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"On 11 July 1977 as Cardinal Albino Luciani, he had the opportunity to speak with Sr. Lucia of Fatima for an hour and a half. This conversation struck …
giveusthisday
Oh, Dear God, You gave us a good pope and he was murdered! Please have mercy on us! Dear Mary, Mother of the Church, pray for us!
Laura Yunque
Who knows?
Dante Alighieri
I do not think there was an imposture Sr Lucia. It is based on facial recognition, not holiness, behavior, or false prophecies or false doctrine. The "false" one apparently spent years of seclusion in a convent, praying (or what? Not talking her head off, confusing us like Francis). There could be an anti-Lucia if these things were evident, but there is no evidence of such. Therefore, God seems to …More
I do not think there was an imposture Sr Lucia. It is based on facial recognition, not holiness, behavior, or false prophecies or false doctrine. The "false" one apparently spent years of seclusion in a convent, praying (or what? Not talking her head off, confusing us like Francis). There could be an anti-Lucia if these things were evident, but there is no evidence of such. Therefore, God seems to be, how can we possibly say it? Deceiving us? or causing us to wonder about the actual workings of the Holy Spirit? Next, she predicts John Paul I would be Pope, and that he would be murdered before he could consecrate Russia to Our Lady. Only a problem if you think he cannot be a pope because Vatican Council II was Satanic. Novus Ordo too, based on the story I read today about the priest he prohibited from saying TLM in Venice. What if that does not in fact make you a heretic? And it seems to prove she is the real deal, not a counterfeit. Have not heard about this before. Also, his death, if by murder and not heart attack, is usually attributed to Vatican Bank shenanigans. But here it seems to have to do with the 100 Freemasons in the Curia, which we kind of know about from Bishop Édouard Gagnon, whose report uncovered these things for Paul VI, but who would not deal with it and left it for his successor to handle. It makes more sense this way. (Will still have to verify all the facts.) Lots to unpack here. Applies double to JPII!
Bazsó-Dombi Attila
"And who knows which is which and who is who?!" Did Luciani met the real or the fake S. Lucy?!
Live Mike
Could a fake Sr. Lucia tell the future? It must have been the real Sr. Lucia.
Bazsó-Dombi Attila
Even devils are able to make prophecies, if God let them.
Rafał_Ovile
Bazsó-Dombi Attila firstable you or anyone else have no proof of the fable about sr Lucia impostor. Second I'm not that much experienced in demonology so can you please give an example of God allowing the devil to make true prophecies for the benefit of the Church?
Bazsó-Dombi Attila
@Rafal_Ovile
1. You boringly repeat yoursef about the S. Lucy-gate...
2. If you accept the Holy Bible as a credited source, for example read Acts 16,16-18:
As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to …More
@Rafal_Ovile
1. You boringly repeat yoursef about the S. Lucy-gate...
2. If you accept the Holy Bible as a credited source, for example read Acts 16,16-18:
As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation." And this she did for many days. But Paul was annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour.
Live Mike
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila the citation does not indicate a future prophecy.
Bazsó-Dombi Attila
@Live Mike!
HAHAHA! I wrote about prophecy, not about future!
Ludovic Denim
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila : it's reported that she said the consecration of Russia is not valid. They would never have bothered themselves to replace Sister Lucia in order to get this result that is against the conciliar church.
Ludovic Denim
But at the same time, he chose the names of John and Paul like his two predecessors that opened and did the Vatican 2's council...
Live Mike
I suspect that if he were in league with the bad guys, then he would have lived.
Ludovic Denim
@LiveMike : I don't know, many Popes didn't consecrate Russia before him too validly as you said. He could have done like them and I'm not sure at all about what he would have done.
The New Knights Templar
@Live Mike Is this talk copyrighted or is it okay to download it for further reference?
Live Mike
It was public domain at the time that it was downloaded from youtube
The New Knights Templar
Thank you!
Live Mike
John Salza, How Seven Popes Failed to Consecrate Russia, Rome, 2012, pdf
Rafał_Ovile
Live Mike Russia was already consecrated what sr. Lucia confirmed satisfied Heaven and Soviet Union already converted from atheistic communism... In addition, I've read on Salza's and Siscoe's page "true and false pope" canonic reflection and to my dismay it contains few logical errors to cunningly advance the peaceful and universal acceptance of "pope" Francis which reality completely contradicts …More
Live Mike Russia was already consecrated what sr. Lucia confirmed satisfied Heaven and Soviet Union already converted from atheistic communism... In addition, I've read on Salza's and Siscoe's page "true and false pope" canonic reflection and to my dismay it contains few logical errors to cunningly advance the peaceful and universal acceptance of "pope" Francis which reality completely contradicts... Unfortunately, these american spin doctors (one is "former" freemason) seem to have substantial negative influence on FSSPX position to the fact of peacefully accepting potential anti-pope and Destroyer of the Church..
Live Mike
@Rafał_Ovile Salza's research would disagree with your opinion. So would the official archivist of Fatima - Father Joaquin Alonso. No... Russia has not embraced the Catholic Faith and thus cannot possibly be said to have converted.
Father Joaquin Alonso, probably the foremost Fatima expert of the 20th Century, had unrestricted access to Sister Lucy and her writings.
In 1976, after 10 years of …More
@Rafał_Ovile Salza's research would disagree with your opinion. So would the official archivist of Fatima - Father Joaquin Alonso. No... Russia has not embraced the Catholic Faith and thus cannot possibly be said to have converted.
Father Joaquin Alonso, probably the foremost Fatima expert of the 20th Century, had unrestricted access to Sister Lucy and her writings.
In 1976, after 10 years of intense study, Fr. Joaquin Alonso wrote:
“… we should affirm that Sister Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religions, rejecting the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.”- La Verdad sobre el Secreto de Fatima, Fatima sin mitos, Father Joaquin Alonso, (2nd edition, Ejercito Azul, Madrid, 1988) p. 78. English translation by Joseph Cain. Original Spanish reads: “… podriamos decir que Lucia ha pensado siempre que la conversión de Rusia no se entiende solo de un retorno de los pueblos de Rusia a la religion cristiano-ortodoxa, rechazando el ateismo marxista y ateo de los soviets, sino que se refiere pura y llanmente a la conversion total e integral de un retorno a la unica y verdadera Iglesia, la catolica-romana.”
Rafał_Ovile
Live Mike Please cite one Fatima seer transmitting the words of Our Lady about conditional embracement of the Catholic Faith by Russia...
Father Joaquin Alonso is only expressing his opinion.
Live Mike
Please pardon me for laughing out loud at the attempt to diminish or to disparage the credibility of, or to belittle perhaps the greatest expert on Fatima who ever lived. In 1966 the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, saw the necessity and urgency of defending the authentic Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Bishop Venâncio, alarmed by growing attempts to revise and reinterpret the …More
Please pardon me for laughing out loud at the attempt to diminish or to disparage the credibility of, or to belittle perhaps the greatest expert on Fatima who ever lived. In 1966 the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, saw the necessity and urgency of defending the authentic Message of Our Lady of Fatima. Bishop Venâncio, alarmed by growing attempts to revise and reinterpret the Message of Fatima, officially commissioned Father Joaquin Maria Alonso, a learned Claretian priest, with the task of writing a complete critical history of the apparitions, messages and revelations of Fatima. AS THE OFFICIAL ARCHIVIST WITH UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO SR. LUCIA AND HER WRITINGS, he did a complete critical history of Fatima over everything that happened. The priest wrote a veritable encyclopedia on the subject - 24 volumes (800 pages per volume referencing 5,396 documents) @Rafał_Ovile I'm sorry but Fr. Joaquin Alonso's words on this point are CANON as an impeccable source. Yes, that was his opinion and an opinion which should be held aloft as true without any doubt whatsoever.
Live Mike
13 February 2005 - After Sr. Lucy’s death, the Carmelites of Coimbra went through and classified her archives that contained unpublished manuscripts. Thanks to these documents, they wrote and published a voluminous biography of the seer, under the title of Um caminho sob o olhar de Maria” [A Path under the Gaze of Mary], Carmel Publications, October 2013. The quotation from Sr. Lucia in the book …More
13 February 2005 - After Sr. Lucy’s death, the Carmelites of Coimbra went through and classified her archives that contained unpublished manuscripts. Thanks to these documents, they wrote and published a voluminous biography of the seer, under the title of Um caminho sob o olhar de Maria” [A Path under the Gaze of Mary], Carmel Publications, October 2013. The quotation from Sr. Lucia in the book is astonishing:
“I felt my spirit inundated by a mystery of light that is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of a lance [the tip of the spear] like a flame that is detached, touches the axis of the earth, and it trembles: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, the rivers, the clouds, exceed their boundaries, inundating and dragging with them, in a vortex, houses and people in a number that cannot be counted. It is the purification of the world from the sin in which it is immersed. Hatred, ambition, provoke the destructive war. After I felt my racing heart, in my spirit a soft voice said: ‘In time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. In eternity, Heaven!’ This word ‘Heaven’ filled my heart with peace and happiness in such a way that, almost without being aware of it, I kept repeating to myself for a long time: Heaven, Heaven.” - Antonio Socci, August 17, 2014; See also Chris Ferrara’s summary of same, August 27,2014 NOVITA’ APOCALITTICHE DA FATIMA (L’ULTIMO MISTERO: IL SILENZIO DELLE SUORE, MA CHI TACE…) - Lo Straniero
Rafał_Ovile
Live Mike with all due respect to your argument of authority I am aware of the difference between a fact and opinion.
Father Joaquin Alonso surely didn't make his pronouncement "ex cathedra." 😇More
Live Mike with all due respect to your argument of authority I am aware of the difference between a fact and opinion.

Father Joaquin Alonso surely didn't make his pronouncement "ex cathedra." 😇
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile
The Forgotten Dogma: No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church by Father Isaac Mary Relyea
youtu.be/IV3WmTADnyE
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile There is no other True Church or Faith than The Holy Catholic Church. Every Catholic should know this. Why would Christ and His Holy Mother lead many souls from their cults to The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. And I have seen many people talk about how Christ or His Holy Mother led them out of their cult to The Catholic Church. Amazing stories and for many years I have …More
@Rafał_Ovile There is no other True Church or Faith than The Holy Catholic Church. Every Catholic should know this. Why would Christ and His Holy Mother lead many souls from their cults to The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. And I have seen many people talk about how Christ or His Holy Mother led them out of their cult to The Catholic Church. Amazing stories and for many years I have watched and listened to them. Especially those that fought Catholicism the most.
Rafał_Ovile
Just me which soul is potentially closer to being saved? A Russian Orthodox who is fulfilling orthodox and natural law in following God Christ or an American Catholic who is breaking the natural and Church law following anti-pope and false prophet?
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile I would have to say, neither. No one outside of the Catholic Church is saved. If they are Russian Orthodox or any other, does not matter. No one outside of The Catholic Church means No One at all. They can be close to fulfilling their laws and everything else. But it is not GOD'S Laws! They turned on GOD and His laws by making up their own. All because they were unhappy with The One …More
@Rafał_Ovile I would have to say, neither. No one outside of the Catholic Church is saved. If they are Russian Orthodox or any other, does not matter. No one outside of The Catholic Church means No One at all. They can be close to fulfilling their laws and everything else. But it is not GOD'S Laws! They turned on GOD and His laws by making up their own. All because they were unhappy with The One True Catholic Faith. But if maybe we should pray for their conversion, they just might be saved in the end.
Rafał_Ovile
Just me Fr. Hesse has a few lectures on youtube in which he explains how to make distinctions between potency and act... The fact that most good Catholics lack the ability to make metaphysical distinctions makes cognition of reality very difficult for them...
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile I have heard Father Hesse's talks for many years. Unfortunately I have forgotten most of them. 😭 🤐
Rafał_Ovile
Just me you see objectively we know that only Saints are saved and in Heaven... Does the Church teach that everyone outside the Church are damned, including those who never had a chance to hear about God?
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile I think if the dogma is, no one outside The Catholic Church will be saved, must mean they are condemned. After all, every orthodox, Greek and Russian and protestant and so on, all abandoned Christ and His teaching to make up their own. And then there are those like the muslims that will kill you for even speaking about it.
So there is no way they can be saved. They don't even believe …More
@Rafał_Ovile I think if the dogma is, no one outside The Catholic Church will be saved, must mean they are condemned. After all, every orthodox, Greek and Russian and protestant and so on, all abandoned Christ and His teaching to make up their own. And then there are those like the muslims that will kill you for even speaking about it.

So there is no way they can be saved. They don't even believe in most of what we believe. You don't take a gift from GOD (our Faith) and throw it back in His Face all because you are unsatisfied or can't deal with the truth. Too hard maybe for them? Whatever their excuse is. It is not right. And they are against GOD and His laws and Commandments.

But as far as those that never had a chance to hear about GOD, I can't recall what is said about that. It was just explained a few months ago by someone on gtv. But I didn't get a chance to read it. I had all the intentions of doing so because my nephew asked me but I had forgotten about what happens. So this I don't know about. Maybe @Live Mike would know. I think he would.
Ivan Tomas
@Rafał_Ovile, with all due respect to your argument of "already consecrated" Russia I am aware of the difference between a fact and opinion.