Lalanz
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Fr. Nicholas Gruner and the need to obey the 3rd secret. Fr. Nicholas Gruner dedicated his entire life to promoting the Fatima 3rd Secret. He basically proofed that Russia was never really consecrated …More
Fr. Nicholas Gruner and the need to obey the 3rd secret.
Fr. Nicholas Gruner dedicated his entire life to promoting the Fatima 3rd Secret. He basically proofed that Russia was never really consecrated and that the Virgin Mary and her request by the Popes was never carried out the way she intended it.
Fr. Gruner is no longer alive, but attempted multiple times, basically begging the Vatican to follow the requests of the Virgin Mary.
I believe that the church is in this mess because of the direct errors of Popes not fulfilling what was asked of them..
Please watch these videos before you comment and try and disprove what Fr.Gruner dedicates his entire life to...
www.youtube.com/watch
Ultraviolet
I'm not sure which mess is "this" mess, Lalanz. If you mean the ongoing abuse scandal, this mess is a direct outgrowth of Vatican Council II, the promotion of Marxist ideology within The Church and Western society in general, by sympathetic intellectuals both secular and religious.
Sadly, even before the rise of Western socialism, certain Church administrators have had a long standing policy of …More
I'm not sure which mess is "this" mess, Lalanz. If you mean the ongoing abuse scandal, this mess is a direct outgrowth of Vatican Council II, the promotion of Marxist ideology within The Church and Western society in general, by sympathetic intellectuals both secular and religious.

Sadly, even before the rise of Western socialism, certain Church administrators have had a long standing policy of turning a blind eye regarding "minor" (pun intended) moral indiscretions. For centuries they counted on social pressure and shame to silence the victims of rogue priests. Society has changed, their policies have not, and they are reaping a very different sort of chastisement as a result.

For a "secret", it seems everyone already knows about it. :D
Lalanz
Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...
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Alex j
By claiming that Russia was already concentrated, you disregard Fr.Gruner’s entire life mission. Did you even read my post? In the end it stated please watch his video then disprove him. You did neither of these 2 very important things. Instead, you are choosing to assume and come up with your own assumptions. Please, Fr. Gruner has laid down facts that cannot be disregarded...

The comment about Fr. Gruner needs to reconcile with the church? Are you kidding me?

The church and most of it current hierarchy was against Fr. Gruner and is against us...

After all the posts that are posted on Gloria Tv, the current church is clearly against us the church members...
Alex A
Could it be possible that I might be more informed concerning Fr. Gruner? Might that be just possible??? I really don't want to engage in any responses that might be construed as attacking a person, who for obvious reasons, cannot defend himself. I will simply state that history has shown that OBL kept her word. Consecrate Russia to my Immaculate Heart. This was carried out effectively in 1984 by …More
Could it be possible that I might be more informed concerning Fr. Gruner? Might that be just possible??? I really don't want to engage in any responses that might be construed as attacking a person, who for obvious reasons, cannot defend himself. I will simply state that history has shown that OBL kept her word. Consecrate Russia to my Immaculate Heart. This was carried out effectively in 1984 by Pope John Paul 2. In 1989 the Berlin wall was demolished and the collapse of communism sweept across Europe. Of course the tardiness by Rome of carrying out OBL request[s] resulted in Russia/Communism spreading its errors through out the world the effects of which are self evident today. Since the collapse of communism in Russia, we now witness in that country, the highest numbers of practising Christians, albiet adherents of the Russian Orthodox church, [the sacraments of which are recognised by Rome, as are the other Orthodox churches] in Europe. Not once did OBL say to Sr. Lucia, that Russia would convert to Catholicism if her requests were carried out. The above condensed historical facts are just that, facts not assumptions. In conclusion, my comment recarding Fr. Gruners relationship to Holy Mother Church was meant as a sadnest that he died as a suspended priest. For what its worth, I am a Traditional Catholic and a proud Grandfather of nineteen grandchildren all of whom attend a Latin Mass. My wife and lived through the 'madness' what was to be called 'the spirit of Vatican 2'. It was such experiences that opened our eyes to the 'works of the devil'.As my eldest son succintly put it-"The devil works both sides of the street" In deed he does. One manifestation of this truism is the confusion, bitterness, discent, discord and rancour not only in the body church but also in Traditional circles where conspiracys abound and a seige mentality pervades-as noted in your comments. I repeat what i wrote previously, Gods ways are not necessary mans ways.