no proof that supports your claims--you only think a protestant services are Catholic because your local parish says it is. Good luck--it not worth me wasting my time--if this basic element does not make sense to you. That N.O. Mass and Latin Mass do not give the same fruit. What good is it for me to throw my pearls.
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Ben Martin
Greg,

That is all good in Theory and is how it should work—but if you look at the fruits of New Mass and V2 it does not work out that way in reality----why else the rotten fruit and great of Apostasy of the average Joe Catholic today and their hierarchy if these two animals are the same and both blessing of the Holy Ghost? Two style of worship---two style of belief. 🤮

For centuries the Mass …More
Greg,

That is all good in Theory and is how it should work—but if you look at the fruits of New Mass and V2 it does not work out that way in reality----why else the rotten fruit and great of Apostasy of the average Joe Catholic today and their hierarchy if these two animals are the same and both blessing of the Holy Ghost? Two style of worship---two style of belief. 🤮

For centuries the Mass was guarded and protected from all new novelties and radical changes and had only one form---but made organic growth through time. The N.O. Mass has more similarities to the Anglican and many protestant worship services than it does to the Latin Mass. Why is that?

The N.O. Mass is like an orphan; who is it parents?—where did come from?—from Freemason and heretic-- Annibale Bugnini in his Frankenstein Laboratory—bringing pieces and parts of different Mass throughout the ages together, along with protestant forms of worship and beliefs: demolishing the Sacrifice emphasis of the Mass and highlighting the assemble of the people, the Priest as the President of the assembly, gather of people for Last Supper memorial service on a table, a clay cup and not a chalices, man centered worship service, secular music, women acting the place of priest, for years—changing the words of Christ—from many to all, communion in the hand, priest facing the people instead of God, --everything new but yet very similar to protestant worship service---why is that?. Is this what the martyr died for??

Why the 500 years of fighting NOT to go along with the Protestant Reformers on the Mass—but yet the New Mass has many of the elements that for 500 years Church has fought against and condemned--but yet one?? What make them one if they do not hold to same Catholic Faith?

This is an interesting read; Questioning The Validity.

www.the-pope.com/qtv.html

Greg----please show me a time in the Church when the Roman Latin Rite---every had two forms of the Mass that were universally promulgated---where is the precedence for this?

If there is two forms under one rite---why is there two forms of faith for these two Mass, if all are one?

Go to any local parish that does the N.O. Mass and compare the priest and faithful to those of the Latin Mass or those of the teaching of the Church over centuries. The Latin Mass group is in very much in in line with previous Church teachings---but the N.O. group---is not. They have open gay priest, clown Masses, liberal parishes, pro-gay marriage parishes, do not believe in the true presences, use birth control, believe in heresy, live together before marriage or let their kids, divorce and remarry, use different form, intent and matter for sacraments, believe in one’s personal conscience to triumphs rules of faith and papal teaching, do not go Mass on Sunday, work on Sunday, etc.---a whole different animal—but yet they are the same. Sounds like the heresy of Americanism. But how did they get this way??---but by the way you worship is the way you believe. Two different ways of worship and two different ways the people of each group believes.

By their fruit you shall know them.
Ben Martin
St. Ben

Some of what you (faithful in general) call Catholicism today and accept as Catholicism---the Church clearly condemned and called Protestantism: 60, 100, 500, 1000 years ago. How can this be?? The old condemns the new.

Does not sound like progress but the art of compromise and conditioning and devil gaining ground. Look around you---you call this progress? It is the exact problems our …More
St. Ben

Some of what you (faithful in general) call Catholicism today and accept as Catholicism---the Church clearly condemned and called Protestantism: 60, 100, 500, 1000 years ago. How can this be?? The old condemns the new.

Does not sound like progress but the art of compromise and conditioning and devil gaining ground. Look around you---you call this progress? It is the exact problems our popes have warned us about for over 300 years about the enemies of the Church being in the body of the Church and how Modernism is a opium of the people. Do not let it blur your vision.
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Ben Martin
Those conservative New Priests are the fruit of V2 and the New Mass

White Sepulchers

When the Gold rust, what will the Iron do? ☕

Common sense say there is a problem that resulted from both (V2 and N.O. Mass) and their radical changes are harmful to the soul---if you have to write 500 pages or set up a whole series of websites on why the New Mass is valid and legitimate. (How the square peg …More
Those conservative New Priests are the fruit of V2 and the New Mass

White Sepulchers

When the Gold rust, what will the Iron do? ☕

Common sense say there is a problem that resulted from both (V2 and N.O. Mass) and their radical changes are harmful to the soul---if you have to write 500 pages or set up a whole series of websites on why the New Mass is valid and legitimate. (How the square peg will fit in the round hole) Well then you have problems with your proof.

For God’s seamless garments do not need an expert to justify in a laborious matter how the Frankenstein fabric of the New Mass fits with that of the old garment. When someone has to go against the very innate instinct of the soul, that something stinks about these new ways of “Catholicism” –that is evidence enough. Like the evolutionist that marvels at God’s creation, but yet say there is no God and can justify and explain with libraries of books on why he is correct.

Christ made it simple: By their fruits you shall know them.

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These were words of advice of Pope St. Pius X to Priests on the need for priestly dignity and propriety at the beginning of the last century:

“In order never to be guilty of any unedifying act, the priest must regulate his actions, his movements and his habits in harmony with the sublimity of his vocation. He who on the altar almost ceases to be mortal and takes on a divine form, remains always the same, even when he comes down from the holy hill and leaves the temple of the Lord. Wherever he is, wherever he goes, he never ceases to be a priest, and the serious reasons that compel him always to be grave and appropriate accompany him with his dignity everywhere.

“Hence he must have that gravity that will ensure that his words, his bearing, and his way of working arouse love, win authority and excite reverence. For, the very reasons that oblige him to be holy make it a duty for him to show it by his outward acts in order to edify all those with whom he is obliged to come into contact. A composed and dignified exterior is a powerful eloquence which wins souls in a much more efficacious manner than persuasive sermons. Nothing inspires greater confidence than an ecclesiastic who, never forgetting the dignity of his state, demonstrates in every situation that gravity which attracts and wins universal homage.

“If, on the contrary, he forgets the holiness of the sacred character which he bears indelibly impressed and engraved on his soul, and if he fails to show in his outward conduct a gravity superior to that of certain men of the world, then he causes his ministry and religion itself to be despised. For when gravity is wanting in its leaders, the people lose respect and veneration for them.”
Ben Martin
What are the fruits of Vatican II?? 🚬
RomanCandle
I do not believe in corporal punishment for children but do realise that a father can become so grieved by a child’s wilful and ongoing disobedience that that child must regrettably be taken to their bedroom for a sound spanking. A disobedient child that cannot be reasoned with can cause great disruption to a family. Whenever the Society of St Pius comes before me, I see disobedience dressed up …More
I do not believe in corporal punishment for children but do realise that a father can become so grieved by a child’s wilful and ongoing disobedience that that child must regrettably be taken to their bedroom for a sound spanking. A disobedient child that cannot be reasoned with can cause great disruption to a family. Whenever the Society of St Pius comes before me, I see disobedience dressed up in fine religious garb.

At the very heart of the rift between the Vatican and the Society of St Pius X is the Second Vatican Council. I cannot begin to address the many reservations expressed by the supporters of the SSPX on this website regarding the Second Vatican Council, but I would like to address one core issue, and that is whether the Second Vatican Council was a dogmatic council or a pastoral council. Pope Paul VI stated that the Second Vatican Council was pastoral in nature; and from those words of Pope Paul VI, critics of Vatican Two have concluded that Vatican Two does not have the authority of other councils such as Trent and Vatican One. This conclusion is erroneous. Trent, Vatican One and Vatican Two are ecumenical councils, and as such, are authoritative and binding on all faithful Catholics.
tbswv
Vatican II was a Pastoral Council and not a Dogmatic Council, therefore what you need to believe to be a Catholic are the dogma's defined in previous councils: Council of Trent, Vatican I. The very pope who called the Council Pope John XXIII never, never desired Vatican II Council to subvert the doctrines of previous councils. As a matter of fact he desired the mass to be said in Latin. These …More
Vatican II was a Pastoral Council and not a Dogmatic Council, therefore what you need to believe to be a Catholic are the dogma's defined in previous councils: Council of Trent, Vatican I. The very pope who called the Council Pope John XXIII never, never desired Vatican II Council to subvert the doctrines of previous councils. As a matter of fact he desired the mass to be said in Latin. These misconceptions that are floating around only hurt the Church. Marcel Lefevre only rejected the abuses and novelties that resulted in the modernist interpretations.
Herdewelle
Oh wait... XD
Herdewelle
We don't reject Vatican II.
holyrope1
www.saltandlighttv.org/blogIn the middle of this video, priest speaks of the SSPX

How Do You Respond To God In The Way You Live Your Life

Here is another novus ordo priest who interviews the Superior General, Bishop Felley of the SSPX.
Miss Maria
👏 @kfarley.....what a great response! Love it.

😇 pax
Maria
kfarley
Bless you holyrope1 !
holyrope1
KFARLEY...YOU MENTION "LIKE WATCHING A PERVERSE PUPPET SHOW".... AND WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOUR POST OF "BROTHER" DIMOND..AS YOU PROMOTED HIS VIDEOS, A MAN WHO SAYS THE LAST 5 POPES WERE ANTI-POPES? 🤨
kfarley
This video is hillarious! Please everyone watch it! This is pro-SSPX and the speaker is making jokes and when the crowd applaudes he says, "you should not applaud somebody being schismatic!" It is like watching a pervese puppet show out of a childhood nightmare!