FSSPX Priest Suggests that Transalpine Redemptorists Aligned with Archbishop Viganò

There is alignment, or at least tacit sympathy, between the Transalpine Redemptorists in Scotland and Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, an anonymous priest of the Priestly Fraternity of St Pius X (FSSPX) told TheCatholicHerald.com on 2 November.

The priest doubts that they will try to work with the FSSPX, saying: "I think they have gone full sedevacantist. They used to be prior to their reconciliation in 2007."

In a statement on 16 October, Monsignor Viganò praised the community for distancing themselves from the Church the previous day.

He added that he offered the community "full support", whatever that may mean.

On 24 October, the Bishop Hugh Gilbert of Aberdeen stated that the Redemptorists' declaration was "incompatible with the Catholic sense of the Church's unity". He added that the Holy See was examining the matter.

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john333Nov 4edited

Truth needs correct authority once in awhile like St Paul correcting Peter . If the papacy is in the hands of the enemy and ecclesial freemasonry is running the show. This gets complicated only angels know how to separate the weeds and wheat.
Consecration to our Lady Immaculate Heart only way out. Fasting and prayers only way to drive this one out.

Fr. David NixNov 3

Any priest who speaks anonymously doesn't really believe what he says.

K R RossNov 4

Or he might have a very good reason to; generalizations are often wrong.

SonoftheChurchNov 3edited

Let us pray that the good Brethren have not drunk of the poisonous horrors of sedevacantism. Such wickedness will be their doom. They must not abandon Peter, regardless of how dark the night becomes.

123jussiNov 4

We have not abandoned Peter and there is nothing wrong in recognizing that he has abandoned us. We are not the source of disunity they are in their lack of faith and perversion.

K R RossNov 3

If true, sad! The papacy is not a syllogism. Popes can err and still be pope.

Louis IXNov 3

Where do the Redemptorists say that Leo isn’t the pope?

fowardNov 4

@K R Ross If the Pope can err in his teaching, then the Church doesn't need the Pope, which is false.
That is something similar to Protestantism.
What truth of faith do these religious people deny?

K R RossNov 4

The pope can err in his ordinary magisterial teaching if he is not prudent and lacks discernment. He can also err as a private theologians when his theological opinions are erroneous ie. John XXII.

fowardNov 5

But if he errs in his teaching, even if not solemnly, as John XXII did, he must correct himself. This is what John XXII did before his death, at the suggestion of the theologians and bishops of his time. And that is why Saint Bellarmine said he maintained his papacy.

Anthony NovemberNov 2

“In a statement on 16 October, Monsignor Viganò praised the community for distancing themselves from the Church the previous day.“
No. Not the Church.
The Synodal Church.
One of these is Catholic, the other is nothing else than the synthesis of all heresies.

Denis EfimovNov 2

They stated: “We repudiate the Synodal Church as distinct from the Divinely constituted Catholic Church.”
This understanding is consistent with what Monsignor Lefebvre called for: “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church”; "It is a question of the radical incompatibility between the Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church"; “this Council represents... a new church which they call themselves the ‘Conciliar Church"; "Conciliar Church is a schismatic Church"; “The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic".

mccallansteveNov 2

I'm all in with these true Catholics.

Carol HNov 2

True Catholics are in union with the Papacy. St. Peter is eternal. His authority is eternal. ANYONE who protests against the Papacy is a protestant.

Denis EfimovNov 2

In their statement, the Transalpine Redemptorists are far removed from any protests against the Papacy. On the contrary, they certainly support the Papacy. But not the heretical occupiers.

Carol HNov 3

The Papacy cannot be eternal if there are now "occupiers"; it's a contradiction of terms. The Catholic faith teaches we must recognise St. Peter even when he is personally denying Christ; he's personal failings do not alter his God given authority. When His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre called us to seperate from the 'concilliar church' he meant for us to seperate ourselves from the error being taught, not from the establishment itself. He always advocated 'recognise and resist'. It's a question of making distinctions.

Louis IXNov 3edited

No where in their statement do the Redemptorists deny the papacy. It really is that simple. People love to throw the “you are a protestant” accusation around a lot these days.

Denis EfimovNov 3

As His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre said:
"From now on it is the conciliar church one must obey and be faithful to, and not to the Catholic Church. This is precisely our problem. We are suspended a divinis by the conciliar church, of which we do not want to be a part. This conciliar church is a schismatic church, because it breaks with the Catholic Church of all time. It has it’s new dogmas, it’s new priesthood, it’s new institutions, it’s new liturgy" (July 29, 1976);
"Which Church are we talking about? Are we talking about the Catholic Church, or another church, a counter church, a counterfeit of the Church? Now, I think sincerely, that we are talking about a counterfeit version of the Church, and not the Catholic Church ... The Church is occupied by this counter-church" (June 21, 1978)

fowardNov 2

"the Church's unity". With who? Those German bishops? And so on.

Boanerges BoanergesNov 2

There may be a Holy See, but those who took it by treachery are anything but holy. We witness that every day, so please stop pretending! Yes, the See is not vacant, it is occupied by the representatives of Antichristic One world religion

Louis IXNov 2

Where is Vigano’s statement? I doubt those were his words.

Mike the PikeNov 2

I cannot find what Vigano said. I think Archbishop Vigano supports the actions of the Transalpine Redemptorists. The archbishop has used similar logic to defend his fake excommunication.
The Transalpine Redemptorists have said "When a superior departs from his own obedience to Christ the King, his command is no longer the arm of Christ but the gesture of a man. [sic] We must obey God before Man."
Transalpine Redemptorists at home

Mike the PikeNov 2

More news about the Transalpine Redemptorists filtered through an alternate media source: Transalpine Redemptorists Condemn Vatican Nostra …

fowardNov 2

@Louis IX Here: Tolle Missam, tolle Ecclesiam

Louis IXNov 3

Thank you. I read it. Nowhere does he congratulate them for separating from the Church. In fact they haven’t separated themselves from the Church at all. It was a very misleading statement from en.news.

Mike the PikeNov 2

On 24 October, the Bishop Hugh Gilbert of Aberdeen appears confused and disoriented in regards to the "Church's unity".

123jussiNov 2

Do they have any examiners who know their faith well enough to really examine anything?

CatMuseNov 2

I’m sure they won’t want to examine it too closely.