The Vatican is NO longer the Catholic Church
Never thought I could say this words, never thought this would happen in my lifetime, my Church has rebelled against God and His Teachings, God’s Commands and all the Blood spilled from our Lord to the Apostles and the Martyrs; the Vatican, where the seat of St Peter is, has embraced anathema for themselves with a smile.
So much betrayal has been seen, from “pope” Francis spitting our Lord in His face by doubting His Divine nature, proclaiming to the whole world that false religions NO longer needed evangelization, that NO one else outside of Catholics needed to hear the Good News of Jesus Christ, instead, Francis started a “new path”, one that’s centered in men, seeking to please them, not God: the synodal church.
Sadness I encounter now, since according to Leo XIV, NO religion has the entire truth, thing which Francis ambiguously always tried to hint out, but never did so clearly until Leo did… Anathema they have sought so desperately and now they have found it, their fruits (…More
Christ founded the HOLY, ROMAN, APOSTOLIC, CATHOLIC Church. If Christ founded it, then it is divine, eternal and indefectible. It cannot change and it cannot fall. The frail human administration may at times weaken its effect but it will always be the Catholic Church because the Holy Ghost is protecting it. Christ may seem to be sleeping in the boat during the storm, but, as it was then, it is a TEST of our faith.
God founded man, it cannot change, and it cannot fall.
Infallibility of man.
There is no defection with man.
Luke 24:25
And he said to them: O foolish, and slow of heart to believe in all things which the Prophets have spoken.
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist"
A hypothetical question can no longer be asked: IS THE POPE CATHOLIC?
@Carol H We are all equal authorities. Only in the case of dogmatic statements do we believe that the Pope has special assistance from the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, we are perfectly capable of judging his assertions. We can be wrong, of course, in our judgement but you cannot assume that in advance.
petrus100452: You are more modernist than the modernists. "We are all equal authorities"? No, we are not. The Church teaches that we, as subordinates, cannot pass judgement on our superior. We may resist his personal judgements if they seemingly contradict the faith, but we are not allowed to declare on the state of his soul. St. Thomas Aquinas calls such insubordination 'subversive'. When I find the reference source I will post it.
“El Anticristo, hija mía, se apoderará de Roma. Hay muchos secuaces del Anticristo; y él quiere sentarse en la Sede“.La ira del Padre se aproxima, y mi Corazón está transido de dolor. Las profecías que yo he dado hace mucho tiempo, hija mía, a Melania y a Bernardita se van a cumplir. Estamos en el fin de los fines, en el fin de los tiempos, hija mía, y no encontramos almas para ser apóstoles de los últimos tiempos (Prado Nuevo)
“Rome will lose the faith and becomes the seat of the antichrist.” This line was NEVER in the original message of La Salette. It is made-up. Worse, they are the very words of Martin Luther. Do not listen to these protestant words. Christ promised that the gates of hell would not prevail; that the Catholic Church - upon the rock - is indefectible.
Carol... yo and I ARE the Catholic Chruch, not the synodal church, Rome NO longer holds the faith... tell me Carol, when Apostle Paul says for our Lord to return APOSTASY needs to happen in 2 thes 2, is he saying such rebellion is about the world? Not the Church? It only makes sense that our Lord came the 1st time because the old Church had the keys of the Kingdom BUT they had it shut for everybody and themselves, it is highly logical, the 2nd time of His coming, the Top brass of the Catholic Church would be nothing but a den of vipers whom embraced everything that isn't catholic... Is not just Pachamama anymore, they are saying the Church is not the holder of the Truth, even Francis put in doubt the Divinity of our Lord, he even said our Lady wasn't born holy and now Leo says she is not the Co redemptrix and mediator of all graces.
One more comment from yuca2111
The Holy Roman Catholic Church IS the mystical body of Christ: eternal and divine. And the St. Peter of 33AD is the same St. Peter of 2025AD; a mixture of divine authority and human frailty. Three times St. Peter denied his Lord and Saviour. And yet Christ still chose him to be the head of His Church; the HEAD of the mystical body of which we are all members. And despite over two thousand years of enemy infiltration, the Ship continues to float. Because the Holy Ghost is at the tiller fulfilling God's promise of protection and victory. Pope Leo may be a weak Pope, but not one doctrine of what was taught at the beginning of the Church's history has changed. This is miraculous and tells us that this is our time to step up and re-enforce the traditional liturgy and spirit back into the Church of Rome and help save our fellow Catholics.
Appointing gay promoters left and right akeen to James Martin, closing the latin mass through proxies, saying the catholic Church no longer has the truth and now saying those lies about our Lady... "weak pope" IS a strech.
Read the entire article again, ive said the Vatican is full of enemies, I did not say the catholic church is dead, as we are the catholic Church, all we need is good priests and avoid the beautiful lies from the apostates.
“Rome will lose the faith and becomes the seat of the antichrist.” This line was NEVER in the original message of La Salette. What do you mean by Original? It is made-up. Made up by who? Worse, they are the very words of Martin Luther. Luther said “Antichrist is the pope and the Turk together; … the spirit or soul of Antichrist is the pope, his flesh or body the Turk.”
“Rome will lose the faith and becomes the seat of the antichrist.” were the words of Our Lady.
Do not listen to these protestant words. (The Bible also?) Christ promised that the gates of hell would not prevail (over the Church); that the Catholic Church - upon the rock - is indefectible (and people like him and her, thanks to God, have made that possible).
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the antiChrist" are NOT the words of Our Lady. You have been played. They are the sediments of all the Protestant Revolutionaries.
unitypublishing.com/prophecy/fake-salette.htm
“...nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny.” (Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197)
“Though it be admitted that Rome was once the mother of all Churches, yet from the time when it began to be the seat of Antichrist it has ceased to be what it was before. Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman Pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt .. I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy.” (Institutes of the Christian Religion, Vol.3, p.149)
John Knox (1505 – 1572)
“Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of Antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons.” (Works by Cranmer, vol.1, pp.6-7)
I could go on and on.
That the Mystical Body of Christ (with St. Peter as the head) is indefectible is a doctrine of the Church: the doctrine of the indefectibility of the Church, was articulated by Pope Pius XII in the dogma "Mystici Corporis Christi," 1943.
@Carol H for the sake of argument let's say that you are right... But when Prophet Daniel says the daily sacrifice would be stopped for 1290 days, what sacrifice do you think he means? The cookies and grape juice some protestants gives at their church? What about in Revelations when the star wormwood falls... Do you think is Bon Jovi?
What about the warning Apostle Paul gives in 2 thes 2, in which he says specifically about someone giving instructions Explorer? comimg from them (the Apostles), who do you think such apostasy come from? And who such apostate resembles the Apostles more than the Bishops? Dora the explorer?
There's a reason why they’re doing this, to open things up for the antichrist so when he reveals himself the Church would not resist him entering the Holy place, EVEN popes of the past knew eventually the top brass will anathema themselves, thats why they had checks and balances, but not anymore, as since Vatican II things slowly drifted to laziness and Francis expedited things, and his boy is following papa Bergoglio's lead.
So NO, even bible prophesy says the city of the 7 hills will fall.
The city of the 7 hills is Jerusalem - it has already fallen. Rome has risen in its ashes.
If the Church teaches that the Church is indefectible, then it is indefectible. 1290 days = (roughly) 3.5 years. This is clearly at the time of the actual anti-Christ - the great world-wide persecution. We do not know for sure what this means, but what do know is that the Catholic Church will continue on - possibly an underground movement headed by the Holy Father. Daniels actual words are "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away..." (Dan. 12: 11). This sounds like it is universally outlawed for 3.5 years. We are not there yet...
Planting the Muslims back into Christian countries is the first phase towards this 3.5 nightmare.
@Carol H it seemed you are dying on your hill, it only took you to read city of 7 hills to pivot, and say we are not there yet a few times when the goal is for you to see, that bible teaching speak many times about a fallen star as a high bishop.
Wormwood, fallen star, the beast of the earth etc are all references to a high bishop, the one in Rome...Did you know the Church has certain parts of its history without an actual pope and the longest time was actually 3 years? Both Francis and Prevost are both novus ordo established priests and both are false profets, not "weak" popes... they are antipoes due to their fruits.
Anyways, whatever i say won’t suffice for you, so pls continue along, I won’t stop you, pachamama leo will continue his sneaky destruction and you'll continue your blind obedience like many who just won’t see his fruits as a tell sign. Many blessings, this the end of this conversation.
@Carol H some people have done works on the 3 & 1/2 years.
1 Corinthians 10:11
And all these things chanced to them in figure: but they are written to our correption, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Matthew 24:15
Therefore when you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, standing in the holy place...
Additionally, things normally play out spiritually first.
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist" are the words of Our Lady of La Salette. About the index, it was due to opposition by the opposition. Don't forget some messages of Our Lady of Fatima were known in 1917. Then more put down later. Then later to be revealed around 1960.
From False Witness to Calumny
@Carol H your link: "THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SECRET OF LA SALETTE
"..., the true Secret of La Salette has never been made public. Many Catholics sadly continue to be misled by the false and unapproved 'secret' drawn up by an embittered Melanie Calvat in 1879, a gross distortion of the original version she wrote in 1851."...
You and those like you then also said that the message was "drawn up by an embittered Melanie Calvat in 1879, a gross distortion of the original version she wrote in 1851."
"..., the true Secret of La Salette has never been made public." because Melanie was embittered and distorted the original version.
Uni Versum 2: Sorry, this is not Calumny. The facts are as they are: This line "Rome will lose the Faith..etc is a 1879 corruption of the original and legitimate message recorded in 1951. And this corrupted version was officially condemned and placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Vatican.
Wrote Brother Thomas Mary Sennot: "Our Lady at La Salette did not say, "Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of Antichrist." The (original) message of La Salette was against working on Sundays and the profanation of the Holy Name of Jesus. Our Lady at this time gave a secret to each of the two seers, Maximin Giraud and Melanie Mathieu, which they were forbidden to reveal. They later wrote them out to be read only by Pope Pius IX. Despite this prohibition, Melanie, much later, decided to publish what purported to be her "secret" on her own, which was so sensational that it brought great discredit to the apparition itself. On December 21, 1915 the Holy Office forbade further publication or discussion of Melanie's (later) revelations (for more on this see article at virgin.net/crc.english/salette.htm)"
I don't like the use of the word 'embittered' either, however it is a historical fact that Melanie was forbidden to reveal the secret (other than to the Holy Father) and yet years later violated this prohibition with a sensational version that Pope Pius IX (who was in possession of the original secret) clearly did not approve of. It seems to me Melanie was a simple soul whoes mind was worked on by outside influences.
yuca 2111: Wormwood, the fallen star, the beast of the earth etc are all references to a high bishop, I agree. But it does not mean the Pope. Historically, it is referencing the Schismatic Eastern Church which was heavily infiltrated by the Joos and broke with Rome under their influence. It was from the once glorious Byzantine church that all the revolutionary poison of the Renaissance and Protestantism originated from. Wormwood is the name of a poisonous plant so the name is very fitting.
You have been side-lined by that false line of La Salette. Let go of that, and the true interpretation of Scripture becomes clearer.
@Carol H
John 8:44
...He was a man-killer from the beginning, & he stood not in the verity; because verity is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, because he is a liar, & the father thereof.
Lies, distortions, defamation, lies. There were lots of copies imposing their own interpretation of the message as a commentary or explanation . Your 'heavily infiltrated Joos' also used the message to attack good people.