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We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently


We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

Like I said yesterday we are in the same Catholic Church but the two popes and all the bishops and cardinals interpret magisterial documents differently from me.

Yet I am not in a rupture with the past magisterium of the Church nor denying any magisterial document issued by any of the popes. Nobody can accuse me of rejecting the Nicene and Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church,Dominus Iesus etc.
And I admit that the two popes and all the cardinals and bishops would say that they too affirm all these mentioned magisterial documents.
I would agree that they do but point out that they interpret these documents with an irrational premise of which they are not aware of.I avoid the premise.
So their interpretation of Vatican Council II for example, is a rupture with the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century.For me there is no rupture.
Their interpretation of the Nicene Creed says ' I believe three or more known baptisms, desire, blood and invincible ignorance and they exclude the baptism of water'.For me it is 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and it is only one known baptism, the baptism of water'.So there is no rupture with the past for me.
They deny the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.Since for them the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are examples of known salvation outside the Church. I do not deny the Athanasius Creed since BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible and unknown cases for me in 2017. So they cannot be objective examples of salvation outside the Church for me.Doctrinally and theologically I am not in a break with the past.
They use a false premise to interpret magisterial documents i.e invisible people are visible,unknown cases of the baptism of desire etc are known. I avoid this irrationality.Hypothetical cases for me are just hypothetical. Theoretical cases are not practically seen in the present times for me.
They violate the Principle of Non Contradiction by assuming people saved in Heaven are also visible on earth.For me if any one was saved with BOD, BOB and I.I with or without the baptism of water, it would be an unknown case. It would only be known to God.So it is a 'zero case' in our reality, as the apologist John Martignoni put it.
The baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus agrees Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, the Italian scientist-Rector of the Pontifical University of St Anselm, Rome.
Many priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular in Rome, whom I have contacted agree with me.


So I yesterday wrote the following.
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are the popes.I accept this. But I affirm the dogma EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II is a not a rupture with the dogma EENS as it was known to the magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century for me. It is not so for them. I affirm the Nicene Creed but without the irrational premise. So I am not affirming the Nicene Creed like the two popes. Similarly I accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But unlike the two popes and most bishops and priests I do not interpret the Catechism (1994) with an irrational premise.
This is not an issue of conservative and liberal,traditionalist and heretic.This is something overlooked in the Church. Even the Polish, Hungarian and African bishops are mistakenly interpreting Church documents with the premise which comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.


-Lionel Andrades

MAY 22, 2017


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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/collegiality-in-vatican-council-ii-is.html

Catholics needs to work for the separation of State and secularism and the non separation of Church and State even if opposed by Fr.Spadero s.j and the Vatican

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JUNE 15, 2017

An ethical and political issue for the Polish Governmenteucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/an-ethical-and-…

JUNE 14, 2017

Polish Ambassadors to Vatican and Italy ask the Vatican to correct the errors on Wikipedia


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JUNE 13, 2017
Polish Ambassadors to Vatican and Italy need to be asked about Franciscans of the Immaculate and rules for religious communities
eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/polish-ambassad…

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gloria.tv/article/vxqCuhQPr26r1YKfKLjA7ySRP

Polish President Andrzej Duda must note that Cardinal Muller is teaching false doctrine which is politically motivated

Polish President Andrzej Duda must note that Cardinal Muller is teaching false doctrine which is politically motivated

POLAND IS CONSECRATED TO CHRIST THE KING BUT THE LAWS ARE SECULAR AND PRO-SATAN


Poland is consecrated to Christ the King but the laws are secular and pro-Satan

POLISH PARLIAMENT STOP THE FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE FROM BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT IRRATIONAL DOCTRINE
Polish Parliament stop the Franciscans of the Immaculate from being forced to accept irrational doctrine
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Dignitatis Humane is not an issue with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) : English bishops are Cushingites
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gloria.tv/article/sRo1ZguveZoG21Tex9fZkg2Q3


Motion in Polish Parliament (Sejm) needed supporting the Tridentine Rite Mass

Motion in Polish Parliament (Sejm) needed supporting the Tridentine Rite Mass

European Parliament approves Traditional Latin Mass with new ideology
European Parliament approves Traditional Latin Mass with new ideology

Poland consecration to Christ the King : Collegiality in Vatican Council II is no more an issue when there is unity on correct doctrine
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POLISH BISHOPS AND PRESIDENT ARE ALSO PART OF 'THE FALSE CHURCH': INTERPRET THE CATECHISM(1995) DIFFERENTLY

Polish bishops and President are also part of 'the false church': interpret the Catechism(1995) differently

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gloria.tv/article/Wy3YZ3eZwzjH6dLyeQ2GEpMrU

BISHOP SCHNEIDER DID NOT TELL THE POLISH PEOPLE THAT JOHN PAUL II MADE A THEOLOGICAL MISTAKE.VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE EXCLUSIVIST ECCLESIOLOGY OF THE PAST

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On this old ecclesiology in harmony with Vatican Council II Poland, now consecrated to Christ the King, can proclaim His Social Reign over all political legislation

On this old ecclesiology in harmony with Vatican Council II Poland, now consecrated to Christ the King, can proclaim His Social Reign over all political legislation

The Polish Church and government could interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism there would be the ecclesiology of the past with no salvation outside the Church in 2017

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Andrzej Duda President of Poland does not note the split between Church doctrine and State in Poland because of Cushingism

Catholic Church in Poland also uses the new theology of Pope Benedict, Cushingite theology: results in separation of Church and State
Catholic Church in Poland also uses the new theology of Pope Benedict, Cushingite theology: results in separation of Church and State

The non separation of Church and State theologically depends on Feeneyite Vatican Council II and EENS : 'false church' is blocking it

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gloria.tv/article/2sS1XEQauRo2AZz91v6EF9xWV
Two popes irrational and in heresy : Archbishop Gullickson, Fr.Visintin osb correct

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gloria.tv/article/metY6fnzBKhh1Ms3wskGZ6xdj

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