Fr. Longenecker against Catholics who receive Communion on tongue kneeling. On July 19, convert and married priest Fr. Longenecker tweeted an accusation against Catholics. He begins by setting up an …More
Fr. Longenecker against Catholics who receive Communion on tongue kneeling.

On July 19, convert and married priest Fr. Longenecker tweeted an accusation against Catholics.

He begins by setting up an alternative: “Which is better?” It may turn out that neither option is good, as if one were to say: “Which is better? Dying by cyanide or dying by firing squad?”
Ultraviolet
...and since when did you become the Church arbiter of what is or isn't a priority F M Shyanguya ? Just because it isn't a priority for you, doesn't mean that's true for anyone else. Go back to bottom-feeding off Twitter. Oh. Almost forgot. You should look into DoubleList. I hear they've got some nice fantasy-fulfillers over there. Great rates, real profile photos, everything a guy like you …More
...and since when did you become the Church arbiter of what is or isn't a priority F M Shyanguya ? Just because it isn't a priority for you, doesn't mean that's true for anyone else. Go back to bottom-feeding off Twitter. Oh. Almost forgot. You should look into DoubleList. I hear they've got some nice fantasy-fulfillers over there. Great rates, real profile photos, everything a guy like you could possibly want.

Fr.Longenecker is behaving like many other militant Novus-Ordo. He's : taken a generous exception granted on behalf of their special pleading and, at the first opportunity, very arrogantly imposed it on everyone. What he's doing is contrary entirely against official Church policy. Oh yeah, almost forgot, it's also against any notion of Catholic charity. Then again, such piddling concerns are entirely beneath the self-invented "Magisterium" of Father YouTube Podcast Lecture Circuit.
F M Shyanguya
divide et impera
25+ comments so far.
Together with the recent VII discussions, these is how they are keeping the Traditionalists circles diverted and distracted whilst their monstrous, sinister, and diabolical agenda is being implemented.
Sorry, but these aren’t a priority at the moment.More
divide et impera

25+ comments so far.

Together with the recent VII discussions, these is how they are keeping the Traditionalists circles diverted and distracted whilst their monstrous, sinister, and diabolical agenda is being implemented.

Sorry, but these aren’t a priority at the moment.
Peter4God
Ofcoarse its a priority, because it is Christ centered rather than centered on a modernist like Fr. Longenecker, or any other priest. It is about how much reverence and respect is owed to the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. In the end nothing else matters, yes some may say that those that receive The Eucharist on the tongue can be hypocrites. But why not let God decide if thy are or …More
Ofcoarse its a priority, because it is Christ centered rather than centered on a modernist like Fr. Longenecker, or any other priest. It is about how much reverence and respect is owed to the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. In the end nothing else matters, yes some may say that those that receive The Eucharist on the tongue can be hypocrites. But why not let God decide if thy are or not, in the end we are only responsible for ourselves to get to heaven; that is priority number one, as far as ourselves are concerned. While, trying to get our own house in order, we are to help others without forgetting that we ouselves are not perfect either, since we too may also have been hypocrites, at some stage; and some of us probably still are, maybe not as much as before but its still there. In the end being reverential to Jesus in the Eucharist is the same as building God a Temple as they wanted to do in the Old Testament but it will never be to the grandiosity that God deserves that only exists in heaven and so in other words the reverence that is owed to God will never be attained here on earth it will only be done in heaven; here we can only do our best and let God take care of the rest.
F M Shyanguya
@Peter4God What does the Church allow?
Well, “happy” infighting.More
@Peter4God What does the Church allow?

Well, “happy” infighting.
Peter4God
No, the church does not allow happy infighting; erroneous, weak, wicked bishops and past popes alike, allow the happy infighting. Using your arguement one could say that God allowed the "happy infighting" between Abel and Cain there was no church to speak of from what we know but we do know that there was a manner of a ritual where God was worshipped and reverenced. Both Abel and Cain had choices …More
No, the church does not allow happy infighting; erroneous, weak, wicked bishops and past popes alike, allow the happy infighting. Using your arguement one could say that God allowed the "happy infighting" between Abel and Cain there was no church to speak of from what we know but we do know that there was a manner of a ritual where God was worshipped and reverenced. Both Abel and Cain had choices to make in how to worship God. Abel did what was asked Cain did not, is God to blame, ofcoarse not is Abel to blame, again ofcoarse not he did what God asked of him, so in the end Cain is the only one left, he refused to do what was asked and so he killed his brother. Why? possibly because he was jealous, or maybe because he, Cain could not sway his brother Abel to reverence God less as some people have been doing so since the time of Abel and Cain; and so we now have this "happy infighting" as you put it like Abel and Cain we each know in our own hearts how God is best worshipped within our own limited capabilities so to claim a right that has not been granted to all ie; the touching/handling of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist is one of them
RosaMystica15
We can say thousand of admonition against him. We could go on and on unstoppable, but would you continuously pray for at least your parish priest? It's true we should speak up and confront what is wrong. But if we spend ONE hour preaching about this and only spend 15 minutes meditating begging God to give us Holy Priests, what do you expect?
philosopher
Is Fr. Longenecker a mind reader? How does he know what is the inner disposion of someone who is recieving kneeling and on the tongue. Perhaps he has felt self-righteous and is projecting his sins on others.
Ultraviolet
"Is Fr. Longenecker a mind reader?" That's an astute point. I'm glad you brought it up. I would say no. He's just a loud-mouthed priest with a big following, podcasts, talk-radio, etc.. and he's let pride get the better of him. With his shaved head and full goatee he has more in common with this guy than any genuine psychic like the esteemed Gary Spivey. ;-)
CatholicAmerican
A priest should know better than to set up a tainted question like that one. It’s insulting and childish... and just about begs to get people to argue. Shameful.
I receive on the tongue, but,...NOT because I have a heart full of self righteousness, and because I feel I am a better Catholic than others. I receive on the tongue, because it is the solid tradition of the Church and because I do not …More
A priest should know better than to set up a tainted question like that one. It’s insulting and childish... and just about begs to get people to argue. Shameful.
I receive on the tongue, but,...NOT because I have a heart full of self righteousness, and because I feel I am a better Catholic than others. I receive on the tongue, because it is the solid tradition of the Church and because I do not want to chance having particles of the consecrated Host fall to the floor and be trampled underfoot.
CatholicAmerican
I receive on the tongue, because it is the solid tradition of the Church and because I do not want to chance having particles of the consecrated Host fall to the floor and be trampled underfoot.
CatholicAmerican
Also, kneeling before Jesus, the King, is most appropriate. If possible, I go to a Church with a Communion rail.
petrus100452
Even with the Communion on the tongue fragments get lost. Modern technology could show DNA of the hosts on every Communion rail where Communion is distributed on the tongue. So this argument is curious and artificial. Communion on the tongue is far more reverent than Communion on the hand but it may never be instrumentalized as a political means in a fight over a practice of the Church.
CatholicAmerican
It is absolutely not an artificial argument and I am certainly not getting into politics to support reception on the tongue. It is true that many particles of the Host are dropped on to the ground and trampled under foot as a result of the practice of receiving in the hand. There is a lot more movement of the Host by reception in the hands, so the chances are much greater.
I’ve heard a talk by a …More
It is absolutely not an artificial argument and I am certainly not getting into politics to support reception on the tongue. It is true that many particles of the Host are dropped on to the ground and trampled under foot as a result of the practice of receiving in the hand. There is a lot more movement of the Host by reception in the hands, so the chances are much greater.
I’ve heard a talk by a blessed person who lives solely on Holy Communion and the Precious Blood. It saddens the person to see reception in the hands, so the person only receives on the tongue, because of not wanting to chance having the consecrated Host, Jesus, falling to the floor and being trampled underfoot.
Scapular
Prefect Cardinal. Robert Sarah
Congregazione per il Culto Divino
e la Disciplina dei Sacramenti, 00120 Città del Vaticano
Your Eminence,
You give us great cause for joy. However, I am heartbroken to inform you that that those in influence do not listen to you. The unbelievable rational is “He is not the Pope and the Pope doesn’t ask us the same”. All the wisdom and discipline of the Church that …More
Prefect Cardinal. Robert Sarah
Congregazione per il Culto Divino
e la Disciplina dei Sacramenti, 00120 Città del Vaticano

Your Eminence,

You give us great cause for joy. However, I am heartbroken to inform you that that those in influence do not listen to you. The unbelievable rational is “He is not the Pope and the Pope doesn’t ask us the same”. All the wisdom and discipline of the Church that it is your duty to faithfully espouse, never reaches us the little ones in practical application.

It is with great sadness that our Bishop and clergy deny the faithful Holy Communion on the tongue. We will die rather than touch the Blessed Sacrament. Unbelievably through some fissure what was permitted is now ostensibly the normative or nothing.

"The coronaviris is easily spread through saliva. In celebrations of the Ordinary Form the Latin Rite, Holy Communion will only be administered in the hand because of the high risk of transmission if people receive on the tongue". Australian Bishops Conference

Please can you ask the Holy Father to address the whole Church on the reception of Holy Communion on the tongue and kneeling.

There is a movement of thought equating permission of Holy Communion on the hand to that of the legalisation of abortion. I do know, that I have rescued Our Lord destined only for the vacuum bag twelve times in our Cathedral, St Matthew 21:37 And last of all he sent to them his son, saying: They will reverence my son.

For the glory of God and for the sake of an end to abortion let us a least try to restore the former discipline of Holy Communion, the altar rail and communion plate. For both these persons the Blessed Sacrament and unborn are the “SILIENT” and voiceless of our community.

In gratitude
tbswv
Sounds like the good Padre has an axe to grind. Isn't this the same drivel we hear from Francis (pope humble)?
Scapular
Study this Excellent argument sspx.org/…/communion-in-th…
Alex A
Michael Davies was an excellent apologist for the faith being well respected both in Traditional and Conservative circles.
Scapular
I think the evil one uses this argument as there can be an element of truth to Father’s tweet. It has that demonic cunning slur. More so Father is mostly wrong on simple disposition. Kneeling emphasis "low in station or quality." We are Infinite lower than God and Inferior quality. No one in a caffe kneels for food because none off the options are Divine.
Ultraviolet
Protip: @Jmy1975 Nearly ALL the Church's sex-scandals filling the headlines today happened in Novus Ordo parishes. durr hurr... "That's some awesome reverence for Jesus Christ, huh?" :P
Trying to blame "the Old Latin Mass" priests who weren't celebrating it anymore doesn't work. Everything that's happened after Vatican Council II is all on you Novus Ordo types. This is what YOU have done to …More
Protip: @Jmy1975 Nearly ALL the Church's sex-scandals filling the headlines today happened in Novus Ordo parishes. durr hurr... "That's some awesome reverence for Jesus Christ, huh?" :P

Trying to blame "the Old Latin Mass" priests who weren't celebrating it anymore doesn't work. Everything that's happened after Vatican Council II is all on you Novus Ordo types. This is what YOU have done to the Church. These are YOUR reforms, YOUR priests, and Fr. Longenecker is Novus Ordo "tolerance" personified. He sounds just like YOU.

His attitude is typical of what comes of the special "indult" the Church gave to Novus Ordo Land. Communion in the hand was originally a liturgical aberation that became wide-spread in countries like Belgium, Holland, France, and Germany.(oh yeah, it's your old pals again!). The Church decided to indulge it simply because it couldn't eliminate the practice outright.

Communion in the hand may be licit, but it was re-introduced as a modern aberration Like all modern aberrations, it first begs for a special exception from the normal world. Then it spreads and the first chance it can indignatnly imposes itself on everyone else, Then there are no special exceptions. Witness: abortion and LGBT, They, too, find their greatest support within The Church among the Novus Ordo. "That's some awesome reverence for Jesus Christ, huh?" :P

Father Longenecker is ignorant of Church's own regulations for administering the Sacraments. He's got his methods of reception backwards. Communion on the tongue is THE default method of reception as listed in Redemptionis Sacramentum 92-95.

[92.] Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice, if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the recognitio of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her.


This priest's attitude and yours are just another painful reminder of why the Church should never "compromise" with those who are wrong. Not on communion in the hand, not on aborrtion, not on homosexuality, not on anything for any reason. Better your kind should seek your way outside the Church than to destroy it with your stupidity from within.
Jmy1975
@Ultraviolet my point: just because you're into the Latin mass doesn't mark you as a better person, just as participating in the NO doesn't make you a heretical. People committed unspeakable crimes during the Latin mass era and the new mass era. Reverence, one more time for the idiots out there, isn't always confirmed by outward signs of piety. Jesus Christ spent a lot of time on the hypocrisy of …More
@Ultraviolet my point: just because you're into the Latin mass doesn't mark you as a better person, just as participating in the NO doesn't make you a heretical. People committed unspeakable crimes during the Latin mass era and the new mass era. Reverence, one more time for the idiots out there, isn't always confirmed by outward signs of piety. Jesus Christ spent a lot of time on the hypocrisy of the "traditionalists" of his day. the ritual alone doesn't save the man.

Bye now !
Ultraviolet
Your "point" changes every time I correct it, you witless moron. EDIT: -and- so do your posts, after I've replied to them, you naughty little phoney. This isn't the first time, you've pulled either stunt when you've really dropped the ball. Both are standard tactics in your play-book of forum BS.
"The point I am making is that just because you're into the Latin mass doesn't mark you as a better …More
Your "point" changes every time I correct it, you witless moron. EDIT: -and- so do your posts, after I've replied to them, you naughty little phoney. This isn't the first time, you've pulled either stunt when you've really dropped the ball. Both are standard tactics in your play-book of forum BS.

"The point I am making is that just because you're into the Latin mass doesn't mark you as a better person..."

That wasn't the "point" you made at all. You conflated Vatican II's excesses with the last century's worth of priests. Now "duh point i'm makin is dat...".

Like hell it is. When your original point gets BTFO'd, at least have the grace to admit it. Don't re-write your post, either. That's as much an admission of guilt as any other. If nobody's replied, hey, that's what the edit button is for. But once someone -has- you don't go back and change things.

"just because you're into the Latin mass doesn't mark you as a better person,"

...and if THAT is your point, it's still irrelevant to the default licitness of receiving Communion on the tongue.

Your "point" is tangential support for the same erroneous argument this Novus Ordo priest is using to unlawfully deny parishioners what The Church states explicitly is their right.

"People committed unspeakable crimes during the Latin mass era and the new mass era."

...and the overwhelming worst of those happened in the New Mass era.

You're forgetting VC II has been around for nearly sixty years now. ;-)

Most of the priests who (as you claimed) "were brought up and even said the Old Latin Mass" are either retired or long dead.

If Father "x" was just 21 when he was ordained in 1962, he'll be 79 this year.

No, the "fruits" of Vatican Council II, including the abuse-scandal "fruits" come directly from "the spirit of Vatican Council II".

The rampant orgy of abuse that followed in the 70s and 80s, the basis for the overwhelming majority of lawsuits today, are Novus Ordo priests, doing decidedly Novus Ordo things in Novus Ordo parishes. This is all on you.

"Reverence, one more time for the idiots out there, isn't always confirmed by outward signs of piety."

One more time for only one idiot out there, that statement is no justification to unlawfully deny parishioners their rights under the Church's regulation.

"Nice try, Granite State Karen @uktraviolet but I'm right, you're wrong."

Redemptionis Sacramentum 92-95 says otherwise, you numbskull. To misquote you. The Catholic Church trumps your idiocy.

Oh, and one last thing... you're still wrong. My name isn't Karen. :D Even there you're still wrong.

Looks like you struck out three for three here, slugger. Your first point was worng, your second point, 'the point I'm making' was wrong and even this big "reveal" is worng.

You began in error, your point changed and it was still in error, and even your last "snappy" rejoinder remains in error.

It's a truism of you Novus Ordo types. Error defines you.

...it -does- excite me that you're trying to muck around online and find a real person behind my user-name.

Careful, home-boy... Don't make this personal. ;-)
philosopher
Excellent points -ultraviolet! Thanks for the missing piece that's always absent when this topic arises. Romano Amerio in Iotum Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the 20th century, mentions that reception of Holy Communion in the hand was regarded as illicit and brought to American Catholics through subterfuge and stealth by the head post Vatican 2 archbishop of the Bishops Conference …More
Excellent points -ultraviolet! Thanks for the missing piece that's always absent when this topic arises. Romano Amerio in Iotum Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the 20th century, mentions that reception of Holy Communion in the hand was regarded as illicit and brought to American Catholics through subterfuge and stealth by the head post Vatican 2 archbishop of the Bishops Conference. Several votes were taken on whether to allow standing communion in the hand following the trends in Holland and France. The majority of the bishops were against it with some writing that it would weaken and lead to a loss of faith. The lead bishop at the time began canvassing retired bishops to vote in favor of it and then changed the Bishops Conference rules to allow the more liberal retired bishops to vote. The next rallying vote to allow standing communion in the hand passed. Romano Amerio was a Thomistic scholar and a periti or advisor to the Second Vatican Council.
Ultraviolet
...a perfect example of what the first generation born under Vatican Council II called "That Spalding Touch". :D
Emiles00
no sense arguing with this troll. ignore him.
Ultraviolet
In all fairness to Jmy1975, he isn't a troll, Emiles00. He's argumentative and opinionated but seems sincere in both. Correcting error is always sensible and worthwhile lest they lead others into similar mistakes. ;-)
mccallansteve
Fr. Longenecker is a prophet! Apparently, he can read the hearts of those who want to show reverence to Christ by receiving as Catholics have always done; On the tongue. He knows their true motive is to show off!
Jmy1975
@Emiles00 I've been to the old latin mass. You know most of the abusive priests and bishops that have ruined the church over the past 100 years were brought up and even said the Old Latin Mass. That's some awesome reverence for Jesus Christ, huh?
The Russian Orthodox Church pretends to be very reverent. They're one of the most corrupt institutions on earth, next to the Catholic Church, of course.More
@Emiles00 I've been to the old latin mass. You know most of the abusive priests and bishops that have ruined the church over the past 100 years were brought up and even said the Old Latin Mass. That's some awesome reverence for Jesus Christ, huh?

The Russian Orthodox Church pretends to be very reverent. They're one of the most corrupt institutions on earth, next to the Catholic Church, of course.
Emiles00
Jmy needs a good dosage of the Old Latin Mass. There you're going to learn what REVERENCE is and means.
frawley
Virtue always seems to make those who chose to act without virtue uncomfortable. I guess all those who dress modestly for mass, genuflect, kneel for the consecration, wear a scapular ect. are just full of self righteousness and need to repent!
Jmy1975
Some are, I'm sure. Even Jesus noted that in scripture. @frawley
Jmy1975
@Peter4God what's in the heart is not always reflected by one's actions. Which is why we have liars and hypocrisy.
So there are plenty of good people who receive communion on the hand, and plenty who pretend to be pious , receive on the tongue and then judge others and live a selfish life.
That's why Jesus talke about hypocrisy so much. And that's also why we do our best, go to confession, and …More
@Peter4God what's in the heart is not always reflected by one's actions. Which is why we have liars and hypocrisy.

So there are plenty of good people who receive communion on the hand, and plenty who pretend to be pious , receive on the tongue and then judge others and live a selfish life.

That's why Jesus talke about hypocrisy so much. And that's also why we do our best, go to confession, and realize that, ultimately, JESUS, NOT MAN, JUDGES US.

Good luck.
frawley
jmy1975- "pretend to be pious, receive on the tongue and then judge others and live a selfish life" Isn't that judging???
Peter4God
What's in the heart is reflected externally by ones actions, so if one doesn't have enough reverence, for God to acknowledge that one should receive the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist on the tongue, because their hands are not consecrated to touch the Eucharist, then they will exhibit a less reverence of how to receive The Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ …More
What's in the heart is reflected externally by ones actions, so if one doesn't have enough reverence, for God to acknowledge that one should receive the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist on the tongue, because their hands are not consecrated to touch the Eucharist, then they will exhibit a less reverence of how to receive The Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist that being in the hand.
Jmy1975
I disagree. I believe what's in the heart matters. And if on the tongue is what your prefer, if that's great. If however, your stupid priest won't give you communion that way, say a little prayer for him, and yourself, and take it in the hand. Receiving Christ reverently is most important.
Even Longenecker doesn't get it.More
I disagree. I believe what's in the heart matters. And if on the tongue is what your prefer, if that's great. If however, your stupid priest won't give you communion that way, say a little prayer for him, and yourself, and take it in the hand. Receiving Christ reverently is most important.

Even Longenecker doesn't get it.
barefootgirl
Yes, receiving Christ reverently is what is most important. God sees into our hearts.