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About geocentrism. Our focus is earth. Everyone's "centre of the universe" is the Earth.
F M Shyanguya
F M Shyanguya
Caroline03
"200 proofs why the Earth is not a spinning ball" The statement from the Railway Engineer who planned Britains Railways is the best.....

www.youtube.com/watch

......after some amount of argument on each side as to the reason why no allowance for curvature was made.....

Engineer, W. Winckler, wrote into the Earth Review October 1893 regarding the Earth’s supposed curvature, stating,

“As an …More
"200 proofs why the Earth is not a spinning ball" The statement from the Railway Engineer who planned Britains Railways is the best.....

www.youtube.com/watch

......after some amount of argument on each side as to the reason why no allowance for curvature was made.....

Engineer, W. Winckler, wrote into the Earth Review October 1893 regarding the Earth’s supposed curvature, stating,

“As an engineer of many years standing, I saw that this absurd allowance is only permitted in school books. No engineer would dream of allowing anything of the kind. I have projected many miles of railways and many more of canals and the allowance has not even been thought of, much less allowed for. This allowance for curvature means this - that it is 8” for the first mile of a canal, and increasing at the ratio by the square of the distance in miles; thus a small navigable canal for boats, say 30 miles long, will have, by the above rule an allowance for curvature of 600 feet. Think of that and then please credit engineers as not being quite such fools. Nothing of the sort is allowed. We no more think of allowing 600 feet for a line of 30 miles of railway or canal, than of wasting our time trying to square the circle.”

www.youtube.com/watch
F M Shyanguya
🙏👍👏 @Caroline03

Flat earth

1) For me it was earth’s surface being 70% CONNECTED water and given properties of water, earth surface MUST be flat.

Or putting it another way, 70% must be flat, now make the rest 30% into a ball if you can.

2) Their own curvature math doesn’t work/is unverifiable.

3) They invariably must use a signature number of Masonic numerological significance. Mean …More
🙏👍👏 @Caroline03

Flat earth

1) For me it was earth’s surface being 70% CONNECTED water and given properties of water, earth surface MUST be flat.

Or putting it another way, 70% must be flat, now make the rest 30% into a ball if you can.

2) Their own curvature math doesn’t work/is unverifiable.

3) They invariably must use a signature number of Masonic numerological significance. Mean earth orbit velocity of 66, 622 mph is arbitrary but chosen for its Masonic numerological significance: 666 22 = 666 11 11.

4) If I had a plane, I could demonstrate latitudes increase in circumference going south. That’s why they must now modify their earth shape to now being an “oblate spheroid”.
F M Shyanguya
Firmament

1) I can see it. I remember asking our brilliant Physics high school teacher why the sky was blue. He saying “the why” questions are the most difficult. Never have gotten a satisfactory answer.

2) No escaping the 18 scriptural references to the firmament.

3) If I had a plane, I can demonstrate you can’t fly around the earth in a northerly-southerly direction.

4) Height of sun, moon…More
Firmament

1) I can see it. I remember asking our brilliant Physics high school teacher why the sky was blue. He saying “the why” questions are the most difficult. Never have gotten a satisfactory answer.

2) No escaping the 18 scriptural references to the firmament.

3) If I had a plane, I can demonstrate you can’t fly around the earth in a northerly-southerly direction.

4) Height of sun, moon , and stars above earth can easily be calculated (Trigonometry). In thousands and not million miles.
Caroline03
@F M Shyanguya If you see this - you can see why people start to question - aviation flight paths seem to be ridiculous ..........

www.youtube.com/watch

If Scripture makes an observation - I examine the translations and make THOSE my point of reference. I can not place my trust in other sources - most of whom don't even believe in God. God Bless
F M Shyanguya
🙏 @Caroline03 God bless you and yours as well and his work at your hands.

😂 “Baby born ... YT” 👏👏👏
Alex A
It should be heaven, but you are right.
F M Shyanguya
F M Shyanguya
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Caroline03
According to St Robert Bellermine... 😇

St. Robert Bellarmine, wrote the following to
Father Paolo Foscarini on April 12, 1613:

" ......But to want to affirm that the sun really is fixed in the center of the heavens and only revolves around itself (turns upon its axis) without traveling from east to west, and that the earth is situated in the third sphere and revolves with great speed around …More
According to St Robert Bellermine... 😇

St. Robert Bellarmine, wrote the following to
Father Paolo Foscarini on April 12, 1613:

" ......But to want to affirm that the sun really is fixed in the center of the heavens and only revolves around itself (turns upon its axis) without traveling from east to west, and that the earth is situated in the third sphere and revolves with great speed around the sun, is a very dangerous thing, not only by irritating all the philosophers and scholastic theologians, but also by injuring our holy faith and rendering the Holy Scriptures false. For Your Reverence has demonstrated many ways of explaining Holy Scripture, but you have not applied them in particular, and without a doubt you would have found it most difficult if you had attempted to explain all the passages which you yourself have cited.

Second. I say that, as you know, the Council (of Trent) prohibits expounding the Scriptures contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers. And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the earth, and that the earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile in the center of the universe. Now consider whether in all prudence the Church could encourage giving to Scripture a sense contrary to the holy fathers and all the Latin and Greek commentators.

? it is on the part of the ones who have spoken. It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the mouths of the prophets and apostles.
Third. I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun was in the center of the universe and the earth in the third sphere, and that the sun did not travel around the earth but the earth circled the sun, then it would be necessary to proceed with great caution in explaining the passages of Scripture which seemed contrary, and we would rather have to say that we did not understand them than to say that something was false which has been demonstrated. But I do not believe that there is any such demonstrations; none has been shown to me. It is not the same thing to show that the appearances are saved by assuming that the sun is at the center and the earth is in the heavens. I believe that the first demonstration might exist, but I have grave doubts about the second, and in a case of doubt, one may not depart from the Scriptures as explained by the Holy Fathers.

I add that the words “The sun riseth and goeth down, and returnneth to his place: and there rising again, maketh his round by the south, and turneth again to the north.” (Ecclesiastes 1: 5,6) were those of Solomon, who not only spoke by divine inspiration but was a man wise above all others and most learned in human sciences and in the knowledge of all created things, and his wisdom was from God. Thus it is not too likely that he would affirm something which was contrary to a truth either already demonstrated, or likely to be demonstrated. And if you tell me that Solomon spoke only according to the appearances, and that it seems to us that the sun goes around when actually it is the earth which moves, as it seems to one on a ship that the beach moves away from the ship, I shall answer that one who departs from the beach, though it looks to him as though the beach moves away, he knows that he is in error and corrects it, seeing clearly that the ship moves and not the beach. But with regard to the sun and the earth, no wise man is needed to correct the error, since he clearly experiences that the earth stands still and that his eye is not deceived when it judges that the moon and stars move. And that is enough for the present.
I salute Your Reverence and ask God to grant you every happiness."

www.wildheretic.com/heliocentric-th…
F M Shyanguya
The earth is flat and there is a firmament above us.

Cf Heliocentrism CANNOT shed Ancient Concepts of Cosmology
AngelusMaria
@F M Shyanguya You're kidding, I hope
AngelusMaria
About a flat Earth that is.....
F M Shyanguya
@AngelusMaria Dead serious!
F M Shyanguya
@AngelusMaria
If my link above doesn’t do it for you, I will demonstrate this another way.

Do you have children who went to public school?

Do you recall what was very early on their first crafts project they were assigned to do at home with parents and make a presentation in class?
AngelusMaria
@F M Shyanguya "Do you recall what was very early on their first crafts project they were assigned to do at home with parents and make a presentation in class"....... I'm afraid I don't understand. Could you elaborate? I did visit the site, I'm far from convinced, I am credulous. The only folks in Catholic circles that I know of that espouse things even remotely like this turn out to be …More
@F M Shyanguya "Do you recall what was very early on their first crafts project they were assigned to do at home with parents and make a presentation in class"....... I'm afraid I don't understand. Could you elaborate? I did visit the site, I'm far from convinced, I am credulous. The only folks in Catholic circles that I know of that espouse things even remotely like this turn out to be Feeneyites, who I oppose. But I applaud your bravery, unless you are just trolling and seeing who takes the bait. Flat earth is nonsense, but I am not going to engage in debunking it. If that's what you are going to believe, nothing I can say could possibly dissuade you.
F M Shyanguya
“The only folks in Catholic circles that I know of that espouse things even remotely like this turn out to be Feeneyites, who I oppose.”

Feeneyite ...
am I one? Unbelievable!

@AngelusMaria Those who have interacted with me here on GTV and elsewhere come quickly to realize that I know of the enemy’s tactic to personally attack and ridicule instead of providing support for their arguments.

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“The only folks in Catholic circles that I know of that espouse things even remotely like this turn out to be Feeneyites, who I oppose.”

Feeneyite ...
am I one? Unbelievable!

@AngelusMaria Those who have interacted with me here on GTV and elsewhere come quickly to realize that I know of the enemy’s tactic to personally attack and ridicule instead of providing support for their arguments.

Troll, bait ... not to dissuade you [note you came to my comments, not the other way around!] ...

Take a single of the points I have in my blog and debunk.

You won’t debunk because you can’t, plain and simple, and hence the resort to the tactics above.

They also come to realize that those don’t work with me especially when I know you can’t argue with facts and common sense.

I have four children and the very first project as early as first or second grade is to make a model of the solar system. You may need someone to help you see why that is.

What I have presented is more than plenty for those with eyes to see.
AngelusMaria
Chill out. I wasn't calling you a Feeneyite, I was simply sharing that the only people in Catholic circles that I have ever met who believe in flat earth or similar stuff happen to be Feeneyites.

As for the rest...good luck with that. I have no more interest in debunking flat earth than I do in debunking leprechauns
F M Shyanguya
@AngelusMaria Feeling is mutual.
AngelusMaria
Thanks Francis, I am glad we can share mutual feelings.
Caroline03
@AngelusMaria

Aeronautical Balloonist, Auguste Piccard became the first person to view Earth from above in 1931

His statement back in 1931 to "Popular Science Magazine "
was


“It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge”

books.google.fr/books

see page 23...... on the above link.

The graphics of this advert are super!

www.youtube.com/watch

.....I do my research, as everyone should, with…More
@AngelusMaria

Aeronautical Balloonist, Auguste Piccard became the first person to view Earth from above in 1931

His statement back in 1931 to "Popular Science Magazine "
was


“It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge”

books.google.fr/books

see page 23...... on the above link.

The graphics of this advert are super!

www.youtube.com/watch

.....I do my research, as everyone should, without accepting everything but before us by others who seem to get rich denying the Bible and Christ. This Polish Astronaut can be seen in an online interview, broadcast LIVE , being asked by the presenter what shape the earth is... after pausing for a moment , the Polish Astronaut replied "It's flat" .....

www.youtube.com/watch
Ultraviolet
"I have no more interest in debunking flat earth than I do in debunking leprechauns." @AngelusMaria

Now you just wait a second there, buddy. Leprechuans are totally real. Leprechuans are evil, lying spirits, just as all supernatural beings not of God are evil.

If you believe, and as a good Catholic you should, the devil and fallen angels are real and they seek to mislead and tempt mankind …More
"I have no more interest in debunking flat earth than I do in debunking leprechauns." @AngelusMaria

Now you just wait a second there, buddy. Leprechuans are totally real. Leprechuans are evil, lying spirits, just as all supernatural beings not of God are evil.

If you believe, and as a good Catholic you should, the devil and fallen angels are real and they seek to mislead and tempt mankind into sin, then it naturally follows those malign forces would tailor their approach by culture.

Some Americans would happily sell their souls for a 40oz bottle of malt liquor and a family-size bucket of KFC, a surly French epicure would not.

Leprechuans corrupt the Irish by appearing as diminutive, quaint, michievous "fae-folk". In reality, this deception masks a ruthless and calculated attack aimed at the shortcomings and hardships prevalent within Irish culture, notably pride resulting from cleverness along with the stinginess and greed borne of poverty.

Leprechuans lead the Irish away from God and towards Mammon. They lure the prideful into believing they can out-talk, out-think and outsmart their master the devil. They do this by spreading false folklore depicting themselves as the losers in a clever bargain or a bet.

A clever Irishman can "outsmart" the leprechaun using trickery and guile to win wealth. Therein, is the lure of greed and the appeal to pride.

Even for the Irish who are humble enough to resist such intellectual flattery, these fiends offer promises of "pots o' gold" at the ends of any rainbow for the diligent searcher. You don't have to be smart to find the pot of gold, you just have keep looking. As if either -ever- happened. Faugh!

Christ Himself said the devil "stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof." (John 8:44)

St. Collen even battled the Welsh cousins of leprechuans and exposed their deceptions. Seriously... this is a curious by-way of early European Church history, but it's one Catholics should know.

--And as he was one day in his cell, he heard two men conversing about Gwyn ab Nudd, and saying that he was king of Annwn and of the Fairies. And Collen put his head out of his cell, and said to them, 'Hold your tongues quickly, those are but Devils.' --

So right from the get-go, St. Collen was doing God's work and correcting error. Naturally the Evil One got royally butthurt at this as he always does when Godly men correct falsehoods. ;-)

So Gwyn ab Nudd set his messengers to hassling the saint, first with entreaties and then with threats to his person. Finally the saint, fearing bodily harm, paid a call to Gwyn ab Nudd's fairy castle.

What an unexpected welcome the arch-Deceiver had prepared!

--And he welcomed Collen honourably and desired him to eat, assuring him that, besides what he saw, he should have the most luxurious of every dainty and delicacy that the mind could desire, and should be supplied with every drink and liquor that his heart could wish ; and that there should be in readiness for him every luxury of courtesy and service, of banquet and of honourable entertainment, of rank and of presents : and every respect and welcome due to a man of his wisdom.--

There is an exact parallel to how the Evil One previously tested our Lord Jesus Christ: food, fine living and pride.

Having had enough of the infernal horde's blandishments, St. Collen...

--drew out his flask, and threw the holy water on their heads, whereupon they vanished from his sight, so that there was neither castle, nor troops, nor men, nor maidens, nor music, nor song, nor steeds, nor youths, nor banquet, nor the appearance of any thing whatever, but the green hillocks.--

Leprechuans are real, all right, just like any other fallen angel who's taken up a specialty.. They're just particularly odious, reflecting the very worst of Ireland and the Irish culture.

Rotten little things.

Even as a cereal mascot, "Lucky The Leprechuan" is a miser. Ever noticed that?

Lucky literally has an endorsement contract with General Mills, all the free promotional cereal he could possibly ever eat, and after literally fifty six YEARS, he still begrudges a hungry child even so much as a single bowl's worth.

Lucky the Leprechuan is a cheat and a liar, like his master. The fiend selfishly hoards the promotional samples General Mills naively sends him and then, false spirit that he is, he misleads the company into assuming he's distributing it the way he's supposed to -just so he can get even more!.

Even the triumvirate of manifestly evil General Mills mascots behave better than that.

A revenant corpse, a damned soul and a vampire they may be, but at least Frankenberry, Booberry, and Count Chocula are accomodating and generous hosts.

I mean, just look at the table they set. Fresh glasses of orange juice, pitchers of milk, hot buttered toast, cereal, all part of a complete breakfast!

... a breakfast that's served in good china, on fine linen and all literally by candle-light, no less. They spare no effort or expense, even when their guests are nothing better than insolent neighborhood urchins who insist on sneaking into their haunted castles at night.

In that, at least, they're returning evil with good and displaying more charity than I ever would under those same circumstances.

Anyone caught in my haunted castle at night is going to find themselves staring down the barrel of a .357, not getting a tasty bowl of cereal with a Continental breakfast as their reward for breaking and entering.
CatMuse
Can you not do the math from any point of reference you choose? In which case... why be exercised?
Further, in the natural order the only eyes observing the physical universe are sitting on earth. It is therefore a natural point of observation for the observer. Of course God is the ultimate universal point of reference. He is nevertheless omnipresent so take your pick. He does reside here on …More
Can you not do the math from any point of reference you choose? In which case... why be exercised?
Further, in the natural order the only eyes observing the physical universe are sitting on earth. It is therefore a natural point of observation for the observer. Of course God is the ultimate universal point of reference. He is nevertheless omnipresent so take your pick. He does reside here on earth though in our tabernacles:-). We too are made in his image and likeness and are the apple of His eye so it makes sense to me for earth to be the observational point of reference for man.
V.R.S.
Metaphysics says so. Theology also says that Earth is the centre. When it comes to cosmography and physics - I do not know I am not transcendent to this universe like God to make a valid, absolute (non-relative) observation.
Caroline03
This is not the most popular topic even with Christians - still, guess what? - Here are two bible verses that were used in Galileo’s heresy trial, indicating that the sun orbits the earth:

Ecclesiastes 1:5: The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Joshua 10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves …More
This is not the most popular topic even with Christians - still, guess what? - Here are two bible verses that were used in Galileo’s heresy trial, indicating that the sun orbits the earth:

Ecclesiastes 1:5: The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Joshua 10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.

Also not popular is the fact that the Douay Rheims Challoner is many times altered from the Original Douay Rheims. eg Isaiah 40:22

"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, Douay Challoner

www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d

"He that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth" The Original Douay Rheims Bible.

archive.org/…/Douay-Rheims-16…

Now for STATIONARY Earth passages.... 😀

1 Chronicles 16:30
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalm 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalm 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: He shall judge the people righteously.

Psalm 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Then of course - the "Ends of the Earth" are easier to achieve on a "flat" surface perhaps?
😀

Proverbs 30:4

"Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is the name of his Son? Surely you know!

So that's what Scripture used to say..... Modern translations put a different slant on things & are adjusted to match the prevailing scientific opinion, - as well as being altered to suit the agenda/preferences of a godless world that has taken a spiritual nosedive into the deepest Abyss during the last 100 years. They evolve - even if mankind has not. (See John Chapter 5)

Christ says we are to believe ALL that Moses spoke of in His Writings

[45] Think not that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one that accuseth you, Moses, in whom you trust.

[46] For if you did believe Moses, you would perhaps believe Me also; for he wrote of Me. [47] But if you do not believe His writings, how will you believe My words?
(John 5)

NB The writings of Moses - ie: the first 5 books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) Genesis says we are created in the image and likeness of Our Lord. - NOT evolving....

This is all found within the pages of Scripture - Perhaps we should take note of what Christ said to in John Chapter 5 and literally BELIEVE what Sacred Scripture says...
Caroline03
PS Christ saying "Moses wrote about Me."
In the Gospel of John chapter 1 - Christ is said to be "The Word" who was there at the beginning with God (The Father) .... and is GOD Himself.

Christ's pre-incarnate title is The Word of God.

Wisdom 18
"[14] For while all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her course, [15] Thy almighty Word leapt down from Heaven from Thy …More
PS Christ saying "Moses wrote about Me."
In the Gospel of John chapter 1 - Christ is said to be "The Word" who was there at the beginning with God (The Father) .... and is GOD Himself.

Christ's pre-incarnate title is The Word of God.

Wisdom 18
"[14] For while all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her course, [15] Thy almighty Word leapt down from Heaven from Thy Royal Throne, as a fierce conqueror into the midst of the land of destruction."

Christ was "The Word whom became Flesh" as St John says in the Gospel of St John Chapter One

The writings of Theophilus of Antioch confirm this

(Theophilus of Antioch was a companion of St Luke - it is He whom is referred to in his Gospel

"It seemed good to me also, having diligently attained to all things from the beginning, to write to thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,"
[Luke 1:3]

"The former treatise I made, O Theophilus, of all things which Jesus began to do and to teach,"
[Acts of Apostles 1:1]

The World Created by God through the Word.

Theophilus to Autolycus — Theophilus of Antioch

God, then,having His own Word internal [566] within His own bowels, begat Him, emitting [567] Him along with His own wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by Him He made all things. He is called "governing principle" [harke], because He rules, and is Lord of all things fashioned by Him. He, then, being Spirit of God, and governing principle, and wisdom, and power of the highest, came down upon the prophets, and through them spoke of the creation of the world and of all other things. For the prophets were not when the world came into existence, but the wisdom of God which was in Him, and His holy Word which was always present with Him. Wherefore He speaks thus by the prophet Solomon: "When He prepared the heavens I was there, and when He appointed the foundations of the earth I was by Him as one brought up with Him." (Proverbs 8)

biblehub.com

Proverbs 8 according to Theophilus of Antioch is CHRIST speaking....

...... before the hills I was brought forth:

[26] He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was present: when with a certain law and compass he enclosed the depths: [28] When he established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters: [29] When he compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when he balanced the foundations of the earth; [30] I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times;

[31] Playing in the world: and my delights were to be with the children of men. [32] Now therefore, ye children, hear me: Blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, and that watcheth daily at my gates, and waiteth at the posts of my doors.

See also......

THE WORD"
www.newadvent.org
oneinmessiah.net
web.archive.org
www.bible.ca
juchre.org

. 😊
Ultraviolet
FSSP priests are uncomromising when criticizing error and sin. Confessions can become a terrifying foretaste of The Final Judgement.