Ecumenical Patriarch: Holy Communion Does NOT Transmit Coronavirus

Bartholomew of Constantinople made it “crystal clear” that the Orthodox will not change the way Holy Communion is distributed, OrthodoxTimes.com (August 9) writes. Visiting the Russian St. Panteleimo…
AngelusMaria
I thought all the "learned elders" have unanimously decided that Covid is spread through water droplets, hence the mask. Are there water droplets coming out of the Sacred Hosts?
Ultraviolet
I saw what U did thar and I'm going to let it slide. ;-)
AngelusMaria
I honestly did just for you :)
Caroline03
Well done to the Patriarch -
If Our Lord had NOT chosen a Authority to govern His Kingdom during His absence I really would have preferred to attend the Orthodox Church - After reading above, it can be said that you are saintly and are setting a marvelous example - God Bless you.

I'll copy and paste this from another post -

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Well done to the Patriarch -
If Our Lord had NOT chosen a Authority to govern His Kingdom during His absence I really would have preferred to attend the Orthodox Church - After reading above, it can be said that you are saintly and are setting a marvelous example - God Bless you.

I'll copy and paste this from another post -

The new Orthodox Study Bible omits half of Isaiah 22:22 - the text quoted by Christ in Matthew 16:19' legitimising Peter as Christ's Chief Steward/Prime Minister. (A long standing custom for e Kingdom of Israel) When the King was absent He authorized a representative to govern in His stead.

The King of the House of David (Which Christ is forever ) historically chose a Prime Minister , gave him the Keys to the Kingdom and the Legal power to open/shut or bind/Loose Legislative Laws. This PM (Chief Steward) was given power to rule Israel in the Kings Absence.

Christ said to Peter in Matthew 16

[18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

www.drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm

Here is the text in Isaiah 22: that Christ clearly quoted from - thereby instructing Peter that he was to be Ruler in His absence.....

".....he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda. [22] And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. [23] And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father.
www.drbo.org/chapter/27022.htm

HOWEVER Isaiah 22 appears like THIS in the Orthodox Bible.... clearly missing the legitimate text used by Christ to allot His Chief Steward - the Pope. St Peter.

www.worldhistory.biz/download567/The_Orthodox_St…

20Then it shall be in that day, I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah. † 21 I will clothe him with your robe and give your crown to him, and I will commit your power and your stewardship into his hands. He shall be like a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and Judah. 22I will give him 23 the glory of David, and he shall rule, and no one will oppose him. 23I will establish him as a ruler in a trustworthy place, and he will become a glorious throne to his father's house.

Isaiah 22 according to the Dead Sea Scrolls which is known to be an authentic replica of the pre-Christian era Old Testament. It is clear from reading Isaiah 22 : 22 that the ancient Prime Minister text is incomplete in the Orthodox Study Bible -

"he will be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. 22 I will lay the key of David’s house on his shoulder. He will open, and no one will shut. He will shut, and no one will open. 23 I will fasten him like a nail in a sure place. He will be for a throne of glory to his father’s house. 24 They will hang on him all the glory of his father’s house, the offspring and the issue, every small vessel, from the cups even to all the pitchers."

dssenglishbible.com/isaiah 22.htm

why has the recent Orthodox Study Bible omitted the complete version of Isaiah 22:22 - historically given as proof that Our Lord picked Peter to be His Chief Minister in charge of ruling over His Church?

The shortened version they use is not an authentic Septuagint translation either - I have a copy of the Greek Septuagint version w. apocrypha on my shelves & that includes the full version of Isaiah 22:22
Arthur McGowan
It is heretical to say that the Sacred Species are PHYSICALLY different from unconsecrated bread and wine. And anyone who says that microbes are killed by physical contact with the Sacred Species is saying precisely that.
Caroline03
??? My post has not discussed the topic you are querying Arthur - perhaps you placed your reply in the wrong place? 😊 I'm the "check you've not got a heretical translation of Isaiah 22:22 in your Bible" poster - A heresy also - admittedly - but not linked with your comment in the slightest. ....... 😊
God Bless.
purificatio
Yes, Holy Communion may transmit coronavirus. Just as it may be harmful when given to those with coeliac disease. Just as the Holy Blood may cause problems for alcoholics.
V.R.S.
"just as the Holy Blood may cause problems for alcoholics" - is there any empirical proof of such hypothesis? Or is it only an impious speculation?
purificatio
Every recovering alcoholic priest knows it. The sacrament does contain alcohol. Catholic faith considers it accidental (not substantial) in the sacrament.
joseph33
If you have faith of the size of a mustard seed......
Ultraviolet
"Yes, Holy Communion may transmit coronavirus."
[citation of scientific study needed covering coronavirus transmission through the sacrament]

"Just as it may be harmful when given to those with coeliac disease."
Flawed conclusion based on a presupposition the communion bread is not already gluten free.

"Every recovering alcoholic priest knows it."
Are you psychic and can demonstrate a supernat…More
"Yes, Holy Communion may transmit coronavirus."
[citation of scientific study needed covering coronavirus transmission through the sacrament]

"Just as it may be harmful when given to those with coeliac disease."
Flawed conclusion based on a presupposition the communion bread is not already gluten free.

"Every recovering alcoholic priest knows it."
Are you psychic and can demonstrate a supernatural ability to discern what every person within a group knows? No?

Do you have a poll of "every recovering alcoholic priest" addressing this subject? No?

Then you don't know squat about what every recovering alcoholic priest knows.
V.R.S.
Another two comments deleted by my hater:
@joseph33
A mustard seed?... Man, that's much larger size than CORONAVIRUS!

@purificatio
Do you hold that the Blood of Christ is harmful to priests?
Arthur McGowan
It is heretical to say that the Sacred Species are PHYSICALLY different from unconsecrated bread and wine. And anyone who says that microbes are killed by physical contact with the Sacred Species is saying precisely that.
F M Shyanguya
Key concepts and words: Substance and Accidents

Summa Theologiae > Third Part > Question 75. The change of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ
Ultraviolet
Random Question: Are you going to copy-pasta the same reply under everyone's comment? @Arthur McGowan

"And anyone who says that microbes are killed by physical contact with the Sacred Species is saying precisely that."

Sure is Strawman fallacy in here. . A touch of Non-Sequitur fallacy, too. You're deriving a conclusion about what's supposedly being "said" absent the requisite premises

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Random Question: Are you going to copy-pasta the same reply under everyone's comment? @Arthur McGowan

"And anyone who says that microbes are killed by physical contact with the Sacred Species is saying precisely that."

Sure is Strawman fallacy in here. . A touch of Non-Sequitur fallacy, too. You're deriving a conclusion about what's supposedly being "said" absent the requisite premises

For example, the Sacred Species might still remain physically the same -and- the microbes might still be alive and well -and- they might remain right where they are according to His Will. No dead microbes and no transmission either. They just stay put. Why? Because God wills it. Entirely within the skill-set of an omnipotent being. ;-)

If we, as Catholics, accept as a given the miracle of Transubstantiation, The Lord simply refusing to allow His Sacred Body and Blood to be a vector for contagion is infinitely easier.

Do me a favour. Seriously, do this.

Get off your chair, go outside and look up into the night sky, first chance you get. Consider the sheer scale of the universe. After a point the size of the numbers surpasses the concrete imagination. Billions of light-years raised the "n-th" power. Everything that's out there, with all its staggering complexity came from 1 Genesis 7-8. "And God made the firmament... And God called the firmament Heaven."

If God tells some two-bit microbe "you stay put", guess what's gonna happen? ;-)
V.R.S.
I've always thought he is a schismatic bishop not an "ecumenical patriarch". I have also thought that "orthodox" means "one keeping the Catholic Faith" - therefore, someone rejecting the dogma on the Immaculate Conception cannot be labeled as "orthodox" (rather as "heretical"). My mistake - as @Ultraviolet has observed English is not my native language.
Ultraviolet
That heartbreaking moment when schismatic clerics are more faitfhul to the teachings of The Church than modern Catholic ones.
Arthur McGowan
It is heretical to say that the Sacred Species are PHYSICALLY different from unconsecrated bread and wine. And anyone who says that microbes are killed by physical contact with the Sacred Species is saying precisely that.
AngelusMaria
@Arthur Uhhhhh......didn't all the so-called "experts" agree that Covid is passed through water droplets and that's what those dang masks are for? So unless you are arguing that the Sacred Species emits water droplets, I think we can see that they don't transmit Covid.