Ave Crux, spes unica
If a Catholic believes the Son of God suffered and died on the cross for his sins, that is enough for this specific part of the Faith, although incomplete. But if he inquires about the mystery of Salvation or asks more pointed questions concerning the Perpetual Sacrifice of the Mass, then one must tell him about the spiritual Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ that He revealed to many Saints and …More
If a Catholic believes the Son of God suffered and died on the cross for his sins, that is enough for this specific part of the Faith, although incomplete. But if he inquires about the mystery of Salvation or asks more pointed questions concerning the Perpetual Sacrifice of the Mass, then one must tell him about the spiritual Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ that He revealed to many Saints and Prophets.
Protestants often quote John 19:30 Everything is accomplished or ''It is finished'' to justify their position against the Sacrifice of the Mass.
But what has been accomplished? The work of Salvation in its entirety?
Or perhaps all the prophecies and other holy scriptures concerning the Passion of the Lord?
I would say this is the true answer: Everything the human Body of the Lord could suffer until He had no more blood to shed except what was left in his Heart.
John19:30 When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “All is accomplished.” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Only after:
John 19:32-34 So the soldiers came... to Jesus and saw that he was already dead... one of the soldiers thrust a lance into his side, and immediately a flow of blood and water came forth.
Then after the Resurrection:
John 20:27 Then He (Jesus) said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
I believe this is the greatest sign of the spiritual continuation of the Passion of Jesus that God gave us. Because if everything is finished, then Jesus could not have the wound on His side after the Resurrection, He should have only the wounds he received (at least) before His death, or before He said everything is accomplished.
There is also a defect in Protestant doctrine. Their teaching would mean the painful death itself (without the Passion and the long agony) of Our Savior and His loud scream would not be part of the work of Redemption since it occurred after he said ''everything is accomplished.''
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Protestants often quote John 19:30 Everything is accomplished or ''It is finished'' to justify their position against the Sacrifice of the Mass.
But what has been accomplished? The work of Salvation in its entirety?
Or perhaps all the prophecies and other holy scriptures concerning the Passion of the Lord?
I would say this is the true answer: Everything the human Body of the Lord could suffer until He had no more blood to shed except what was left in his Heart.
John19:30 When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “All is accomplished.” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Only after:
John 19:32-34 So the soldiers came... to Jesus and saw that he was already dead... one of the soldiers thrust a lance into his side, and immediately a flow of blood and water came forth.
Then after the Resurrection:
John 20:27 Then He (Jesus) said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
I believe this is the greatest sign of the spiritual continuation of the Passion of Jesus that God gave us. Because if everything is finished, then Jesus could not have the wound on His side after the Resurrection, He should have only the wounds he received (at least) before His death, or before He said everything is accomplished.
There is also a defect in Protestant doctrine. Their teaching would mean the painful death itself (without the Passion and the long agony) of Our Savior and His loud scream would not be part of the work of Redemption since it occurred after he said ''everything is accomplished.''
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Protestants missed the Seventh Ecumenical Council of Nicaea. They jump from St. Paul to Martin Luther.
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From what I have heard, Born Again Christians tend to insist that Christ should not be depicted upon the Cross as He is RISEN! They tend to believe that He suffered ONCE for all to be saved, and they denounce Roman Catholics for permanently keeping Jesus upon the Cross "when He is now always Risen!"
We are aware that there is a great deal more to everything that that. As the old saying goes......…More
From what I have heard, Born Again Christians tend to insist that Christ should not be depicted upon the Cross as He is RISEN! They tend to believe that He suffered ONCE for all to be saved, and they denounce Roman Catholics for permanently keeping Jesus upon the Cross "when He is now always Risen!"
We are aware that there is a great deal more to everything that that. As the old saying goes......"No Cross, no Heavenly CROWN! No Good Friday, no Resurrection upon Easter Sunday."Just as Christ could not save us without suffering Crucifixion upon the Cross, not one of us can expect to achieve the Kingdom without experiencing a pronounced degree of spiritual & also sometimes physical suffering.
He is permanently offered to the Father as a perpetual sin atonement during the Mass - just like during the era of the Old Covenant, each time a sin was committed a lamb was slain.
Catholic Mass is the DAILY Sacrifice - as referred to by Daniel the Prophet.
Due to this understanding, Catholics, historically know that it is not a good thing to be ashamed of Jesus being depicted Crucified, as it is a reminder not only of our sin atonement, but it is also a permanent reminder of what immense suffering we, as His followers, can expect to undergo if we are to remain united with Him. Sometimes it will be Suffering, similar to His own, even unto death on a Cross. If we do not suffer like Christ PHYSICALLY, we are still likely to face a vast amount of SPIRITUAL Crucifixion. For a Bride must resemble her Husband.
Oftentimes, those who DON'T like to see images depicting Christ's Passion, follow what is called a "Prosperity Gospel" where financial blessings and good fortune are said to come to those who are TRULY "born again".
I don't think it is being unfair to suspect that some people are not happy to look upon a Crucifix, because they can not bear to meditate upon the suffering that Christ undertook to save our souls - proof of His all-encompassing, self-sacrificing love.. It is said that Christ would suffer it all again if just ONE of us could be saved by it. So, we are CALLED upon to recall His suffering and Crucifixion as often as possible - and also to console Him in His perpetual sorrow as He beholds the world and sees what terrible evil is taking place in it because mankind does not want to serve God.
We must love Him in His suffering AND then rejoice in His Resurrection. Which is helped by praying the Rosary. Christ said "Blessed is he who is not offended because of Me!" (Matthew 11:6)
We are aware that there is a great deal more to everything that that. As the old saying goes......"No Cross, no Heavenly CROWN! No Good Friday, no Resurrection upon Easter Sunday."Just as Christ could not save us without suffering Crucifixion upon the Cross, not one of us can expect to achieve the Kingdom without experiencing a pronounced degree of spiritual & also sometimes physical suffering.
He is permanently offered to the Father as a perpetual sin atonement during the Mass - just like during the era of the Old Covenant, each time a sin was committed a lamb was slain.
Catholic Mass is the DAILY Sacrifice - as referred to by Daniel the Prophet.
Due to this understanding, Catholics, historically know that it is not a good thing to be ashamed of Jesus being depicted Crucified, as it is a reminder not only of our sin atonement, but it is also a permanent reminder of what immense suffering we, as His followers, can expect to undergo if we are to remain united with Him. Sometimes it will be Suffering, similar to His own, even unto death on a Cross. If we do not suffer like Christ PHYSICALLY, we are still likely to face a vast amount of SPIRITUAL Crucifixion. For a Bride must resemble her Husband.
Oftentimes, those who DON'T like to see images depicting Christ's Passion, follow what is called a "Prosperity Gospel" where financial blessings and good fortune are said to come to those who are TRULY "born again".
I don't think it is being unfair to suspect that some people are not happy to look upon a Crucifix, because they can not bear to meditate upon the suffering that Christ undertook to save our souls - proof of His all-encompassing, self-sacrificing love.. It is said that Christ would suffer it all again if just ONE of us could be saved by it. So, we are CALLED upon to recall His suffering and Crucifixion as often as possible - and also to console Him in His perpetual sorrow as He beholds the world and sees what terrible evil is taking place in it because mankind does not want to serve God.
We must love Him in His suffering AND then rejoice in His Resurrection. Which is helped by praying the Rosary. Christ said "Blessed is he who is not offended because of Me!" (Matthew 11:6)