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Catholics for Truth: A Vote for Biden-Harris Is a Mortal Sin

Catholics for Truth launched a campaign to inform Catholic voters that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris represent the most anti-Catholic presidential ticket in U.S. history. The name of the website for the …More
Catholics for Truth launched a campaign to inform Catholic voters that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris represent the most anti-Catholic presidential ticket in U.S. history. The name of the website for the campaign is AntiCatholicTicket.com.
“Biden and Harris’ positions on non-negotiables for Catholics are the most radical ever held by U.S. presidential candidates,” said Michael Hichborn, the spokesperson for the group.
“They are committed to fully funding with our tax dollars Planned Parenthood and keeping abortion legal up until the point of birth."
The U.S. bishops identified abortion as their preeminent issue for the 2020 election, says Hichborn, "A vote for Biden-Harris is a vote for the murder of countless unborn babies. Choosing to vote for Biden-Harris when there is a pro-life alternative on the ballot is a mortal sin.”
Hichborn comments on Harris’ political past, “According to GovTrack, an independent organisation which tracks U.S. lawmakers’ voting records and touts itself as ‘one …More
Seidenspinner
To explain
rhemes1582
Thanks for posting this informative article.
Thanks also for restating Bishop of Tyler Texas direction, with regard to Fr. Altman's Catholic Video.
F M Shyanguya
Penny Catechism Q.113. What is sin?
Sin is an offense against God, by any thought, word, deed or omission against the law of God.
Over to you Dr ... of what?!More
Penny Catechism Q.113. What is sin?

Sin is an offense against God, by any thought, word, deed or omission against the law of God.

Over to you Dr ... of what?!
F M Shyanguya
Psalm 51
For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned,
and done that which is evil in thy sight,
so that thou art justified in thy sentence
and blameless in thy judgment.

One breaks a law, not offend it. Persons are offended.
Dr ... of what?! Claiming my statement signs on a moral theology of someone who I haven’t even read when I have given …More
Psalm 51

For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned,
and done that which is evil in thy sight,
so that thou art justified in thy sentence
and blameless in thy judgment.


One breaks a law, not offend it. Persons are offended.

Dr ... of what?! Claiming my statement signs on a moral theology of someone who I haven’t even read when I have given the definition of sin from the Catechism that would serve him well to revisit because as we heard in today’s Mass, St Paul to the Corinthians:

“Knowledge inflates with pride, but love builds up.
If anyone supposes he knows something,
he does not yet know as he ought to know.
But if one loves God, one is known by him.“


That’s what appears to be happening to Dr ... of what?

For the record, Dr ... of what?’s definition of sin:

“Sin is an offense against the eternal law, harming the good of nature.”

(And absent is any reference to Church Teaching)

One breaks a law, not offend it. Persons are offended.

*****

Not my comment nor my support of it:
Tesa
Interesting breakdown of (some) religious groups:
White Catholics: Biden 43% Trump 53%
White practicing Catholics: Biden 28% Trump 69%
White non-practicing Catholics: Biden 60% Trump 36%
White Evangelical Christians: Biden 19% Trump 77%More
Interesting breakdown of (some) religious groups:

White Catholics: Biden 43% Trump 53%

White practicing Catholics: Biden 28% Trump 69%

White non-practicing Catholics: Biden 60% Trump 36%

White Evangelical Christians: Biden 19% Trump 77%
Ultraviolet
That -is- interesting and, in truth, more than a little embarrassing for non-practicing Catholics.
Dr Bobus
It is wildly wrong to say that God is the one whom sin primarily offends.
Ultraviolet
If not, then who does sin offend more? ;-) Who has a purer heart than God? Who -else- would take more sorrow in seeing His creations offend him with such actions?
Dr Bobus
The question is whether God is the one whom sin primarily offends.
Sin is an offense against the eternal law, harming the good of nature. To say that sin primarily offends God is to sign on to the moral theology of Karl Rahner and his disciple, Josef Fuchs (whose approach is the core of Amoris Laetitia).More
The question is whether God is the one whom sin primarily offends.

Sin is an offense against the eternal law, harming the good of nature. To say that sin primarily offends God is to sign on to the moral theology of Karl Rahner and his disciple, Josef Fuchs (whose approach is the core of Amoris Laetitia).
comfort ye
Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I confess all my sins because... but most of all because THEY HAVE OFFENDED THEE, Who art all good, and deserving of all my love.
comfort ye
Eternal law is violated, God is offended.
Dr Bobus
Once again: I never said that God was not offended--but he is not primarily offended. The fact that eternal law is offended proves my point. Otherwise, every sin is turned into blasphemy or sacrilege.
The approach to Moral Theology taken by Rahner (Fundamental Option) is that a sin of weakness (e.g., adultery) is not mortal unless it intends to rupture the relationship between the soul and God.
A …More
Once again: I never said that God was not offended--but he is not primarily offended. The fact that eternal law is offended proves my point. Otherwise, every sin is turned into blasphemy or sacrilege.

The approach to Moral Theology taken by Rahner (Fundamental Option) is that a sin of weakness (e.g., adultery) is not mortal unless it intends to rupture the relationship between the soul and God.

A simiilar approach taken by Fuchs (Fundamental Choice) is IMHO found in Amoris Laetitia. A sin against marriage is not mortal unless it intends to deny the "ideal" of marriage.
Ultraviolet
@F M Shyanguya You have three practical choices. 1.) vote for Biden 2.) vote for Trump 3.) vote for neither. #1 and you support abortion #2 and you support the best president America's had since Reagan #3 and you refuse to oppose the people voting for pro-abortion Biden. Simple as that.
F M Shyanguya
Ultraviolet
...except that's wrong @F M Shyanguya Mr. Trump's policies are far more in line with Catholic teachings, than Mr. Biden's.
Ultraviolet
"I used to think that Trump was the lesser of two evils." Did you now, @Baptist John? Fair enough. Since abortion is a topic very close to everyone's heart here on GTV, let's dscuss that one.
Please show me, then, in light of the policies Mr. Trump advanced and his record as President, how he is a.) equal in evil to Joseph Biden or b.) greater in evil than Joseph Biden.
When I compare the two …More
"I used to think that Trump was the lesser of two evils." Did you now, @Baptist John? Fair enough. Since abortion is a topic very close to everyone's heart here on GTV, let's dscuss that one.

Please show me, then, in light of the policies Mr. Trump advanced and his record as President, how he is a.) equal in evil to Joseph Biden or b.) greater in evil than Joseph Biden.

When I compare the two using their own political records and statements, it's indisputable that Joseph Biden is pro-abortion and Donald Trump is not.

www.ontheissues.org/joe_biden.htm
www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

Mr. Trump's views are well in line with the Catholic Church's formal stance on abortion. Joseph Biden's views are just the opposite.

If you wish to debate the point, please do. ;-)

I don't know what kind of agenda you've got or what angle you're pushing except the obvious one of undermining support for Mr. Trump.
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Ultraviolet
"My agenda is very simple, who is a good representative for Catholics Biden or Trump? The answer is neither."
No, that's you repeating your position.. Your agenda is the purpose you hope to accomplish by repeating it.
...which, for some reason, is to undermine support for Mr. Trump.
If you feel neither man "is a good representative for Catholics," then demonstrate this using the Catholic political …More
"My agenda is very simple, who is a good representative for Catholics Biden or Trump? The answer is neither."

No, that's you repeating your position.. Your agenda is the purpose you hope to accomplish by repeating it.

...which, for some reason, is to undermine support for Mr. Trump.

If you feel neither man "is a good representative for Catholics," then demonstrate this using the Catholic political issue of abortion.

I asked before and you didn't.

Repeating your claim isn't proof that the claim is true.. That's an error in reasoning called "Argumentum Ad Nauseam"

"Yet, Biden being evil does not make Trump good, obviously."

Obviously. Yet, you haven't shown any evidence that Trump is not good, in light of the Catholic Church's stance on abortion.

"Why do many Catholics build Trump up so much and excuse so much?

...and why do you tear Trump down so much and ignore so much?

Ah... now there's a question I don't believe you will ever honestly answer. There's obviously something driving your butthurt over Mr. Trump but I doubt you're going to share it. ;-)

"It is a very difficult situation to face, not having anyone, to represent us..."

Given Mr. Trump's record on abortion, that claim is self-serving rhetoric and demonstrably false.

"especially when entire nations, Australia for one, are being challenged by totalitarians."

Mr. Trump was not elected to lead Australia.

Whatever "totalitarian" measures the Australian government inflicts, the country still retains a democratic election system. It is up to the voters utilize it. If they don't, and they haven't for a long time, then they deserve everything they get.

"More difficult is our Church being attacked from within by lost Modernists and from without by demonic leftists."

Mr. Trump is not the head of the Catholic Church.

There is no grounds for you to hold him responsible for the problems within the Catholic Church, which predate Mr. Trump's presidency.

"many Catholics to overlook Trump's unworthiness for the Catholic vote."

I hope many Catholics don't overlook your refusal to show ANY evidence that Mr. Trump even is unworthy.

You repeat the claim often enough but, as always, you never show any support for it.

"How's this for starters, before wanting the Catholic vote, is there any evidence whatsoever that Trump is pro-life?"

How's this for starters, go back and click the second URL I posted for your benefit.

In fact, I'll save you the scrolling and re-post the URL.

www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

It's filled with exactly the evidence you're looking for..

Here's even more, much more, from the best source of all: an abortion advocacy group angrily documenting everything Mr. Trump has done as a pro-life President.

www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/…/donald-trump

Or do you need me to cut and paste the information for you directly?
Ultraviolet
I asked, "why do you tear Trump down so much and ignore so much?"
"I have answered this, BOTH Biden and Trump deserve to be scrutinized."
You haven't answered that at all.
You choose to focus and criticize Donald Trump. You have NOT explained your motivation for doing so and it's one that goes far beyond just this particular post, judging by your other comments on GTV.
Biden doesn't get equal time …More
I asked, "why do you tear Trump down so much and ignore so much?"

"I have answered this, BOTH Biden and Trump deserve to be scrutinized."

You haven't answered that at all.

You choose to focus and criticize Donald Trump. You have NOT explained your motivation for doing so and it's one that goes far beyond just this particular post, judging by your other comments on GTV.

Biden doesn't get equal time in your scrutiny of "both". You don't live up to that "BOTH" you like capitalize.

No, you're like every other biased critic pushing an agenda during this election.. "Both" and "scrutinized" means Trump, and Trump only.

"Your the butthurt one, you only want to hear of Biden's evils."

Factually untrue. I linked up (wait for it) BOTH Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump's positions on the abortion issue.

"Why are you so afraid of exposing Trump's evils also?"

Why are you so fixated on them?

I'm challenging you to support your previous claim. The one you made BEFORE you went back and re-wrote your post after I replied. You accuse me of deceit? Look to yourself, hypocrite.

You're wrong, you know it, and you changed your post. Gotcha! :D

--You wrote, "Obviously. Yet, you haven't shown any evidence that Trump is notgood, in light of the Catholic Church's stance on abortion." "You want me to state Trump's evils, yet you then misdirect, try to nail down the debate to focus on abortion."--

That isn't a misdirection.

It's called staying on topic. This post is about abortion and mortal sins resulting from it. A pity you didn't notice.

--The U.S. bishops identified abortion as their preeminent issue for the 2020 election, says Hichborn, "A vote for Biden-Harris is a vote for the murder of countless unborn babies. Choosing to vote for Biden-Harris when there is a pro-life alternative on the ballot is a mortal sin."--

It is YOU who favor misdirection onto Jare Kushner, Goldman Sachs, George Soros, BLM, riots, all of which have NOTHING to do with abortion as a mortal sin.

"You want to stay on abortion to deflect from things such as Trump's living in adultery/ 3 wives..."

No, I want to stay on abortion because that's the topic of this post. YOU want to deflect onto anything else because that fits your anti-Trump agenda.

"Imagine Trump with black skin: children all over the place with 3 different women... The Don of the Ghetto, all dem hos."

Nice racism there, bigot-boy.
Ultraviolet
"If I see Trump being only hammered by the so called "liberal Catholics," I am more than willing to go over the nightmare, that is Biden."
All of your previous commments on GTV show just the opposite. So do the posts you start.
Trump Committed Adultery, Then Abandoned His Family For His Mistress
Nobody was "hammering" anyone. YOU attacked Mr. Trump because that's your agenda.
VOTE!! TRUMP-SOROS 2020More
"If I see Trump being only hammered by the so called "liberal Catholics," I am more than willing to go over the nightmare, that is Biden."

All of your previous commments on GTV show just the opposite. So do the posts you start.

Trump Committed Adultery, Then Abandoned His Family For His Mistress

Nobody was "hammering" anyone. YOU attacked Mr. Trump because that's your agenda.

VOTE!! TRUMP-SOROS 2020

It's obviously personal with you and only directed at Mr. Trump. The big question is why. What happened? Did Mr. Trump cancel some gravy-train Obama-era program you and yours enjoyed?

Since you're living in the Garbage State where those fail federal social programs are widespread, I suspect that's very likely.

Readily explains all your bawwing and single-minded dedication to getting Biden elected.

"One last time, because they are both rotten."

One last time, that's an Argumentum Ad Nauseam Fallacy and you -still- haven't shown any proof of it related to abortion.

...which IS the topic of this post. Not adultery.

By your own admission of "cut and pasted" you admit I quoted you directly. There is no deceit in that. Your other comments don't change the meaning of what I quoted. Just the opposite as we'll soon see. ;-)

You introduced a race-based element to this discussion where none exists and it is entirely irrelevant to the subject of this post.

...cuz that's what bigots do when they start losing any argument.

There is no NEED to "imagine Trump with black skin". There are plenty of people in all racial backgrounds who marry, divorce, and re-marry.

But racially motivated bigots like you focus on minorities to the exclusion of all other races. Just like you did here.

"You purposely left out ,"There would be numerous jokes," to falsely accuse me."

Actually, I was being charitable. One example or your racially motivated bigotry seemed more than enough.

Instead, now you're trying to defend your first bigoted comment by criticizing me for not covering the second one... Fair enough. ;-)

No, there wouldn't be "numerous jokes"-except among other bigots like you. Bigots find racism funny..The rest of us do not.

You and your other bigot-buddies would be the ones doing that petty, irreleivant, mistrel-show "dialect"

The Don of the Ghetto, all dem hos.

I've noticed that. For people who hate minorities so much, you bigots always love imitating them. ;-)

Now then... do you have any more bigotry you feel I've omitted?

I don't want to "bear false witness against you", after all. I'm more than happy damning you with your own words.

Protip: blocking me means you just lost the game. It's an admission that you can't take the pressure. It's also pointless as you'll soon see elsewhere.
F M Shyanguya
And so vote for Trump?
Insidious!
Unnecessarily burdening the faithful.
Only God, the one whom sin primarily offends, and God through his Church can determine what is and is not sin.
Cf Trump Pro-Life?More
And so vote for Trump?

Insidious!

Unnecessarily burdening the faithful.

Only God, the one whom sin primarily offends, and God through his Church can determine what is and is not sin.

Cf Trump Pro-Life?
Ultraviolet
It's been working very well, thank you, particularly when it comes vital issues like abortion and gun-control. Thanks for asking, Mrs. Snark.