Cardinal Brandmüller: Roman Rite Was Not Perfect, Liturgical Reform Needs Proper Implementation

Curia Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, 96, one of the last witnesses of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), spoke with Katholisch.de on November 13. Key points.

- During the Council, many were electrified.

- The Council did not bring the hoped-for new vitality to the Church.

- In the years following the Council, the Church in Germany and other countries went downhill to an extent that had been unimaginable before.

- After the Council, a great deal was called into question. Suddenly, nothing seemed to be valid anymore.

- Theological faculties no longer taught truly Catholic theology.

- The Zeitgeist took hold of the results of the Council and reinterpreted them. Mostly, only “the spirit of the Council” was quoted.

- “But actually”, the Council produced very good results.

- The Council’s principles of liturgical reform were good and right.

- The so-called Tridentine Mass is by no means perfect. There are some things that need to be corrected.

- What later led to the split of the “traditionalists,” however, were the excesses of the post-conciliar period.

- In some [?] places, the liturgy ended in arbitrariness and chaos, mostly unchallenged.

- If the liturgical reform had been implemented correctly, the new longing for the old form would hardly have existed.

- The texts Nostra aetate and Dignitatis humanae are dated and partly outdated.

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Mike the PikeNov 13

"If the liturgical reform had been implemented correctly, the new longing for the old form would hardly have existed."
Socialists say the same thing about Socialism: "it has never worked because socialism has never been implemented correctly."

la verdad prevaleceNov 13

Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium are heretical and apostate documents. They promote the heresy of religious indifferentism. The heretics who infiltrated the Council rendered it heretical because it contains heretical documents fabricated by homosexual heretics, such as Nostra Aetate, upon which the post-conciliar ecumenical apostasy is based.

la verdad prevaleceNov 13

Wasn't the heretical Second Vatican Council supposed to be merely pastoral? The Bergoglio-Prévot synodal sect uses the same cunning argument to violate Divine Natural Law, Catholic morality, and the First Commandment. It is a schizophrenic "pastoral" approach that contradicts God's Natural Law and all His Commandments.
The heretical modernists have deceived us into believing that the Novus Ordo was simply a translation of the Latin Mass, when in reality it is a completely opposite rite that permits apostasy, while the Latin Mass does not allow modernist modifications. And the center is the sacrifice of Christ. Therefore, wherever the Novus Ordo is celebrated, we witness not only liturgical abuses but also the desecration and sacrilege of churches. Kneelers were removed so that people would not kneel before Christ; because now the worship is of man, not of God.
For example, the Novus Ordo opened the doors to paganism in the churches with the apostate ecumenical movement, and now, with Bergoglio, it has opened the doors to the promotion of sodomy and total apostasy that we are witnessing today.

K R RossNov 13edited

Yes, now Vatican II, ‘the gift that keeps on giving’, is in a new category, all by itself, (like Arianism was—“the whole world groaned and woke to find itself Arian”): ‘supra-infalliballistic’. Like a missile, its upward trajectory is just getting started. Remember it took 150 years for a ‘fractured yet intact’ Church to finally put the Western Schism in the rear view mirror.

la verdad prevaleceNov 13

It became a monster, a super-council that nullified all Catholic doctrine prior to the Council, violating the First Commandment, as well as the Sixth and Ninth, in the name of a schizophrenic pastoral approach. It was as if the Church had begun after the Council, and the other Popes, the Magisterium, even the Virgin Mary and the other saints were completely annulled.

K R RossNov 13

The Cognitive Dissonance Council. Don’t worry everything is fine, Mme la Marquise!!

Mike the PikeNov 13

How does the Vatican measure the success or failure of Vatican II? When can we take an honest appraisal of "the fruits" of Vatican II ?

la verdad prevaleceNov 13

The modernists are the judges. It's like putting thieves in charge of judging themselves.

la verdad prevaleceNov 13

The fruit of this rebellion against God and the Church was moderate modernists and liberal modernists. That is why the heretic Leonardo Boff said that Bergoglio was the pope of the rupture, since Pope Benedict invented the term "hermeneutics of continuity" to conceal the schism with the true pre-Vatican II Church, but the liberal extremists hated the "conservative" modernists. This is why there was a rivalry between the radical modernists and Popes Benedict XVI and John Paul II for their pro-family and anti-homosexual stances. But unfortunately, both participated in the ecumenical heresy of religious indifferentism.

OrthocatNov 13edited

Golly, not the old trope: "the [2nd Vatican] Council hasn't REALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED yet. You wait and see, when it is we'll have that "new Pentecost/Springtime of the Church." Yeah, pull the other one... 60+ years of devastation, and they think "reforming harder" will be the grand fix. Just like those delusional Commies in our midst!

DJRESQNov 13

@Orthocat "Golly, not the old trope: "the [2nd Vatican] Council hasn't REALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED yet."
We've been hearing that since the death of Pope Paul VI.
What it entails is this:
The bishops who comprised Vatican II drew up the documents of Vatican II, voted in their favor, and then went back to their respective dioceses and did not correctly implement their own documents that they voted in favor of.
It's absurd.
Vatican II was implemented correctly, and the chaos we see today is the correct implementation of Vatican II.
The fact that we are in turmoil doesn't mean that Vatican II was not correctly implemented; it just means that Vatican II was a mess from the get-go.

K R RossNov 13edited

“The Council’s principles of liturgical reform were good and right” says Cardinal Brandmuller.
Perhaps, but given the intense Masonic and modernist activity to penetrate, and to corrupt every aspect of dogmatic theology, Catholic moral theology, and the liturgy, the time was not opportune for true Catholic liturgical reform which was, in effect, hijacked. Look at the Hussites, Communion under both Species (not a bad thing in itself; the hidden heretical intent of the Hussite Utraquists was), and the Council of Constance resulting in the execution of Jon Hus who went to defend himself.
Cardinal Ottaviani’s vision of liturgical reform in the rejected conciliar schemas was not implemented. His was a call for ‘accidental change’ (in the scholastic philosophical sense of non-consequential externals) to remove the unnecessary accretions that had built up over the centuries (and to improve true Catholic interior participation at Mass [ie. that the faithful be taught, and learn to sing the parts of the Gregorian Kyriales that pertain to them, to teach ecclesiastical , Latin to lay people, etc. KC do all with the goal of improving the congregation’s liturgical participation NOT substantial intrinsic-changes (ie. scrape the barnacles off the boat to “streamline” the boatandcto improve seaworthiness vs. “burn the boat, keep the barnacles”). Bugnini’s masonic “interpretation” of Vatican II on the Liturgy was to “burn the barnacles and the boat” and to replace the “Barque of St. Peter” (TLM) with “leaky arm floaters” (NOM).
Calling Vatican II, not to condemn heresy, but “to open itself to modern world”, a kind of reverse secular evangelization experiment is to tempt God. This was a spur of the moment imprudent decision by John XXIII. He was a mason initiated when he was apostolic nuncio to Turkey in Istanbul.
The rotten fruit of Vatican II (cause and effect) is now crystal clear for everyone that has eyes to see see (except the ‘boiled frog.’ How can anyone argue that Vatican II is a “good tree” when there is only catastrophically “bad fruit” all around us. Bad tree>bad tree. Good fruit>good tree. Simple. Not hard…Jesus, Our Divine Saviour, taught us this litmus test for Catholicity Himself.