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Cardinal Joseph Zen on EWT
If the good shepherd did not have his arms crossed... If he had his arms extended for the redemption of the world, we could trust him more. On this pectoral cross of Pope Francis, he is not the good shepherd. In China, the sheep are delivered to the enemy. John 10, 12-13
Lalanz likes this.
The Papal Ferula isn't exactly inspiring, either.
"Zen knows that Bergoglio is a formal heretic..."

...and Thor demonstrates his psychic powers to discern via telepathy what Cardinal Zen knows. Most of us mundane and non-avian users on GTV must simply rely on Cardinal Zen's comments and he's never said that about Pope Francis. Thors Catholic Hammer however, knows better. He can read minds and knows what Cardinal Zen thinks.

Unless, …More
"Zen knows that Bergoglio is a formal heretic..."

...and Thor demonstrates his psychic powers to discern via telepathy what Cardinal Zen knows. Most of us mundane and non-avian users on GTV must simply rely on Cardinal Zen's comments and he's never said that about Pope Francis. Thors Catholic Hammer however, knows better. He can read minds and knows what Cardinal Zen thinks.

Unless, of course, I'm overlooking a more simple explanation like...

a.) Thor met Cardinal Zen
b.) Thor spoke with Cardinal Zen about Pope Francis
c.) Cardinal Zen confided in Thor all this information and
d.) Thor has proof that a.) through c.) truly happened.

Personally, the former seems the more likely possibility. ;-)
Lalanz
Any person with any common sense, even a 10yr old, can simple observe Francis and tell that he is not real...even this parrot in the photo...as Catholics we have lost the sense of instinct, gut feeling, about people. Especially observing a false Pope. There is no way that a street smart Catholic can look 👀 at Francis and not have a gut feeling that he is not real...
".as Catholics we have lost the sense of instinct, gut feeling, about people." That's where you're wrong, @Lalanz His fiercest critics still recognize Francis is Pope. Cardinal Burke for example. We don't have to like Pope Francis to recognize 1.) Benedict XVI resigned 2.) The Curia elected Francis.
Lalanz
Hammer your right, why are we the only few that see it so clearly? In others words, God has allowed Francis to be in that seat showing us what a true fake Pope looks and acts like. God clearly is showing what a non Catholic leader looks like through Francis and his cohorts. Please Lord wake up the remaining Catholics so they can’t see things clearly....
Lalanz
St Cuthbert Mayne
Seriously what concrete evidence do you have that Francis is the real Pope, besides going along with the herd of sheep? Seriously your operating On Disbelief. There is more evidence by Francis’s non catholic actions, that he is not the Pope...from when he became public, write down all the non Catholic statements and actions this man has done...I find your comment to be very …More
St Cuthbert Mayne
Seriously what concrete evidence do you have that Francis is the real Pope, besides going along with the herd of sheep? Seriously your operating On Disbelief. There is more evidence by Francis’s non catholic actions, that he is not the Pope...from when he became public, write down all the non Catholic statements and actions this man has done...I find your comment to be very rude and can smell the stench of spiritual pride from here. If you do the proper research and stop be lazy, you find out that Francis is a free mason...
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Lalanz
And for all the feminists Catholic priests/ bishops/ cardinals out there, your days are numbered and American Catholics are slowly reducing all funding for your wicked operations...
@Lalanz "what concrete evidence do you have that Francis is the real Pope, besides going along with the herd of sheep? Seriously your operating On Disbelief."

When you assume Francis is not the "real Pope", that technically is in fact, "operating on disbelief"
Lalanz
Ultraviolet, when any Catholic, especially the so called “pope” denounces the Faith publicly by his action or words, is no longer catholic. There is canon law backing this up... if one denounces the Faith, by his action or words, he is no longer Catholic. It’s not disbelief, it’s reality.... Thor and I are just simply calling it like it is. There is no such thing as 2 popes, no 2 Saint Peters, …More
Ultraviolet, when any Catholic, especially the so called “pope” denounces the Faith publicly by his action or words, is no longer catholic. There is canon law backing this up... if one denounces the Faith, by his action or words, he is no longer Catholic. It’s not disbelief, it’s reality.... Thor and I are just simply calling it like it is. There is no such thing as 2 popes, no 2 Saint Peters, Jesus very clearly stated to watch for the signs of the times. We have come to a point in history that even the Protestants look at Francis and do not believe Francis is Pope..it’s sad that most modern day Catholics are this stupid...
Lalanz
Ultraviolet, if I told you in 2002 that Donald Trump was going to be the next president, by simply observing his actions and words, at that time you would think I was stupid or really out of my mind, but he became president. Francis has a gigantic sign on his forehead that reads, “ I am not the Pope”...
"There is canon law backing this up... if one denounces the Faith, by his action or words, he is no longer Catholic." - @Lalanz

Your words. Quoted. It's an interesting premise. Consider the following.

The Council of Laodicea in 365 AD stated, “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.” St. Cyril of Alexandria echoed these same sentiments when he said, “It is therefore unlawf…More
"There is canon law backing this up... if one denounces the Faith, by his action or words, he is no longer Catholic." - @Lalanz

Your words. Quoted. It's an interesting premise. Consider the following.

The Council of Laodicea in 365 AD stated, “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.” St. Cyril of Alexandria echoed these same sentiments when he said, “It is therefore unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite yourself to their communion.” Likewise, the Council of Carthage in the fifth century decreed, “One must neither pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: let him be excommunicated.”
fatima.org/…/catholics-apolo…

Got that? Good. Now let's remember who was praying with Muslims.

www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Pope-prays-with…
www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m012rpRatzinger…

And who was kissing the Quran which denies the divinity of Christ.
novusordowatch.org/…/john-paul2-kiss…
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/…/john-paul-ii-ki…

If praying with mere heretics profanes and excommunicates a Catholic, what of praying with outright blasphemers?

Who's the pope, now Lalanz? Go ahead and "call it like it is". ;-)

"There is no such thing as 2 popes, no 2 Saint Peters."

I agree with you. Benedict XVI resigned. The Curia elected Pope Francis as his successor. Now I'm not happy with that fact, but that doesn't change who got elected.

"Ultraviolet, if I told you in 2002 that Donald Trump was..."

Please don't invent imaginary predictions you didn't make and imaginary thoughts I didn't have.
Lalanz
The election was fraudulent and will eventually surface in the future
Lalanz
Not my Trump imagination, there is past footage over the years of Trump hinting at running for president. All it takes is a good judge of character to know what is going on...again street smarts
My street smarts is telling me you didn't answer the question. Who is the pope, Lalanz?

If you say Francis is not the real Pope, then who is? Who is the Pope?

"Not my Trump imagination, there is past footage over the years of Trump hinting at running for president."

You can't show that you believed those hints.
You just say it now.

You can't show that you said Trump would win before…More
My street smarts is telling me you didn't answer the question. Who is the pope, Lalanz?

If you say Francis is not the real Pope, then who is? Who is the Pope?

"Not my Trump imagination, there is past footage over the years of Trump hinting at running for president."

You can't show that you believed those hints.
You just say it now.

You can't show that you said Trump would win before the election.
You just say it now.

Street smarts is very useful for detecting a scam.

Thor's habit of telling lies is rubbing onto you, Lalanz. Bad habits from bad company. Either way, you made-up my reaction to your made-up prediction.

"The election was fraudulent and will eventually surface in the future"

Cool story, bro. Needs moar fruity unicorns dancing on rainbows.
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Lalanz
The real Pope is Benedict, he is being held hostage by the homosexual mafia/free mason clergy....
Lalanz
Nothing made up here, Fr.Nicholas Gruner and the Fatima center is one of my sources...hundreds of videos of creditable people with real facts about Francis and his fake operations...
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Lalanz
Ultraviolet, let’s be real, can you honestly, collectively, over the past 8 years analyze all of the actions and words that have come out of Francis mouth and still believe he is Pope? Seriously, nothing about this man is Catholic...show one thing that has branded him Catholic...he is a Liberal communist, George Soros puppet that has ties to the United Nations...basic common sense should kick in,…More
Ultraviolet, let’s be real, can you honestly, collectively, over the past 8 years analyze all of the actions and words that have come out of Francis mouth and still believe he is Pope? Seriously, nothing about this man is Catholic...show one thing that has branded him Catholic...he is a Liberal communist, George Soros puppet that has ties to the United Nations...basic common sense should kick in, when you hear the phrase, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. The Sham of the Francis pontiff will ultimately fall and it will be proven that Pope Benedict was the Pope the entire time, and God will rebuild his church from the Ground up
Lalanz
Ultraviolet please watch this video and disprove what these men have researched
Lalanz
Lalanz
"The real Pope is Benedict, he is being held hostage by the homosexual mafia/free mason clergy...."

Using Thor's standards, Benedict XVI is a "self-excommunicated heretical anti-pope". Therefore, the "real pope" can't be Benedict XVI.

"Nothing made up here, Fr.Nicholas Gruner and the Fatima center is one of my sources...hundreds of videos"

YouTube, the 21st century's answer to 20th century …More
"The real Pope is Benedict, he is being held hostage by the homosexual mafia/free mason clergy...."

Using Thor's standards, Benedict XVI is a "self-excommunicated heretical anti-pope". Therefore, the "real pope" can't be Benedict XVI.

"Nothing made up here, Fr.Nicholas Gruner and the Fatima center is one of my sources...hundreds of videos"

YouTube, the 21st century's answer to 20th century huckstering:
"Ultraviolet, let’s be real, can you honestly, collectively, over the past 8 years analyze all of the actions and words that have come out of Francis mouth and still believe he is Pope?

To answer your question bluntly, Lalanz , that is not t how the Papacy works. The office of Pope is not magic. Bad Popes get elected from time to time. Occasionally very bad Popes get elected. This is historica…More
"Ultraviolet, let’s be real, can you honestly, collectively, over the past 8 years analyze all of the actions and words that have come out of Francis mouth and still believe he is Pope?

To answer your question bluntly, Lalanz , that is not t how the Papacy works. The office of Pope is not magic. Bad Popes get elected from time to time. Occasionally very bad Popes get elected. This is historical fact.

I have explained this dozens of times to your buddy Thor. I repeat: Francis is not a good Pope. Francis is a bad Pope. But Francis is still Pope.

There have been other bad Popes. Using a narrow reading of Church Law, there have been other heretical Popes. As I showed you just a few posts ago, technically Benedict XVI is "guilty" of heresy and "automatically excommunicated" as well.

Either we hold ALL popes to the same standards of Church Law and teachings or we do not.

Either we condemn EVERY pope who supposedly breaks Church law or we give them all the benefit of the doubt.

Don't just fixate on Francis. This is what Thor does.

Benedict XVI was also modernist and helped to bring about Vatican Council II. People have found much of Benedict XVI's writings as Pope to contain heresies and contradict established Church teachings. Other critics find the same for John Paul II.

If you decide to hold Francis to a standard, then hold Benedict XVI to that SAME standard. And John Paul II to that SAME standard. No exceptions.

Hold Francis to the same standard you hold Bendict XVI and John Paul II.

Either ALL THREE are heretics and anti-popes or they are not.

"basic common sense should kick in, when you hear the phrase, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS."

That is your standard of common sense? Fair enough. Then hold John Paul II to that standard. There he is, kissing the blaphemous Quran

Then hold Benedict XVI to that standard. There he is praying in a mosque with muslims.
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Zen is just another cardinal, like Burke , Brandmuller and Muller, who continue to support an antiChrist type figure pretending to be a pope.
These people are not men but fearful spiritual eunuchs.
You can't talk like that about this hero. Go through what he has had to go for decades, facing the monster, and, then, ask permission to refer to him in a challenging, but respectful, way. In the mean time, have a little reverence for true heroism... Please
No.
Zen knows that Bergoglio is a formal heretic and enemy of the church yet continues to support him as a “pope”.
Zen is therefore a coward.
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tizamary
These are not the actions of a coward Thor. Same goes for Burke and the others
Lalanz
Someone Who is all talk and no action, is a coward period!!!
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