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Abp Viganò: Heretical Council? Who can answer the Abp?

Who can respond to the Archbishop?

“I ask then: if you admit, dear Father Thomas – as a painful trial to which Providence is subjecting the Church in order to punish her for the faults of her most unworthy members and especially of her leaders – that the Pope himself is in a state of schism with the Church, to the point of being able to speak of an “internal papal schism”, why can you not accept that the same has happened for a solemn act like a Council, and that Vatican II was a case of “internal Magisterial schism”? If it is possible for this Pope to be “for all practical purposes schismatic” – and I would say also heretical – why could not that Council also have been so, despite the fact that both one and the other were instituted by Our Lord to confirm the brethren in Faith and Morals?(My emphasis)

Source:
Letter #21, Monday, August 10, 2020: Again, the Council
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- Is Archbishop Viganò’s Rejection of the Second Vatican Council Promoting Schism?
Posted by Father Raymond J. de Souza on Friday Aug 28th, 2020 at 5:56 PM
COMMENTARY: In his latest ‘testimony,’ the former nuncio holds a position contrary to the Catholic faith on the authority of ecumenical councils.
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Fr. Thomas G. Weinandy, OFM., Cap:
A Response to Archbishop Viganò’s Letter about Vatican II – Catholic World Report
“First, instead of addressing my Inside the Vatican article, the archbishop brings to the fore a piece I wrote for The Catholic Thing (October 8, 2019). He does so because he thinks he can turn my own argument there against me, that is, to falsify what I wrote in Inside the Vatican …More
Fr. Thomas G. Weinandy, OFM., Cap:

A Response to Archbishop Viganò’s Letter about Vatican II – Catholic World Report

“First, instead of addressing my Inside the Vatican article, the archbishop brings to the fore a piece I wrote for The Catholic Thing (October 8, 2019). He does so because he thinks he can turn my own argument there against me, that is, to falsify what I wrote in Inside the Vatican, and so use it to promote his own highly ideological agenda. This is a very clever tactic, but one that does not work.

“In my Catholic Thing article, I argued that Pope Francis, although the Pontiff of the Catholic Church, has become, for all practical purposes, the leader of those elements within the Church that are verging on schism, such as the bishops of Germany. Archbishop Viganò attempts to interpret my description of this double role as my dividing Pope Francis (the Pontiff) from Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the “exuberant” Argentinian. The archbishop then argues, in his letter to me, that the same can be said of the Second Vatican Council, that is, that the Council, while an authentic ecumenical council, ended up promoting an agenda that was schismatic and even heretical—the culprits being Pope John XXIII and those bishops and cardinals in league with him. Thus, as Pope Francis is both the Pope of the Church, and yet the leader of a potentially schismatic church, so the Council is both an authentic Council, and yet one that has, through its documents, provoked a schismatic church, one that, in its teaching on faith and morals, is contrary to previous Councils and magisterial teaching. In so doing, Vatican II has lost its magisterial legitimacy.

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“Such a position smacks of being the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit. One has essentially placed one’s own judgement over that of the Council. Yes, there may be some ambiguities, but such ambiguity is not unique to Councils.”
V.R.S.
Late cardinal de Lubac whose errors made Pius XII publish Humani generis.
foward
No sir. Lubac was called into question by Pius XII.
foward
Viganò has understood: the 2CV cannot be the work of the Church.
V.R.S.
And of course - the master of the American Proposal for the Church Fr. Murray.
2 more comments from V.R.S.
V.R.S.
There was also one sodom-loving convert Fr. Baum.One of most ardent proponents of Nostra Aetate, probably because of his ethnic origin.
V.R.S.
The journal of certain Fr.Congar comes to my mind in particular one scene of that huuuumble Father in the Rockefeller's villa.