Just me
@Rafał_Ovile And anyone else interested. @Credo . once left me a video to watch on one of these SLT posts. I can not find it anywhere now. I can't find our comments either. Nor the video on youtube can be found now. This interview I saw years ago. And what made me also start looking into more video's on both women. Maybe she can show you this video. Seems like comments and video's are disappearing …More
@Rafał_Ovile And anyone else interested. @Credo . once left me a video to watch on one of these SLT posts. I can not find it anywhere now. I can't find our comments either. Nor the video on youtube can be found now. This interview I saw years ago. And what made me also start looking into more video's on both women. Maybe she can show you this video. Seems like comments and video's are disappearing from my posts. All of hers and mine with the video is totally gone. Or maybe just the video itself is gone. I am not sure.

I did however find a short version. In this video he is trying to say it was the real Sr. Lucia he interviewed. But those who truly know the apparitions and our Holy Mother will know what that woman says is not from our Holy Mother.

Especially listen about the word conversion. And at the 5:20 mark what Dr. Zugibe and his wife said, the imposter told him. Ask yourself, can a Pope be greater than GOD Himself? Can he change the "Will of GOD" and make it his own? Defying GOD? You will understand what I am saying when you hear it for yourself.

Also ask yourself how can these people claim it is the real Sr. Lucia if they never met that woman until the 1990's and in 2002? Just because she says she is? After what she said, how can anyone believe that woman? Or anyone else claiming she was the "Real" Sr. Lucia.

youtu.be/iJGBbngR9Uk
SHJ-IHM
This is connected to the Father Fuentes interview of Sister Lucy in 1957. They have tried to convince us that Father Fuentes fabricated that interview - which is very hard to believe. And coincidentally Sister Lucy disappeared after that until 1967, when her appearance changed.
Just me
There is an interview with carlos evaristo and the fake in 1992 or 93. It is no longer on yt. But there is part of this video which some say was the real Sister Lucia like Dr. Zugibe. But they did not know her before the interview. Nor interviewed her before 1957. So they really have no idea what they are talking about. The video I can't find was actually given to me by someone who actually thought …More
There is an interview with carlos evaristo and the fake in 1992 or 93. It is no longer on yt. But there is part of this video which some say was the real Sister Lucia like Dr. Zugibe. But they did not know her before the interview. Nor interviewed her before 1957. So they really have no idea what they are talking about. The video I can't find was actually given to me by someone who actually thought what the fake said was true.

But would our Sister Lucia say things like... We must not mistaken the word conversion. The word conversion, to convert, indicates a change from bad to good. But does not mean all the bad will disappear? What nonsense is that anyhow? She said, therefore the conversion has taken place with Russia. Therefore the conversion of Russia has been fulfilled. Then she went on to say The Virgin never said that the holy father had to say the word Russia? Wow! Who would fall for these lies? And no less listen to them and argue they are true?

There are more lies she told which of course Neither The Blessed Mother or Sister Lucia ever said. It is obvious by that video she is a fraud. So why are people still believing it to be the real Lucia? Because they want to believe it. No other reason can be explained. Not when it is obvious that person who claimed to be Sister Lucia was a fraud and a liar. The video I am referring to is in defense of the fake and those lies she told. That is all that is left. And of course it is taken from the channel of carlos evaristo. Gee, he wouldn't be prejudice would he?

Father Fuentes did not fabricate anything. And Sister Lucy Truth on yt has a video about that as well. youtu.be/Mh0TdBl3Qkc
pravit
It is possible that Sister Lucia had plastic surgery treatment some time.
Just me
@pravit I doubt that very highly. She was not only a simple person, but she was a humble person. And there is not a convent on earth back then that would pay for such an extravagance. Convents don't have that kind of money for such a thing to be done.
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@pravit I doubt that very highly. She was not only a simple person, but she was a humble person. And there is not a convent on earth back then that would pay for such an extravagance. Convents don't have that kind of money for such a thing to be done.

I wonder all the time, what did they do to that poor woman. It really bothers me.
V.R.S.
Probably she wanted to have a chin like Oliver Hardy:
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Rafał_Ovile
Dentistry isn't qualified science to examine identical human being at different stages of life. Basically the purpose of this fake story about impostor sister Lucy, with no supportive evidence, is to tempt one's focus to curiosity and activate doubt of Church authority. Most importantly this devil's snare end is diversion of souls from Our Lady's message and its fulfillment.
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile I am wondering if you even bother to watch these videos from beginning to end. It does not seem so. And there is no curiosity with me. This is serious. Very serious. It is not like I come on gtv just to search out all the scandals or see all the same ole same ole news. Not at all. I hardly read anything anymore. Different day, different face, but the same ole same ole problems.
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@Rafał_Ovile I am wondering if you even bother to watch these videos from beginning to end. It does not seem so. And there is no curiosity with me. This is serious. Very serious. It is not like I come on gtv just to search out all the scandals or see all the same ole same ole news. Not at all. I hardly read anything anymore. Different day, different face, but the same ole same ole problems.

And that is exactly my point. The fake is trying to destroy the messages of Fatima. Or don't you bother to watch any of the videos of her? I watched dozens of both women. They are surely two different people. As they are all saying. I don't need them to tell me there are two people. I can see, hear and watch with my own two eyes and ears they are different.

The fake Lucia also said, The Blessed Mother never said to mention Russia?Yet! I am sure I read that is exactly what Our Holy Mother told Sister Lucia. The things she said were the total opposite. And why would she say conversion could mean anything. Not the conversion of The Holy Catholic Church. Those are just some of the things the fake said.

Again. I think you should start watching very closely all the video's you can find on them both. And all the videos this man made. All the professionals he hired. The top in every field. Then if you still insist there is only one, then that is your choice and decision. But you should listen from beginning to end. Especially before accusing me of being curious. I am far from curious on this sort of thing. This is nothing to ignore. If she died alone. Or they murdered her. She needs a proper burial. What ever they did to her. I am sure it was not good.

Even Jacinta warned of her life in danger. So, again. if you are concerned about Our Holy Mother and her messages, then I would start listening closely to both women, as well as these video's. That fake tried to destroy all The Blessed Mothers warnings and messages.

If you noticed all my posts, they are not scandalous but a few. And they are for parents or grandparents to see and to know how serious it is in the schools. A lot are petitions I wish people would sign. Sadly hardly anyone even looks at them. And the rest are about Saints or those who are Saintly. I am not into the scandalous same ole, same ole. How many times do we need to see them? Or how war is upon us? Or how they are out to kill us? Or any of the other things I see constantly on here. Or worse, the sede's and the fake seers. I am not into any of that. Those would be for the curious. So they are not for me.
SHJ-IHM
No supportive evidence? ...except for all of the supportive evidence! Several medical and handwriting experts were consulted and concluded that they are not the same person (before and after 1967). In addition to that - 1) We can see it with our own eyes! 2) Some photographs were obviously doctored, and 3) The 1967 Sister Lucy contradicted the prior Sister Lucy regarding the messages.
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No supportive evidence? ...except for all of the supportive evidence! Several medical and handwriting experts were consulted and concluded that they are not the same person (before and after 1967). In addition to that - 1) We can see it with our own eyes! 2) Some photographs were obviously doctored, and 3) The 1967 Sister Lucy contradicted the prior Sister Lucy regarding the messages.

I dismissed this as a conspiracy theory when I first heard it. But it wasn't curiosity that led me to look in to it as much as my own observation that she looks so different.
V.R.S.
@SHJ-IHM
I will explain the syllogism used here:
1. Findings of experts Mr. Chojnowski appointed are devastating for "Sister Lucy" 1968-2005
2. Thus, they are devastating for Paul VI and John Paul II.
3. Thus, they are not true.
Rafał_Ovile
Since the last two years we continue to witness the apogee of deception played out by ideologues and fraudsters with academic degrees at all vertical and horizontal levels, including Catholics. They have been confusing humanity by suspending traditional definitions and scientific principles thereby perverting science. Such scientific manipulation enabled sustainability for perfect accommodation of …More
Since the last two years we continue to witness the apogee of deception played out by ideologues and fraudsters with academic degrees at all vertical and horizontal levels, including Catholics. They have been confusing humanity by suspending traditional definitions and scientific principles thereby perverting science. Such scientific manipulation enabled sustainability for perfect accommodation of their false presupposition used to trigger the thesis of the deadly virus for globalist end control.

In Dr Chojnowski's case accommodation of his known false theory occurs in observable interaction between his presupposition and unqualified scientific methods. His knowledge state and collected opinions based on subjectively preselected photos are adjusted to meet his presupposition used to trigger the theory of impostor Lucy with end to overshadow the Fatima message. What is pre-requisite evidence which triggers formulation of base premise for missing human being?

The fundamental difference between scholars in their abilty to conform to truth is the ethical approach exemplified in different scientific method deviation effecting the outcome. No offense guys however there is no comment to be found of any impostor Lucy insane fan which couldn't be used for beginners in medieval scholastic study cases to debunk sophists, including the above 3 differently formulated fallacies... Until scientific evidence with absolute certainty liable to risk is not provided please enjoy yourselves (@Just me @SHJ-IHM @V.R.S. et consortes) in your illusionary state of infallibility about Our Lady's 'impostor'[sic!] seer with end to shadow Her message.
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile Yes! Just as I said. You don't watch a thing from this man. He does not use just a few pictures. He presents dozens. Not only that, but every person he hired were top Professionals. And sadly, the "Fake" Lucia has twisted all The Blessed Virgins messages. As proof in these video's. And there is a lot of proof. Everyone he hired in every field all said the same thing. "Two Different …More
@Rafał_Ovile Yes! Just as I said. You don't watch a thing from this man. He does not use just a few pictures. He presents dozens. Not only that, but every person he hired were top Professionals. And sadly, the "Fake" Lucia has twisted all The Blessed Virgins messages. As proof in these video's. And there is a lot of proof. Everyone he hired in every field all said the same thing. "Two Different Women"!

One person he hired was Lois Gibson. One of the world's most forensic artist who holds the 2017 guinness world record for the most identifications for a forensic artist. According to an abc news story, she has helped Houstons police force solve 1,266 crimes. She gave SLT 3 separate comparison reports that from a forensic standpoint conclusively indicate the existence of two separate Sister Lucia's etc. He had writing analyses done as well. Try watching these video's from beginning to end. Starting with the first one he made. Or you can ignore all the proof and keep insisting you know more than professionals.

Now you can either watch these video's or you can skip them to watch the many other video's you do like and agree on. by the way, are you some kind of fan of bergoglio? This is very serious to me. If it is not to you, then don't look at them. That is a simple solution that I am sure you can do.
V.R.S.
@Rafał_Ovile
"Until scientific evidence with absolute certainty liable to risk is not provided..."
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The problem is that the P. Chojnowski's project does not present "sophisms", "fallacies" or "comments of insane fans" you would like it to present but the scientific conclusions based on the evidence and science (I do not know what the "scientific evidence" is - the evidence is evidence e.g. photos …More
@Rafał_Ovile
"Until scientific evidence with absolute certainty liable to risk is not provided..."
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The problem is that the P. Chojnowski's project does not present "sophisms", "fallacies" or "comments of insane fans" you would like it to present but the scientific conclusions based on the evidence and science (I do not know what the "scientific evidence" is - the evidence is evidence e.g. photos, writings and then there are scientific findings based on the evidence). In this case the evidence has been before us for years (moreover, prima facie A looks different than B in photos and the difference is material) , the analysis of it by Mr. Chojnowski's experts provides scientific conclusions based on the evidence.

Medieval scholatics were realists not phenomenologists. They would not care about well known "Sister Lucy in 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, etc. phenomenon. They would have analysed objections of the experts, one by one, to find the truth whatever the truth would be.

If you do not want to use sophisms - what are your objections against the experts' arguments (which are not obscure but very precise)?
Rafał_Ovile
@Just me & V.R.S. your comments are irrelevant and as such will objectively remain due to the fact of no forensic scientific evidence of DNA test results confirming, with absolute certainty liable to risk, identification of two genetically different biological materials based on samples taken at different stages of sister Lucy's life. In addition, examination of comparable samples with her family …More
@Just me & V.R.S. your comments are irrelevant and as such will objectively remain due to the fact of no forensic scientific evidence of DNA test results confirming, with absolute certainty liable to risk, identification of two genetically different biological materials based on samples taken at different stages of sister Lucy's life. In addition, examination of comparable samples with her family members should be examined... Moreover, forensic evidence from the investigation is required, applicable to any case of a missing person.. Lastly, a qualified scientific analysis of photographs throughout her whole life is missing since photographic images of living human beings are often distorted due to variables substantially different to other mammals...
Finally, since you didn't understand my previous comment I doubt you will its elaboration. Nevertheless, please don't waste time on science fiction (until real evidence is provided) without any common sense as this will make you accountable , especially for corrupted souls, before Almighty.
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile DNA you say? Great! That is his next goal. GOD Willing, he will get it. But with all the evidence he has now and with that woman going against all Our Holy Mother said, I don't need any DNA. But that would be great. And it is you that does not understand what is going on. That man hired not just anyone, but the top in the fields. And that crazy woman saying weird and nonsensical things …More
@Rafał_Ovile DNA you say? Great! That is his next goal. GOD Willing, he will get it. But with all the evidence he has now and with that woman going against all Our Holy Mother said, I don't need any DNA. But that would be great. And it is you that does not understand what is going on. That man hired not just anyone, but the top in the fields. And that crazy woman saying weird and nonsensical things should be enough proof. So, I am done here. But thanks for all your input and comments. In the end, we will all know. My only interest is for Sr. Lucia. If they threw her in a hole without a proper burial, she must receive one. If they murdered her, the people responsible must be brought to justice. IF they are dead. Then they did already. Thanks for your input and comments. I am now done. Check out the video I left at top. If you watch it and still don't find a thing wrong with her and what she is saying. Then you don't. But anyone who knows the Fatima messages and The Blessed Mother knows, she would never say anything so ridiculous. I sure hope you don't think she would. Thank you for all your input and comments.
Rafał_Ovile
Just me I'm sorry to say however I find your replies lacking basic ethical mindset and common sense. Rather exemplification of complete inability to conform to reality and truth...
Just me
@Rafał_Ovile That is your opinion. And funny I was thinking the same thing about you. Once again. We will see who is right in the end. And if it is those of us that can see the truth that there were 2 women. I hope you are ready to pray your heart out for ignoring all the facts and even trying to open your mind and eyes. Anyhow as I said before. This is serious to me. If you don't believe, just go …More
@Rafał_Ovile That is your opinion. And funny I was thinking the same thing about you. Once again. We will see who is right in the end. And if it is those of us that can see the truth that there were 2 women. I hope you are ready to pray your heart out for ignoring all the facts and even trying to open your mind and eyes. Anyhow as I said before. This is serious to me. If you don't believe, just go to someone other post you do believe in or like or whatever. No one is telling you to believe anything. I just post the video's for those that don't want to be duped and want the truth for Sister Lucia to put an end to all of this.
john333
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