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Praised be Jesus Christ!

Thanks a lot for the reflections on the errors of Russia. There are strong proofs, that Russia has first of all the great error of secularism beginning from the 17th Century, which today is ensalving almost the whole Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Patriarch Nikon and both Tsars, Ivan V. and Peter the Great were the strong reformers of the great secularist deformations…More
Praised be Jesus Christ!

Thanks a lot for the reflections on the errors of Russia. There are strong proofs, that Russia has first of all the great error of secularism beginning from the 17th Century, which today is ensalving almost the whole Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Patriarch Nikon and both Tsars, Ivan V. and Peter the Great were the strong reformers of the great secularist deformations of the Russian Orthodox Church and of the Russian Sacral Monarchy. In the same way, there are strong proofs that Roncalli and Montini, with their obedience to the KGB of the Soviet Union, were the strong reformers of the great secularist deformations of the Catholic Church and of the Vatican Sacral Monarchy.
The New Knights Templar
Global Communism and Christian genocide.
V.R.S.
"Russia spreading its errors"
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the Vatican II:
- making a pact with communists (the so-called Metz agreement) and keeping silence on the threat of communism to:
- invite some Soviet agents to Rome under the guise of "Orthodox" priests (i.e. heretics denying the Immaculate Conception dogma).
Could errors of Russia be more spread?

PS Please note, the Holy See has never acknowledged the Soviet …More
"Russia spreading its errors"
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the Vatican II:
- making a pact with communists (the so-called Metz agreement) and keeping silence on the threat of communism to:
- invite some Soviet agents to Rome under the guise of "Orthodox" priests (i.e. heretics denying the Immaculate Conception dogma).
Could errors of Russia be more spread?

PS Please note, the Holy See has never acknowledged the Soviet Union de jure.
Joao H Machado
And you are correct on all of these points...but it is important to understand a few things. I go over this in my book but I will try to summarize it. First Russia is a people, that also had a land. Our Lady said that Russia would spread her errors, but Russia was not communist when she said that and Russia as a land seized to exist after the revolution. Remember, Israel was a Nation long before …More
And you are correct on all of these points...but it is important to understand a few things. I go over this in my book but I will try to summarize it. First Russia is a people, that also had a land. Our Lady said that Russia would spread her errors, but Russia was not communist when she said that and Russia as a land seized to exist after the revolution. Remember, Israel was a Nation long before it had a land! So the Blessed mother wants the Russian People, the Nation of Russia to be consecrated to her immaculate heart, not the territorial borders. The Russian errors is something in the past of the Orthodox Church, Communism is the punishment for sure but cannot be the errors.
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
"Russia as a land seized to exist after the revolution"
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As I mentioned above - for the Holy See (and for Heaven I guess) Russia as a land did not cease to exist (the Soviet Union has never existed de jure)

"The Russian errors is something in the past of the Orthodox Church, Communism is the punishment for sure but cannot be the errors"
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In my humble opinion, presented …More
@Joao H Machado
"Russia as a land seized to exist after the revolution"
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As I mentioned above - for the Holy See (and for Heaven I guess) Russia as a land did not cease to exist (the Soviet Union has never existed de jure)

"The Russian errors is something in the past of the Orthodox Church, Communism is the punishment for sure but cannot be the errors"
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In my humble opinion, presented above, the errors in question were/are multiple and multi-layered i.e.:
- heresies of the "Orthodox" past (e.g. the denial of the Immaculate Conception),
- erroneous syncretic and irenistic ideologies (cf. e.g. Sacred Israel - Holy Russia book and persons like N. Berdayev or... Raissa Maritain),
- communism,
- most probably also renewed communism or neo-communism that threatens now the remnants of the civilization in Europe.
Joao H Machado
@V.R.S. Yes, you are correct, the crux of the issue for me is this, the Blessed Mother specifically stated that "Russia would spread her errors", now Communism and all of it's evils was not spread by Russia, it was spread by the Bolsheviks, therefore the errors cannot be Communism. Communism is without a doubt the punishment. This is what I state in my book, there must be something in the …More
@V.R.S. Yes, you are correct, the crux of the issue for me is this, the Blessed Mother specifically stated that "Russia would spread her errors", now Communism and all of it's evils was not spread by Russia, it was spread by the Bolsheviks, therefore the errors cannot be Communism. Communism is without a doubt the punishment. This is what I state in my book, there must be something in the Russian Orthodox Church that is the errors, I am not an Eastern Rite expert by any means but one thing I can understand is that when the Blessed Mother spoke of the errors of Russia, she implied that they already existed and would be spread to the Church.
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
I think in the first place it's the rejection of the IC dogma - cf. the relation of s. Lucia about her vision in Tuy 29/30 May 1930 on the Five Saturdays devotion (I think here lies a key to the list of errors):
"As I was in the chapel with Our Lord part of the night of May 29-30, 1930, and speaking to Our Lord about questions… I suddenly found myself more intimately possessed …More
@Joao H Machado
I think in the first place it's the rejection of the IC dogma - cf. the relation of s. Lucia about her vision in Tuy 29/30 May 1930 on the Five Saturdays devotion (I think here lies a key to the list of errors):
"As I was in the chapel with Our Lord part of the night of May 29-30, 1930, and speaking to Our Lord about questions… I suddenly found myself more intimately possessed by the Divine Presence, and if I am not mistaken, here is what was revealed to me:

My daughter, the motive [of Five Saturdays] is simple: there are five ways in which people offend and blaspheme against the Immaculate Heart of Mary”:

The blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception. [Russian O. Church as rejecting the dogma]
The blasphemies against Her Virginity. [judaizers?]
The blasphemies against Her Divine Maternity, refusing accept Her as the Mother of all mankind. [syncretism? pseudo-ecumenism?]
The blasphemies of those who try publicly to implant in children’s hearts indifference, contempt and even hate against this Immaculate Mother. [looks like communists ]
The offences of those who insult Her directly in Her sacred images. [now we have such a problem in Poland - with LGBTists profaning sacred images of Our Lady with the Infant but whether there is any connection with Russia I do not know]

Communism was spread by Russia because Russia was the main vehicle to spread communism (though there were also other communist countries e.g. Hungary of Bela Kuhn was the first soviet republic in Europe)
Joao H Machado
"Communism was spread by Russia because Russia was the main vehicle to spread communism (though there were also other communist countries e.g. Hungary of Bela Kuhn was the first soviet republic in Europe)"

I believe you are confusing Russia the land/territory with Russia, the Nation/People. Russia did not spread communism, the Bolsheviks did. The rest you are right on the money as they say.
Live Mike
Just as a reminder…

On 15 July 1946, Catholic historian Professor William Thomas Walsh interviewed Sister Lucia at her convent of the Dorothean Sisters at Vilar, Portugal. This interview clearly demonstrates that Our Lady’s request for the Consecration of Russia will only be fulfilled when the Pope and together with the world’s Catholic bishops consecrate specifically Russia.
“Sister Lucia made …More
Just as a reminder…

On 15 July 1946, Catholic historian Professor William Thomas Walsh interviewed Sister Lucia at her convent of the Dorothean Sisters at Vilar, Portugal. This interview clearly demonstrates that Our Lady’s request for the Consecration of Russia will only be fulfilled when the Pope and together with the world’s Catholic bishops consecrate specifically Russia.
“Sister Lucia made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to Her Immaculate Heart. What She [Our Lady] demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia. Sister Lucia stated more than once and with deliberate emphasis: ‘What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world’.”
Professor Walsh asked, “Does this mean, in your opinion, that every country [including the United States of America and the Vatican City State], without exception, will be overcome by Communism?”
Sister Lucia replied, “Yes.” [this was her precise answer] – William Thomas Walsh, Our Lady of Fatima 4th printing, (1947) p. 226; See also Louis Kaczmarek, The Wonders She Performs, 1986, p. 160

Russia has not embraced the Catholic Faith and thus cannot possibly be said to have converted.
Father Joaquin Alonso, probably the foremost Fatima expert of the 20th Century, had many interviews with Sister Lucy. Fr. Joaquin Alonso in 1976 wrote:
“… we should affirm that Sister Lucia always thought that the ‘conversion’ of Russia is not to be limited to the return of the Russian people to the Orthodox Christian religions, rejecting the Marxist atheism of the Soviets, but rather, it refers purely, plainly and simply to the total, integral conversion of Russia to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.”- La Verdad sobre el Secreto de Fatima, Fatima sin mitos, Father Joaquin Alonso, (2nd edition, Ejercito Azul, Madrid, 1988) p. 78. English translation by Joseph Cain. Original Spanish reads: “… podriamos decir que Lucia ha pensado siempre que la conversión de Rusia no se entiende solo de un retorno de los pueblos de Rusia a la religion cristiano-ortodoxa, rechazando el ateismo marxista y ateo de los soviets, sino que se refiere pura y llanmente a la conversion total e integral de un retorno a la unica y verdadera Iglesia, la catolica-romana.”

There is the little-known revelation of Our Lady of Fatima to Sister Lucia in the early 1950s. Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucy in May 1952 and said: “Make it known to the Holy Father that I am always awaiting the Consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. Without that Consecration, Russia will not be able to convert, nor will the world have peace.”- Il Pellegrinaggio Della Meraviglie, p. 440. Rome, 1960. This same work, published under the auspices of the Italian episcopate, affirms that this message was communicated to Pope Pius XII in June. Also, Canon Barthas mentioned that apparition in his communication to the Mariological Congress of Lisbon-Fatima, in 1967; see De Primoridiis cultus marianae, Acta congressus mariologici-mariana in Lusitania anno 1967 celebrati, p. 517. Rome, 1970. See Frère François de Marie des Anges, Fatima: Intimate Joy World Event, Book Four, Fatima: Tragedy and Triumph, pp. 21 and 37.

NOTE: It is an historical fact that Russia has NEVER been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart by any Pope together with all of the Catholic Bishops in strict accordance with the command of God given to Sister Lucia by Our Lady at Tuy, Spain June 13, 1929. Consequently, Russia never converted to Catholicism, the errors of Russia spread around the world, peace never came, wars are commonplace and Christians are persecuted & martyred.

Finally, God has asked for something to be done and He waits for our faithful obedience.
God has not asked for our understanding or comprehension as to His reasons for doing so.

Sincerely and respectfully yours in the Passion of the Church,
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
"I believe you are confusing Russia the land/territory with Russia, the Nation/People. Russia did not spread communism, the Bolsheviks did"
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I am not. The state is simply an organizational form of a national or multi-national society (as St. Augustine says in Civitate Dei united by love for the common "good" which creates the ground for the state). I.e. "Nazi" Germany was …More
@Joao H Machado
"I believe you are confusing Russia the land/territory with Russia, the Nation/People. Russia did not spread communism, the Bolsheviks did"
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I am not. The state is simply an organizational form of a national or multi-national society (as St. Augustine says in Civitate Dei united by love for the common "good" which creates the ground for the state). I.e. "Nazi" Germany was the German state being the vehicle for national socialism and its montrosities. Similarly "Soviet" Russia was the vehicle to spread communism. Probably, there would had been no vehicle for spreading communism if there had been no Russia, if the seed Bolsheviks sew had fallen on the bare ground (e.g. in the Hungarian example - communists were driven out after some months of terror).

However, you are right - the source problem to identify the "errors of Russia" is: what Russia is / was (in the history; in particular what the civilization of Russia was).
AFAIK it was a mixture of:
- etatistic, overwhelming "Byzantism" (the cult of the state and the secular power, imperialism, caesaropapism or rather tzaropapism) with
- wild, even more despotic orientalism (resulting from Mongol influence) and
- judaistic messianism (e.g. "Third Rome" slogan).
In such case the ideology/cult the ruler imposes (regardless whether you have Tzar or the Central Commitee of the Com-Party) becomes the ideology/cult of the nation (society), force dominates over faith/thought.

In other words, for example, watch new Cov ("public health") cult being imposed everywhere and accepted by people without any reflection and you'll see old errors of Russia.
Joao H Machado
I agree with this statement, but I just have to make sure that we understand that a State is not a Nation, a Nation is a People of common Origin that may or may not reside in a particular land/territory. As I stated before, Israel was a Nation long before it had a country. The reason I will not relent on this point is because our Blessed Mother asked for Russia, not the land of Russia, not the …More
I agree with this statement, but I just have to make sure that we understand that a State is not a Nation, a Nation is a People of common Origin that may or may not reside in a particular land/territory. As I stated before, Israel was a Nation long before it had a country. The reason I will not relent on this point is because our Blessed Mother asked for Russia, not the land of Russia, not the Peoples of Russia (as pope Pius XII stated in his consecration in 1952) but Russia, ie: the People known as Russians. This does not refer to the Soviet Union, which was initially a federation of 15 different territories/countries.
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
Again: in the Apostolic See (and I guess: Heaven) nomenclature there was no state named the Soviet Union. There was (still) Russia (satelite minor lands were not independent).
Moreover, the USSR was in fact no federation (though they claim it was). The federation is when different nations/states decide to form a form of union (e.g. the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth originated …More
@Joao H Machado
Again: in the Apostolic See (and I guess: Heaven) nomenclature there was no state named the Soviet Union. There was (still) Russia (satelite minor lands were not independent).
Moreover, the USSR was in fact no federation (though they claim it was). The federation is when different nations/states decide to form a form of union (e.g. the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth originated in the XIVth century) not when one dominating state/nation/ruling circle forces the fictuous, facade name/look for the one empire on the lands of the former Russian Empire (i.e. lands of Russia in 1917).The empire ruled in fact by one ruler (i.e. the Commie Party with new tsars like J. Stalin).
No, I do not think that Heaven bought the commie propaganda about the federation of people's republics.
Moreover, in 1917 (date of Fatima) Russia =/ the Russian nation (in today meaning of the word). There were Muscovites, Cossacks, Caucasian tribes, etc. living under the rule of Tsar. The Russian civilization, yes, the Russian state yes, but it did not mean the Russian nation in the narrow nationalistic meaning.
So as far as I see we have different points of view here.
Joao H Machado
You are right, the Soviet Union was a forced entity, it is only now that they call themselves a federation. But you prove my point, Russia is first and foremost a people, do you agree with that or not?
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado

To clarify: In my humble opinion, Russia - the Russian civilization (as a method of organization of the society/state) and, of course, all the people of it (i.e. not only the Russian nation in the today's meaning of the phrase)

PS The current political name is thus irrelevant e.g. the Russian Tsardom - brought tsaropapism and the consequential rejection of Catholic dogmas, …More
@Joao H Machado

To clarify: In my humble opinion, Russia - the Russian civilization (as a method of organization of the society/state) and, of course, all the people of it (i.e. not only the Russian nation in the today's meaning of the phrase)

PS The current political name is thus irrelevant e.g. the Russian Tsardom - brought tsaropapism and the consequential rejection of Catholic dogmas, including but not limited to the Immaculate Conception, the Soviet Russia brought communism, new post-1990 Russia brought irenism, syncretism and false ecumenism (cf. e.g. the Balamand agreement) and again the cult of the strong secular power. The root and common denominators of all errors of Russia I mentioned in one of above comments (in short: byzantinism, despotic orientalism and false messianism)
Joao H Machado
"Russia - the Russian civilization (as a method of organization of the society/state)", this is not historical or Biblical, one needs to understand what a Nation is. A good read is to go back to what happened in Babylon and the tower.
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
In my opinion, the other interpretation is not historical (in other words is anarchonistic) because in 1917 (and earlier) Russia was not a national state but an empire. And it remained the empire during the Soviet Russia/USSR period.
As I've said we have different points of view for the question. God bless you.
Joao H Machado
It doesn't matter... Russia is a nation, a people first.
V.R.S.
@Joao H Machado
The point is that in the Russian civilization like in other despotic, mechanistic civilizations people are not first, the first is the Tsar or another holder of the absolute imperium (even if it is the Party's collective body).
In other words the Tsar is a god regardless of the true God.It means that true God is ultimately irrelevant because the Russian "godhead" changes with …More
@Joao H Machado
The point is that in the Russian civilization like in other despotic, mechanistic civilizations people are not first, the first is the Tsar or another holder of the absolute imperium (even if it is the Party's collective body).
In other words the Tsar is a god regardless of the true God.It means that true God is ultimately irrelevant because the Russian "godhead" changes with the ruler. So one day you have a false messiah of the "Third Rome" under the "Orthodox" banners, another day you have the false messiah of total communism.
Of course, the above is generalization which means that not all Russian individuals fit into the above general scheme (as not all the Germans supported national socialism and not all the Jews killed Christ).
Joao H Machado
ok, good luck to you with that!
Kevin
Thanks for this @Live Mike. But I do wonder what Fr Alonso meant by that sentence: "“An inopportune revelation of the text would only have further exasperated the two tendencies which continue to tear the Church apart: a traditionalism which would believe itself to be assisted by the Fatima prophecies, and a progressivism which would have lashed out against these apparitions, which in such a …More
Thanks for this @Live Mike. But I do wonder what Fr Alonso meant by that sentence: "“An inopportune revelation of the text would only have further exasperated the two tendencies which continue to tear the Church apart: a traditionalism which would believe itself to be assisted by the Fatima prophecies, and a progressivism which would have lashed out against these apparitions, which in such a scandalous manner would seem to put the brakes on the conciliar Church's forward progress". Surely if Our Lady expressly requested it to be released no later than 1960, it could hardly be called 'inopportune' to release it after that. They should have trusted the Mother of God. Also thanks to @Joao H Machado for the Frere Michel books website - fantastic. I still have the original trilogy in paperback, bought in Fatima years ago, and well read over the years. The only place I could find the trilogy online until now was a dodgy sedevacantist website which had added a fourth book - not written by Frere Michel - which was a load of rubbish, so I wouldn't promote the site. It's good to have your link to send to people.
Live Mike
@Kevin Are you familiar with the testimony of Father Ingo Döllinger?
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told a personal friend, a German priest and former professor of theology in Brazil (Father Ingo Döllinger) that Our Lady warned that there would be an evil Council in the Church that would cause great scandal. Not long after the June 26, 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregatio…More
@Kevin Are you familiar with the testimony of Father Ingo Döllinger?
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told a personal friend, a German priest and former professor of theology in Brazil (Father Ingo Döllinger) that Our Lady warned that there would be an evil Council in the Church that would cause great scandal. Not long after the June 26, 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Fr. Döllinger during an in-person conversation that there is still a part of the Third Secret that they have not published! “There is more than what we published,” Ratzinger said. He also told Döllinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about “a bad council and a bad Mass” that was to come in the near future.
“What we have published is not the whole secret.” “We were instructed to do so.” – Gottfried Kiniger’s recorded conversation with Father Ingo Döllinger

onepeterfive.com/…ratzinger-not-published-whole-third-secret-fatima/
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onepeterfive.com/…father-dollingers-claim-cardinal-ratzinger-fatima/
voxcantor.blogspot.com/…016/05/fatima-secret-not-all-released-alleged.html
Live Mike
When Pope Benedict XVI was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, around 1990 he revealed to his friend [Fr. Ingo Döllinger] that in the Third Secret of Fatima Our Lady warns not to change the liturgy. Our Lady warned against changing the Mass and there would be an evil [an iniquitous] Council in the Church.
The elderly German priest [Father Ingo Döllinger], Ratzinger’s long-time personal friend, took …
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When Pope Benedict XVI was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, around 1990 he revealed to his friend [Fr. Ingo Döllinger] that in the Third Secret of Fatima Our Lady warns not to change the liturgy. Our Lady warned against changing the Mass and there would be an evil [an iniquitous] Council in the Church.
The elderly German priest [Father Ingo Döllinger], Ratzinger’s long-time personal friend, took note of the fact that when this vision of the Third Secret was published on June 26, 2000 it did not contain those things, those elements of the Third Secret that Cardinal Ratzinger had revealed to him nearly ten years earlier. The German priest, Father Ingo Döllinger, told me [Father Paul Kramer] that his question was burning in his mind on the day he concelebrated with Cardinal Ratzinger. Father Döllinger said to me [Father Paul Kramer], “I [Father Ingo Döllinger] confronted Cardinal Ratzinger to his face.” And of course he asked Cardinal Ratzinger, “How can this be the entire Third Secret? Remember what you told me before?” Cardinal Ratzinger was cornered. He didn’t know what to say and so he blurted out to his friend in German, “Wirklich gebt das der etwas” which means, “Really there is something more there,” meaning there is something more in the Third Secret. The Cardinal stated this quite plainly. - The first published account of Fr. Ingo Döllinger’s testimony (of which we are aware) appeared in an interview with Fr. Paul Kramer in Fatima Crusader Issue #92 in May of 2009.

Question: This is an amazing story. Is Father Döllinger a credible witness?
Answer by Father Paul Kramer: I can say this much, we’re talking about an elderly priest, a long-time personal friend of Pope Benedict XVI, a man who was a long-time personal acquaintance of St. Padre Pio of Pietrelcina. In fact, he told me he had gone to confession to Padre Pio 58 times. This is a man who for many years was the Rector of a seminary in South America; a man who is highly esteemed, who is of great reputation in the Church. I would also point out that in the diocese where he worked what I have said about the Third Secret, what Cardinal Ratzinger revealed to him, was common knowledge among the young priests who were seminarians and deacons at the time this man was Rector. They all know the story that Cardinal Ratzinger had told him. As I mentioned, they had even put together a dossier and sent it to Cardinal Ratzinger. So he is a man of great credibility, worthy of credence; a man of great seriousness who is not given over to making up fabulous stories, or exaggerating self-importance. The man had no need of such things; he’s a man of utmost credibility.

Father Döllinger was himself also involved with the German Bishops’ Conference’s discussions concerning freemasonry in the 1970s at the end of which came the statement that freemasonry is not compatible with the Catholic Faith.
Kevin
Yes I was aware of these - I have studied Fatima for 30+ years - but I still can't fathom what Fr Alonso was getting at. Maybe he was being careful and trying to be seen to take a 'centrist' position. I believe he ended up being silenced and moved in the end.
Live Mike
Yes, I suspect Fr. Alonso wanted to appear as a completely objective historian in his work... knowing full well the turmoil taking place amongst the hierarchy behind the scenes.
Joao H Machado
You can read all three volumes from Frère Michel here, for free: machado-family.com
Live Mike
On the 1st of July 1972 Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, Bishop of Leiria-Fatima at the age of 68 resigned before his 75th birthday. What caused this defender and an advocate of the true Messages of Our Lady of Fatima & Garabandal to resign? Was he under pressure from above?

All 24 volumes of Fr. Joaquin Alonso’s work, “Fatima Texts and Critical Studies” were ready for publication in 1975. However,…More
On the 1st of July 1972 Bishop João Pereira Venâncio, Bishop of Leiria-Fatima at the age of 68 resigned before his 75th birthday. What caused this defender and an advocate of the true Messages of Our Lady of Fatima & Garabandal to resign? Was he under pressure from above?

All 24 volumes of Fr. Joaquin Alonso’s work, “Fatima Texts and Critical Studies” were ready for publication in 1975. However, the presses were literally stopped by the new Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, Bishop Alberto Cosme do Amaral. As a result, Father Alonso’s years of research was prevented from reaching the public. Only two of the twenty-four volumes were eventually published (in 1992 and 1999, respectively), but in a heavily redacted form. The other 22 volumes remain unpublished, even though they were fully prepared for the press in 1975.

Why would Fr. Joaquin Alonso, officially commissioned by the Church to make a critical study of the Fatima Apparitions and Message, be prevented from publishing? Have those in authority who wish to suppress, subvert or obfuscate the Message of Our Lady of Fatima determined that the “telling findings” of Fr. Alonso must be buried with the rest of the Fatima Message? Also, if the Vatican is telling the truth and the Third Secret of Fatima was completely revealed on the 26th of June 2000 (comprised of 62 lines on four sheets of paper), then why haven’t the complete version of all 24 volumes (800 pages each) been released and published as of July of 2021?
Kevin
Fr Edouard Dhanis SJ did incalculable damage to Fatima - he virtually accused Sister Lucia of making half of it up, and divided the message into 'Fatima I' (what he deemed to be genuine) and 'Fatima II' (what he deemed to be Sister Lucia's erroneous imagination) yet he was the only 'theologian' mentioned in the 2000 Vatican document 'The Message of Fatima'. That in itself speaks volumes.
Live Mike
@Joao H Machado If you are in anyway connected to the webpage... then many thanks for the years of service you have provided to the world in promoting the Whole Truth about Fatima! May God bless you and Our Lady protect you always, Sincerely yours in the Passion of the Church,
Joao H Machado
@Live Mike Yes, that is my work and doing. No thanks needed but accepted with humility.
Scapular
Absolutely the Third Secret which deals with the failure of the Popes and Bishops-hierarchy has not been revealed because the hierarchy are dishonest and disobedient to the Catholic Faith. They are no longer supernatural but revel in the natural.
Joao H Machado
It goes deeper than that... it points to the unholy alliance. I hate to plug my own book, but you would be shocked at the conclusion. Fatima, The Pope & America.
Scapular
JMJ well done Joao I am continuing my study on Fatima and will eventually check out your resources. Ave Maria
Live Mike
@Joao H Machado Are you referring to either of these events?

In 1963 during a public admonition to his spiritual sons amidst the Second Vatican Council Padre Pio said:
"Due to the rampant injustice and abuse of power, we have reached a compromise [The Vatican-Moscow Agreement or Pact of Metz] with atheistic materialism [Communism], a denial of the rights of God. This is the punishment …More
@Joao H Machado Are you referring to either of these events?

In 1963 during a public admonition to his spiritual sons amidst the Second Vatican Council Padre Pio said:
"Due to the rampant injustice and abuse of power, we have reached a compromise [The Vatican-Moscow Agreement or Pact of Metz] with atheistic materialism [Communism], a denial of the rights of God. This is the punishment foretold at Fatima ... All the priests who support the possibility of a dialogue with the negators of God and with the Luciferian powers of the world [Freemasonry] are mad, have lost their faith, no longer believe in the Gospel! In so doing they betray the word of God, because Christ came to bring on earth perpetual covenant only to men of heart [good will], but did not join with the men thirsty for power and dominion over the brothers ... The flock is dispersed when the shepherds ally with the enemies of the Truth of Christ. All the forms of power made deaf to the will of the authority of the heart of God are rapacious wolves that renew the passion of Christ and make the Madonna shed tears ... " - Published in "Avvenire" August 19, 1978; See also partial quote in "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" 2006 by Antonio Socci

29 June 1963 – “The Enthronement” written about by Fr. Malachi Martin in The Keys of this Blood and Windswept House on the Feast Day of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles
Joao H Machado
I suppose that is part of it, but I am reserved in explaining in details here because it took three short chapters in my book to come to the conclusion. Needles to say, it is much worst, the residents of the US and Canada are at risk...