“The Third Secret, it’s terrible. It is something that has troubled me this whole year. It has robbed me of my spiritual peace and tranquility."
"On 11 July 1977 as Cardinal Albino Luciani, he had the opportunity to speak with Sr. Lucia of Fatima for an hour and a half. This conversation struck the future Pope, who said to Lucia’s personal interpreter: “I want nothing to do with the Vatican. The devil is in the Vatican.” He also said, “The Third Secret, it’s terrible.” But Lucia evidently revealed much more to Cardinal Luciani. It appears that she told him he would be Pope, and it is also possible she told him he would be murdered. After he became Pope John Paul I, he told his theological advisor Don Germano Pattaro the following: “It is something that has troubled me this whole year. It has robbed me of my spiritual peace and tranquility. Ever since that pilgrimage, I have never forgotten Fatima. What Sister Lucy told me has become a weight on my heart. I sought to convince myself that it was all an illusion. I prayed to forget about it…The thought was just too huge, too embarrassing, too contrary to my whole being. It was unthinkable, and yet Sister Lucy’s prediction has turned out to be true. Here I am. I am Pope…If I live, I shall return to Fatima to consecrate Russia to the Blessed Virgin, in accordance with the instructions She gave to Sister Lucy.” Pope John Paul I didn’t live. After discovering that over 100 members of the Roman Curia were high-ranking Freemasons, including his own Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Jean-Marie Villot, Pope John Paul I planned to purge the Vatican of its corruption, but died mysteriously before he could, after only 33 days in office." - John Salza, How Seven Popes Failed to Consecrate Russia, Rome, 2012, pdf. p 15 (edited)
Bazsó-Dombi Attila firstable you or anyone else have no proof of the fable about sr Lucia impostor. Second I'm not that much experienced in demonology so can you please give an example of God allowing the devil to make true prophecies for the benefit of the Church?
@Rafal_Ovile 1. You boringly repeat yoursef about the S. Lucy-gate... 2. If you accept the Holy Bible as a credited source, for example read Acts 16,16-18: As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to …More
@Rafal_Ovile 1. You boringly repeat yoursef about the S. Lucy-gate... 2. If you accept the Holy Bible as a credited source, for example read Acts 16,16-18: As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation." And this she did for many days. But Paul was annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour.
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila : it's reported that she said the consecration of Russia is not valid. They would never have bothered themselves to replace Sister Lucia in order to get this result that is against the conciliar church.
@LiveMike : I don't know, many Popes didn't consecrate Russia before him too validly as you said. He could have done like them and I'm not sure at all about what he would have done.
Live Mike Russia was already consecrated what sr. Lucia confirmed satisfied Heaven and Soviet Union already converted from atheistic communism... In addition, I've read on Salza's and Siscoe's page "true and false pope" canonic reflection and to my dismay it contains few logical errors to cunningly advance the peaceful and universal acceptance of "pope" Francis which reality completely contradicts …More
Live Mike Russia was already consecrated what sr. Lucia confirmed satisfied Heaven and Soviet Union already converted from atheistic communism... In addition, I've read on Salza's and Siscoe's page "true and false pope" canonic reflection and to my dismay it contains few logical errors to cunningly advance the peaceful and universal acceptance of "pope" Francis which reality completely contradicts... Unfortunately, these american spin doctors (one is "former" freemason) seem to have substantial negative influence on FSSPX position to the fact of peacefully accepting potential anti-pope and Destroyer of the Church..
@Rafał_Ovile Salza's research would disagree with your opinion. So would the official archivist of Fatima - Father Joaquin Alonso. No... Russia has not embraced the Catholic Faith and thus cannot possibly be said to have converted. Father Joaquin Alonso, probably the foremost Fatima expert of the 20th Century, had unrestricted access to Sister Lucy and her writings. In 1976, after 10 years of …More
@Rafał_Ovile Salza's research would disagree with your opinion. So would the official archivist of Fatima - Father Joaquin Alonso. No... Russia has not embraced the Catholic Faith and thus cannot possibly be said to have converted. Father Joaquin Alonso, probably the foremost Fatima expert of the 20th Century, had unrestricted access to Sister Lucy and her writings. In 1976, after 10 years of intense study, Fr. Joaquin Alonso wrote: “… we should affirm that Sister Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religions, rejecting the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.”- La Verdad sobre el Secreto de Fatima, Fatima sin mitos, Father Joaquin Alonso, (2nd edition, Ejercito Azul, Madrid, 1988) p. 78. English translation by Joseph Cain. Original Spanish reads: “… podriamos decir que Lucia ha pensado siempre que la conversión de Rusia no se entiende solo de un retorno de los pueblos de Rusia a la religion cristiano-ortodoxa, rechazando el ateismo marxista y ateo de los soviets, sino que se refiere pura y llanmente a la conversion total e integral de un retorno a la unica y verdadera Iglesia, la catolica-romana.”
Live Mike Please cite one Fatima seer transmitting the words of Our Lady about conditional embracement of the Catholic Faith by Russia... Father Joaquin Alonso is only expressing his opinion.
Please pardon me for laughing out loud at the attempt to diminish or to disparage the credibility of, or to belittle perhaps the greatest expert on Fatima who ever lived. In 1966 the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, saw the necessity and urgency of defending the authentic Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Bishop Venâncio, alarmed by growing attempts to revise and reinterpret the …More
Please pardon me for laughing out loud at the attempt to diminish or to disparage the credibility of, or to belittle perhaps the greatest expert on Fatima who ever lived. In 1966 the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, saw the necessity and urgency of defending the authentic Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Bishop Venâncio, alarmed by growing attempts to revise and reinterpret the Message of Fatima, officially commissioned Father Joaquin Maria Alonso, a learned Claretian priest, with the task of writing a complete critical history of the apparitions, messages and revelations of Fatima. AS THE OFFICIAL ARCHIVIST WITH UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO SR. LUCIA AND HER WRITINGS, he did a complete critical history of Fatima over everything that happened. The priest wrote a veritable encyclopedia on the subject - 24 volumes (800 pages per volume referencing 5,396 documents) @Rafał_Ovile I'm sorry but Fr. Joaquin Alonso's words on this point are CANON as an impeccable source. Yes, that was his opinion and an opinion which should be held aloft as true without any doubt whatsoever.
13 February 2005 - After Sr. Lucy’s death, the Carmelites of Coimbra went through and classified her archives that contained unpublished manuscripts. Thanks to these documents, they wrote and published a voluminous biography of the seer, under the title of “Um caminho sob o olhar de Maria” [A Path under the Gaze of Mary], Carmel Publications, October 2013. The quotation from Sr. Lucia in the book …More
13 February 2005 - After Sr. Lucy’s death, the Carmelites of Coimbra went through and classified her archives that contained unpublished manuscripts. Thanks to these documents, they wrote and published a voluminous biography of the seer, under the title of “Um caminho sob o olhar de Maria” [A Path under the Gaze of Mary], Carmel Publications, October 2013. The quotation from Sr. Lucia in the book is astonishing: “I felt my spirit inundated by a mystery of light that is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of a lance [the tip of the spear] like a flame that is detached, touches the axis of the earth, and it trembles: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, the rivers, the clouds, exceed their boundaries, inundating and dragging with them, in a vortex, houses and people in a number that cannot be counted. It is the purification of the world from the sin in which it is immersed. Hatred, ambition, provoke the destructive war. After I felt my racing heart, in my spirit a soft voice said: ‘In time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. In eternity, Heaven!’ This word ‘Heaven’ filled my heart with peace and happiness in such a way that, almost without being aware of it, I kept repeating to myself for a long time: Heaven, Heaven.” - Antonio Socci, August 17, 2014; See also Chris Ferrara’s summary of same, August 27,2014NOVITA’ APOCALITTICHE DA FATIMA (L’ULTIMO MISTERO: IL SILENZIO DELLE SUORE, MA CHI TACE…) - Lo Straniero
Live Mike with all due respect to your argument of authority I am aware of the difference between a fact and opinion. Father Joaquin Alonso surely didn't make his pronouncement "ex cathedra." More
Live Mike with all due respect to your argument of authority I am aware of the difference between a fact and opinion.
Father Joaquin Alonso surely didn't make his pronouncement "ex cathedra."
Just me which soul is potentially closer to being saved? A Russian Orthodox who is fulfilling orthodox and natural law in following God Christ or an American Catholic who is breaking the natural and Church law following anti-pope and false prophet?
Just me Fr. Hesse has a few lectures on youtube in which he explains how to make distinctions between potency and act... The fact that most good Catholics lack the ability to make metaphysical distinctions makes cognition of reality very difficult for them...
Just me you see objectively we know that only Saints are saved and in Heaven... Does the Church teach that everyone outside the Church are damned, including those who never had a chance to hear about God?
