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Mother Teresa and John Paul II letters concerning Medjugorje------uploaded by irapuato

MarytvMedjugorjeDecember 30, 2010 Brief description of the events of Medjugorje, its impact on the Church, the reaction of the Church worldwide, scans of actual letters from Blessed Teresa of …More
MarytvMedjugorjeDecember 30, 2010 Brief description of the events of Medjugorje, its impact on the Church, the reaction of the Church worldwide, scans of actual letters from Blessed Teresa of Calcutta and John Paul II concerning Medjugorje, and the mission of Mary TV.
Irapuato
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Tina 13
Super! Danke. Sehr schön.
Adelita
Herzlichen Dank Irapuato
für dieses wunderschöne Medjugorje-Video
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RomanCandle
Bosnian Office of Tourism / Catholic News Services - It's a great shame that Catholic News Services has the misleading photo caption "The cross marks the place where in 1981 a vision of Mary was reported by six young people". The 1981 apparitions in Medjugorje are said to have occurred on Apparition Hill (Brdo Ukazanja) which is located to the left of Cross Mountain (Križevac). The concrete …More
Bosnian Office of Tourism / Catholic News Services - It's a great shame that Catholic News Services has the misleading photo caption "The cross marks the place where in 1981 a vision of Mary was reported by six young people". The 1981 apparitions in Medjugorje are said to have occurred on Apparition Hill (Brdo Ukazanja) which is located to the left of Cross Mountain (Križevac). The concrete cross on Cross Mountain was built by the impoverished people of Medjugorje to commemorate the 1900th anniversary of the Passion of Jesus and contains within the cross a relic from the True Cross of Jesus (gifted by Pope Pius XI).
RomanCandle
“Irenaeus”, I appreciate the further information on the alleged sexual activities of Tomislav Vlasic (formerly Fra Tomislav Vlašić, OFM). I have to say from the outset that British newspapers such as the “Daily Mail”, “Daily Express” and “The Daily Telegraph” are best put to use at the bottom of a pet’s cage (I will read articles from these papers if they are brought to my attention). Simon …More
“Irenaeus”, I appreciate the further information on the alleged sexual activities of Tomislav Vlasic (formerly Fra Tomislav Vlašić, OFM). I have to say from the outset that British newspapers such as the “Daily Mail”, “Daily Express” and “The Daily Telegraph” are best put to use at the bottom of a pet’s cage (I will read articles from these papers if they are brought to my attention). Simon Caldwell’s carefully constructed articles on Tomislav Vlasic’s alleged sexual relations with “Sister Rufina” are aspersions on the character and reputation of Tomislav Vlasic (spreading unsubstantiated allegations is poison to the heart of the recipient and the messenger). As for the Medjugorje phenomenon, the unprecedented move of the Vatican in the setting up of an international commission to investigate the alleged apparitions in Medjugorje will hopefully reach a definitive decision. I note in the above video the appearance of Fr Donald Calloway, MIC. If you have not viewed the “No Turning Back / Don Calloway” DVD (www.saintjoe.com), I wholeheartedly recommend doing so. It details the AMAZING conversion story of a young man from the way of depravity to a life of sanctity.
kfarley
Irapuato
Thank you, Gregory! As you pointed out before, even St. Thomas' doubting served a spiritual purpose.
ACLumsden
@ Cannoli - Quite!! Many Roman Catholics today are too accustomed to emotivity and irrational actions (post Vatican II) founded upon this lack of reason. Therefore, they suffer from an anaemic faith; a faith lacking in knowledge which retires into superstition before long. This is always the grave danger with religion.

Pax
kfarley
irenaeus, you are quoting from an openly gay journalist Simon Caldwell who has 0.0% credibility and is always writing hostile articles against the Catholic Church that are full of errors and downright falsehoods. You'll find many of Caldwell's editorials in "The Gay Times" and many other off-beat publications. Caldwell is openly hostile to the Catholic Church in general and thinks nothing of …More
irenaeus, you are quoting from an openly gay journalist Simon Caldwell who has 0.0% credibility and is always writing hostile articles against the Catholic Church that are full of errors and downright falsehoods. You'll find many of Caldwell's editorials in "The Gay Times" and many other off-beat publications. Caldwell is openly hostile to the Catholic Church in general and thinks nothing of reporting lies because he realizes people believe much of what they read and do little investigation on the authenticity of the claims for themseleves. Caldwell is the last person you'd seek out to get any factual information from.
irenaeus
Pope Benedict XVI unfrocks Medjugorje priest
Father Tomislav Vlasic, the priest who helped to turn the Bosnian town of Medjugorje into one of the Catholic Church's most visited shrines, has left the priesthood after being placed under investigation by the Vatican.

By Simon Caldwell 8:00AM BST 27 Jul 2009

Father Tomislav Vlasic, the former "spiritual director" to six visionaries who claim that …More
Pope Benedict XVI unfrocks Medjugorje priest
Father Tomislav Vlasic, the priest who helped to turn the Bosnian town of Medjugorje into one of the Catholic Church's most visited shrines, has left the priesthood after being placed under investigation by the Vatican.

By Simon Caldwell 8:00AM BST 27 Jul 2009

Father Tomislav Vlasic, the former "spiritual director" to six visionaries who claim that the Virgin Mary visited them nearly 40,000 times over 28 years, has been laicised by Pope Benedict XVI a year after he was placed under investigation over allegations that he exaggerated the apparitions and had engaged in sexual relations with a nun.
While the Vatican has never given the shrine its formal blessing, an estimated 30 million pilgrims have visited Medjugorje in the last three decades and hundreds of thousands make the journey from Britain and Ireland each year. The unfrocking of Father Vlasic will come as a blow to Medjugorje followers worldwide who were hoping that the Vatican would one day legitimise the controversial shrine.
The Franciscan asked to leave the priesthood after the Vatican launched an investigation into allegations that he was guilty of sexual immorality with a nun which he then covered up.
He was also suspected of exagerating stories of the Virgin Mary's appearance and under formal investigation for alleged "dubious doctrine, the manipulation of consciences, suspect mysticism and disobedience towards legitimately issued orders".
Father Vlasic refused to co-operate with the investigation from the outset and he was banished to a monastery in L'Aquila, Italy, where he was forbidden to communicate with anyone, even his lawyers, without the permission of his superior. He has not commented on the allegations but told the Vatican that he felt wronged given he had turned Medjugorje into an international shrine and generated funds to build new churches.
kfarley
It will only be prophetic if it turns out I was right. It is an educated prediction at this point. It would make sense though because if it has gone on almost 30 years now it would be a great sign for it to continue until the 33rd year.
holyrope 3
now your a prophet too kfarley. ..let's not stretch it.
kfarley
Rome definately will! And by the way I'll be the first to make this prediction (I believe anyway) June 24th of this year will be 30 years of apparitions in Medjugorje and I believe Our Lady will appear there for a total of 33 years (the age of Christ Crucified obviously) as a sign of God's great Mercy to mankind by allowing His Mother the entire mortal time Christ spent on earth for the saving …More
Rome definately will! And by the way I'll be the first to make this prediction (I believe anyway) June 24th of this year will be 30 years of apparitions in Medjugorje and I believe Our Lady will appear there for a total of 33 years (the age of Christ Crucified obviously) as a sign of God's great Mercy to mankind by allowing His Mother the entire mortal time Christ spent on earth for the saving of souls.
holyrope 3
The fruits in the beginning were there and THEN came UNHOLY behavior even by the clergy! Rome will have the Last Word.
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kfarley
As I said you have to focus on the fruits of Medjugorje and they are good. Anyone who does not want to believe in the apparitions can find and endless array of reasons they choose not to believe in them-just as anyone can disagree with Catholicism and give a million reasons why. Whether Our Lady did or did not say this or that to Vicka does not negate the millions of conversions to the Catholic …More
As I said you have to focus on the fruits of Medjugorje and they are good. Anyone who does not want to believe in the apparitions can find and endless array of reasons they choose not to believe in them-just as anyone can disagree with Catholicism and give a million reasons why. Whether Our Lady did or did not say this or that to Vicka does not negate the millions of conversions to the Catholic faith resultant from the apparitions in Medjugorje. If the Devil is making the apparitions happen he's doing himself a great disservice getting people to join the Catholic Church.
kfarley
When the Church celebrates Our Lady's birthdate and when Our Lady supposedly gave Vicka an alternate date is really not that important. Maybe Our Lady was letting us know the correct date for anyone interested. December 25th is probably not the actual birthdate of Christ yet we celebrate His birth on this date. The main thing to focus on in regard to Medjugorje are the fruits that come from …More
When the Church celebrates Our Lady's birthdate and when Our Lady supposedly gave Vicka an alternate date is really not that important. Maybe Our Lady was letting us know the correct date for anyone interested. December 25th is probably not the actual birthdate of Christ yet we celebrate His birth on this date. The main thing to focus on in regard to Medjugorje are the fruits that come from Medjugorje and they are undoubtably good. The Church Fathers DO NOT ATTEST that Decemeber 25th is the ACTUAL HISTORICAL BIRTHDATE of Christ so likewise if Our Lady has a different birthdate than what the Church celebrates this is quite understandable! If Our Lady told Vicka her birthdate Our Lady SHOULD KNOW WHEN SHE WAS BORN!!!!!
RomanCandle
The phrase “contestation of the Pharisees” should read “consternation of the Pharisees” in my previous posting.
RomanCandle
Whatever the outcome of the commission’s investigation into the Medjugorje phenomenon, I will still trust in Jesus. What Jesus has said in scripture is sufficient and what the Holy Fathers have said in their teachings is more than sufficient. That the number and duration of the messages exceeds previous Marian apparitions does not invalidate “Medjugorje”. Such was the dire situation on one …More
Whatever the outcome of the commission’s investigation into the Medjugorje phenomenon, I will still trust in Jesus. What Jesus has said in scripture is sufficient and what the Holy Fathers have said in their teachings is more than sufficient. That the number and duration of the messages exceeds previous Marian apparitions does not invalidate “Medjugorje”. Such was the dire situation on one occasion in Holy Scripture that an ass was used to speak sense where all sense had been lost. Our God has heaven as His throne and the earth as His footstool. Jesus chose to speak and heal in a variety of ways and situations to the contestation of the Pharisees. Who are we to diminish the majesty and unfathomable love of our God? As for Fr Philip Pavich’s views on the apparitions, they are his personal interpretation. My brief thoughts on Vicka's words regarding Our Lady's birthday are as follows. The Queen of England has two birthdays, her actual birthday and her official birthday. Perhaps the discrepancy arises from this misunderstanding. Let me go further, a human being has a minimum of four birthdays: biblical (in the mind of God); biological (in the womb); biographical (in the world) and baptismal (in the church). I await the pronouncement of Holy Mother Church as to the authenticity of “Medjugorje”.
Irapuato
Gregory:There is nothing to lose, but most likely, so much to gain--(to paraphrase greatly, Pascal)--so, yes, count me in as one who is eager to go.
holyrope 3
About 30 yrs worth of apparitions, and still counting?

For those of you that believe these "apparitions" are true and authentic, ....what or whom will you believe if Rome declares them NOT to be of supernatural origin? That they DO NOT approve them? Will you still believe in them?

During my stay there, it seemed to bring people closer to the church and changed many lives...that …More
About 30 yrs worth of apparitions, and still counting?

For those of you that believe these "apparitions" are true and authentic, ....what or whom will you believe if Rome declares them NOT to be of supernatural origin? That they DO NOT approve them? Will you still believe in them?

During my stay there, it seemed to bring people closer to the church and changed many lives...that was good fruit, back then....

Vicka's statement quoting what she claims was told her by the Blessed Mother..very problematic.

Does anyone know of Heaven speaking the same mortals for over 30yrs? If so, pls inform me, truly..I would love to know this.

Why does Fr. Philip Pavich, once a dedicated follower of Medjugore and who gave retreats there, not believe in it anymore?

Something, has went "hay-wired" with this...and much more can be noted here that would certainly cause doubt for most.

We shall leave it in the hands of what Rome decides.

Feel free to respond to the above question. Pax
RomanCandle
I am pleased that Pope Benedict XVI has decided to form a commission to investigate the events that have occurred in Medjugorje since 1981. Even though the alleged apparitions are still occurring it is vital that the first hand witnesses are interviewed before age and accident silence their testimony. Some of the early utterances of the seers particularly Vicka’s are problematic but this does …More
I am pleased that Pope Benedict XVI has decided to form a commission to investigate the events that have occurred in Medjugorje since 1981. Even though the alleged apparitions are still occurring it is vital that the first hand witnesses are interviewed before age and accident silence their testimony. Some of the early utterances of the seers particularly Vicka’s are problematic but this does not discredit the overall testimony of the six seers. The seer’s messages can be repetitive but does not a good mother have to remind her children repeatedly, for children are prone to forget so swiftly. As with the great Franciscan Saints of the church such as St Francis of Assisi and St Pio of Pietrelcina, there’s always the temptation to make people say what they never said. There’s an Italian adage “Traduttore, traditore” that can be loosely translated “every translator is a traitor”. Translation is fraught with difficulty. Let me give one example straight from the Gospel of John (Chapter 21, verses 15 to 17). Of the first two times that Jesus speaks to Simon Peter of “love”, the Greek word for sacrificial love is used, “agapas”. Of the final time in the dialogue, the Greek word for affectionate love is used by Jesus, “phileis”. The self-employed fisherman of the “Galilee Fishing Company” chooses to use the Greek word for affectionate love “philō” in his three replies to Jesus. This is not the spirit of the proud strong hearted fisherman prior to his threefold denial of his Lord and Saviour. Jesus graciously comes along side the broken hearted fisherman, accepting the affectionate love of Peter the Apostle, knowing the fisherman would one day sacrificially lay down his life for the early Church. The interpretation of the three verses can be plumbed far deeper on many levels (eg, the divine interplay of the Blessed Trinity speaking to Simon-Peter). That Tomislav Vlasic (formerly Fr Vlasic, OFM) has fallen short of his priestly calling does not invalidate the message of Medjugorje. “Irenaeus” you have stated that Mr Tomislav Vlasic is "an unfaithful pervert who impregnated a nun and begat children". Would you be able to supply a fuller account of this serious allegation that I could peruse. As for the authenticity of the Medjugorje apparitions and phenomenon, I await the pronouncement of Holy Mother Church.
irenaeus
Too bad the priest responsible for the seers (and their promotion) was an unfaithful pervert who impregnated a nun and begat children. Shades of Maciel Maciel, all over again...

In my opinion (and most likely the Holy Father's too based on his skeptical comments), this is a fabrication.
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kfarley
The Church can not make any official ruling on an Apparition until it has ceased and since the Medjugorje apparitions are still ongoing the Church has made no final declaration. Our Lady is the same whether it be Fatima, Lourdes or Wisconsin-which an apparition has been approved by the Church there that occurred in I believe 1859. The Fruits of Medjugorje are good-this year in June will mark 30 …More
The Church can not make any official ruling on an Apparition until it has ceased and since the Medjugorje apparitions are still ongoing the Church has made no final declaration. Our Lady is the same whether it be Fatima, Lourdes or Wisconsin-which an apparition has been approved by the Church there that occurred in I believe 1859. The Fruits of Medjugorje are good-this year in June will mark 30 years of appartions in Medjugorje. More conversions to Catholicism have resulted in Medjugorje than any other apparition site due to the fact that Lourdes and Fatima are generally visited by people already within the Faith and Medjugorje is visited by Catholics, other faiths and people generally who come to debunk the apparition who end up being converted through inner spiritual revelation. The commission set up by the Vatican to investigate Medjugorje is identicle in nature to investigative comissions that have in the past investigated now approved sites such as Lourdes and Fatima. The fact the Vatican has set up such a commission is testimony to the seriousness in which the Church has in regard to the authenticity of the appartions in Medjugorje.
holyrope 3
I think the MAIN apparition which is most pertinent for All times is the Church approved Fatima apparitions.
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Irapuato
Thank you, Cannoli! It helps to have many "editors" and assistants on this page.
Holy Cannoli
I don't study personal revalations aside from Divine Mercy and Fatima. However, the discrepancy of Our Lady's birth date can be easilly resolved. The date has not been firmly established but has been held by the Church to be Sept 8 based on the apocryphal Protoevangelium of James.

www.americancatholic.org/features/saints/saint.aspx

Irapuato
@holyrope: There are so many mysteries...I would have to ask Vicka in person, why she made that statement. (Maybe, if I have time I can do some research on that.) Sometimes, one just has to "let go, and let God". For example, Blessed Anna Katharina Emmerick said that Our Lady "died"/was assumed into Heaven in Ephesus, but then the V. María de Jesús de Ágreda and other saints, say she "died"/was …More
@holyrope: There are so many mysteries...I would have to ask Vicka in person, why she made that statement. (Maybe, if I have time I can do some research on that.) Sometimes, one just has to "let go, and let God". For example, Blessed Anna Katharina Emmerick said that Our Lady "died"/was assumed into Heaven in Ephesus, but then the V. María de Jesús de Ágreda and other saints, say she "died"/was assumed into heaven in Jerusalem. Who knows?? Maybe they are both right--in some Heavenly, mysterious way....In the end, as long as we don't lose sight of the greater message, maybe it doesn't matter, if there are some contradictions--I pray.
P.S. You know that parable about a camel going through the eye of a needle: If you read B. A.K. Emmerick, she explains that what Our Lord was talking about, was of a rope made out of camel's hair! Aha--then it makes sense!!
holyrope 3
@Irapuato,

What do you think about Vicka's claim that the Blessed Mother told her that her REAL Birth-date is August 5th?
Irapuato
Brief description of the events of Medjugorje, its impact on the Church, the reaction of the Church worldwide, scans of actual letters from Blessed Teresa of Calcutta and John Paul II concerning Medjugorje, and the mission of Mary TV.