Archbishop of Lima: Jesus died as a layman and without sacrificing

Source: Aciprensa In a statement contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the Archbishop of Lima (Peru), Mons. Carlos Castillo Mattasoglio, said that Jesus Christ died as "a lay person" and …More
Source: Aciprensa
In a statement contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the Archbishop of Lima (Peru), Mons. Carlos Castillo Mattasoglio, said that Jesus Christ died as "a lay person" and did so without making a "sacrifice."
"And Jesus does not die making a holocaust sacrifice, Jesus dies as a murdered layman, whom He decides not to respond with vengeance and who accepts the cross to give us a sign of life," said the Peruvian Prelate at the Mass he presided over on Sunday 19 December at the Cathedral of Lima.
"And he dies as a lay person who gives hope to humanity, he dies as a human being like all of you who are present here, we too, because we cannot be priests without first being baptized lay people," he said.
Bishop Castillo also said that “laity comes from Laos, which means people. And God has wanted to sanctify his people, and if we are here it is to serve them ”.
The Archbishop recalled that God had promised Israel that from his people "a scion would come out that would …More
Live Mike
Your Excellency, What Do False Prophets and Hirelings Look Like? What Does the Bible Say About Wolves In Sheep's Clothing?
Ultraviolet
@mccallansteve Not according to The Church, since it has not yet attempted to correct the archbishop's error.
Ultraviolet
"because the Church never gave us any catechesis on how to determine heresy ?? amirite? "
Determining
heresy and declaring it are not the same, @Cecilia Lopez. Important distinction you neglected to make. Yes, you DO fail that badly. :D Try not to double-post when "Steve D" joins in the fun.
"Geez, by your thinking, someone who steals can never be identified as a thief..."
That isn't my thinking …More
"because the Church never gave us any catechesis on how to determine heresy ?? amirite? "

Determining
heresy and declaring it are not the same, @Cecilia Lopez. Important distinction you neglected to make. Yes, you DO fail that badly. :D Try not to double-post when "Steve D" joins in the fun.

"Geez, by your thinking, someone who steals can never be identified as a thief..."

That isn't my thinking and you can skip the two bit mind-reader act since you stink at it.

When you accuse someone of being a thief or an arsonist aka "identified as", then you'd better be able to prove that accusation in a court of law. Simply slapping your keyboard with a head full of stupid isn't proof. You'll have an uphill climb at proving it any court when the accused hasn't been convicted of theft or arson, which is the point I'm making here.

The Church has very specific requirements for someone to be a heretic by Church standards and they have not been met.

"Try your stunts on Cathinfo.com , they'd eat your lunch."

Cool story, bro. Fact is I'm making a meal out of you so all your sad fantasies and pathetic, infantile wish-fulfillment really doesn't impress.
Ultraviolet
". who p****s on every article like a dog on fire hydrants."
Is profanity acceptable on Cathinfo or would they ban you for that? ;-) If Cathinfo is that sort of toilet, wash your mouth and your hands before commenting here. If it isn't, then don't turn GTV into your personal cess-pool.
Well done, Cecilia. Water always seeks its own level, especially sewage.More
". who p****s on every article like a dog on fire hydrants."

Is profanity acceptable on Cathinfo or would they ban you for that? ;-) If Cathinfo is that sort of toilet, wash your mouth and your hands before commenting here. If it isn't, then don't turn GTV into your personal cess-pool.

Well done, Cecilia. Water always seeks its own level, especially sewage.
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Ultraviolet
Thanks for showing your true colors, @Steve D ;-) --along with your utter lack of respect for a Catholic site and its Catholic readers. Now explain why your "Catholic faith" encourages you to repeat profanity and bold it on a Catholic site. You know, just in case anyone missed it the first tme.
Cecilia Lopez
Never mind that Douay Rheims uses it, 2 Kings 9:8 And I will destroy all the house of Achab, and I will cut off from Achab, him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up, and the meanest in Israel
No need of formal declaration, by Divine Law Apostasy, Heresy and Schism automatically removes one from the Catholic Church.More
Never mind that Douay Rheims uses it, 2 Kings 9:8 And I will destroy all the house of Achab, and I will cut off from Achab, him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up, and the meanest in Israel

No need of formal declaration, by Divine Law Apostasy, Heresy and Schism automatically removes one from the Catholic Church.
Ultraviolet
Were you quoting scripture, Cecilia? Yes or no? That's why you got banned.
"by Divine Law Apostasy, Heresy and Schism automatically removes one from the Catholic Church."
...and who arbitrates Divine Law? You? Steve D? Or God?More
Were you quoting scripture, Cecilia? Yes or no? That's why you got banned.

"by Divine Law Apostasy, Heresy and Schism automatically removes one from the Catholic Church."

...and who arbitrates Divine Law? You? Steve D? Or God?
mccallansteve
That statement makes him a heretic, a public one. Good luck to him on his judgement day
lancs1
In the words of Cole Porter "You say Mattasoglio, I say Bergoglio. You say potato, I say potatoh. Let's call the whole thing off."
Ultraviolet
Maaan... dinners at your place must be rough. "Honey, would you like scalloped potatos tonight?" "You said it wrong. Don't cook anything." :D
123jussi
He may have already arrived ! So I guess as a priest he is really another layman? To be another Christ means to be just another layman ? What will these people think of next! But You oh Lord how long?
SonoftheChurch
Most likely His Excellency meant that Christ was not a member of the “Levitical” Priesthood which ruled the Temple in Jerusalem at the time; and thus, Our Lord would have been technically considered a “layman” with respect to the Levitical Order as established by the Law of Moses. And in this, His Excellency is correct. The Lord, as the Son of David from the Tribe of Judah, was not born into the …More
Most likely His Excellency meant that Christ was not a member of the “Levitical” Priesthood which ruled the Temple in Jerusalem at the time; and thus, Our Lord would have been technically considered a “layman” with respect to the Levitical Order as established by the Law of Moses. And in this, His Excellency is correct. The Lord, as the Son of David from the Tribe of Judah, was not born into the priestly Tribe of Levi as a son of Aaron. Therefore, in accordance with the perspective of those who controlled and were a part of the religious accounting of that time, Christ could rightly have been called then, what we define or refer to as a “layman” in our ecclesiastical nomenclature of today. And it is also clear from the context of his message that the Archbishop was not referring to the Melchizedek Order of the Priesthood, to which Our Lord most assuredly belongs and by which His sacrificial ministry was conducted. Such an assertion would not only be heretical, it would also be highly illogical. Christ’s Melchizedek Priesthood, as defined in the New Testament Book of Hebrews, was a higher priestly order than that of the Levitical Priesthood, to which He never belonged and often condemned.

And with regard to the part about “sacrifice” in relation to Christ’s substitutionary death, it is quite clear that the Archbishop was referring to the erroneous and misguided perspective of those there who killed Our Lord and had a part in or rejoiced over His horrific demise - how THEY saw Him and the death perpetrated by their own actions. Not from God’s omniscient perspective or what Christ’s death actually meant to humanity in the sovereign will and plan of God which was ordained before the foundation of the world. Those who cruelly slew Our Lord did not see Christ’s death as a sacrifice, and did not understand the sacrificial nature of its perpetual significance. They were blind to the fullness of the Gospel and what the Lord’s death meant to the whole world throughout the ages, and only thought they were murdering a troublemaking rebel-rouser who deserved his agonizing punishment. They did not realize they were actually slaying The King of Glory, Who, as the Eternal Son of the Living God, was offering His Life as the Sacrifice for all sin everywhere and for all of time. Those who were guilty of His crucifixion did not see His death as SACRIFICIAL, they saw it as punishment. That is what the good Archbishop was trying to say.

So come on, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and cut him a little slack, people …it’s Christmas.
Orthocat
You seem to impute a lot of assumptions and contortions to excuse these imprudent words by a bishop of the Catholic church. We see this same approach to Pope Francis' actions & words. But I have to ask: why are our 'leaders' given a pass for causing scandal (and the mere APPEARANCE of false teaching does indeed cause others to lose their faith) and instead the laity are told they are being just …More
You seem to impute a lot of assumptions and contortions to excuse these imprudent words by a bishop of the Catholic church. We see this same approach to Pope Francis' actions & words. But I have to ask: why are our 'leaders' given a pass for causing scandal (and the mere APPEARANCE of false teaching does indeed cause others to lose their faith) and instead the laity are told they are being just disobedient. We're back to "pray, pay, & obey"! Or as we see in the political realm in the U.S. when Biden is criticized: "Shut up, hater"!
Louis IX
Heretic on his way to apostasy.
John A Cassani
He may be too stupid to be a heretic. Either way, this guy is stupid, and what he says is heretical.
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Orthocat
It's becoming clear that these "leaders" are pitching a new religion much in the lines of the Protestant revolt (no priests!). One has to ask - dear archbishop, if Jesus Christ was a mere "layman" and not a priest according to the order of Melchizedek (read the book of Hebrews, please) than why, oh why should we even listen or heed the likes of you? Aren't you just some clericalist hack like the …More
It's becoming clear that these "leaders" are pitching a new religion much in the lines of the Protestant revolt (no priests!). One has to ask - dear archbishop, if Jesus Christ was a mere "layman" and not a priest according to the order of Melchizedek (read the book of Hebrews, please) than why, oh why should we even listen or heed the likes of you? Aren't you just some clericalist hack like the Sadducees?