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Why TFP is Wrong?

Why TFP is Wrong? The TFPs are not Catholics!More
Why TFP is Wrong?
The TFPs are not Catholics!
Reesorville
I have lived in Beijing for years and I think this is the most ruthlessly capitalistic place I have ever been to in my life. The gap between the rich and the poor is far more pronounced than it is in the West.

Just a few hours ago I walked past an extremely wealthy school owned by a corporation in Abu Dhabi that gives very expensive and high quality education for the richer Chinese who control …More
I have lived in Beijing for years and I think this is the most ruthlessly capitalistic place I have ever been to in my life. The gap between the rich and the poor is far more pronounced than it is in the West.

Just a few hours ago I walked past an extremely wealthy school owned by a corporation in Abu Dhabi that gives very expensive and high quality education for the richer Chinese who control the government. Along the same street, a little further down, there is a line of poor people in dusty clothes surrounded by police officers, and the poor people are waiting for interviews. What is the interview for? Because in their home provinces some corrupt official or police have done something wrong to them that they are seeking justice for.

In May when I was walking the same area I talked to two of them, a man and a woman, who told me that there son was murdered at his high school in Hunan, and the police covered it up and insisted that it was suicide. The father was working at a factory in Guangdong in the coastal regions when he got the telephone about his son's death, and immediately went back home. When they tried to go to the school, the surveillance camera footage for the time of the murder was all deleted from the school records and the school told them that it was a technical problem. When the father went to the police to complain, they locked him up in jail for ten days and tried to make the point to him that it was a 'suicide' and he should understand. Some of the other students had taken photos with their cellphones in which their son was lying face up with his hands neatly folded on his chest, lying on the pavement and no blood present (the police claimed he jumped out of the window from the top of the school, meaning that he somehow landed like this). The police went to the school and ordered all the students to hand in their cellphones for inspection, and photos were deleted. They have no idea who killed their son, but it seems like someone wealthy or powerful was involved and they had to come all the way to Beijing to make the official complaint but no one listened to their petition. When I met them in May the mother was still crying and they were holding up the picture of their son; they said they had spent such hard work over 18 years to raise up their boy and give him a good start in life, and this was the final result.

And people go in the line to this interview centre everyday, hundreds of them, most of them poor people from other provinces... and just down the street the sons and daughters of judges, military officers, party officials, businessmen attend education at a higher level than the common people, with foreign teachers and english classes, and maybe 30% of them graduate and go on to study at American colleges or other western countries.

Just a month ago, a friend of mine told me that in her hometown in Shanxi, when she was a child there was a gold mine there which employed workers on annual contracts. The miners were paid very little and the owners were wealthy. When they were going to complete the mining and take out the last bit of ore, the owners had promised the workers that if they made it to this day then they would be given a big bonus and their full wages at the final completion. When the final work came, all the workers went down to the bottom of the mine to do the final haul, and the owners at the top locked the doors and turned off the elevator that went to the surface, leaving them all down there to die. They paid the police and the police told the public that there was not enough evidence to mount a case against them, and so the owners went back to their offices in Beijing or Shanghai with the money in their briefcases.

This stuff is happening all over China, you know...all the time, even now... I think both TFP and the person who makes this video are under a really huge misunderstanding.

China today is not a communist or socialist country in any way other than name- it does not reject the idea of class difference or private ownership in any practical way; you can do anything here if you have money. China's own constitution, laws and regulations are often totally meaningless in practice -they often only exist on paper- China will enforce them only when it wants to, and corruption will often allow those who have money to pass through the law without trouble.

If anyone were to start protesting in China about these things or to seek justice, to try to get China's own laws enforced against the people with money in high places who are breaking them, they would be called a traitor, someone who is against their country, and other nonsense like this.

Pray for China
Temperance
Is this video serious?!

TFP is Catholic in every way.

If no one was able to defend there property, or family, than evil would flourish, and would just steal anything at will! Who is to say that the gun owner would even kill. He could Just shot the thief's leg. Guns keeps the evil men away, and families safe.

There are much better things to argue about like abortion than TFP!
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alexbandril
I am from the Philippines.Who ever made this video is out right ignorant of world events.How can a studen just pretend to sount inteligent and thinks he could get away with a video of pure opinion. He does not even mention that in the Ten Commandments (and that is only ten) God himself reserves two to protect the right to private property. Is he saying that God does not know what he is doing. As …More
I am from the Philippines.Who ever made this video is out right ignorant of world events.How can a studen just pretend to sount inteligent and thinks he could get away with a video of pure opinion. He does not even mention that in the Ten Commandments (and that is only ten) God himself reserves two to protect the right to private property. Is he saying that God does not know what he is doing. As I write this letter China I trying to establish its local government in our shores threatening everything the stands on there way. This includes An American company the our country contracted to escavate natural oil deposits in the said Scarboroughs. Is this what you call free enterprise? You tell me ? If you could stand where I am in fear that a country so big and now stronger than the USA, is trying to set up a Mayors office on the waters of Scarboroughs. China did not change. It is as communist as it was back in the day. Why are still part of china close to the public? China just changed its tactics and YOU like the horse with the carrot just don't want to see it. YOU base your opinion on what you see on TV. When north korea did their rocket launch test, it went with out permission to the countries it was going to fly over. Well, to me this is communism as they were. This country May very well have contributed to your country's economic fall due to slave labor.I your going to waste your time creating a video get your facts straightened out and not talk with TV based opinions. Because here in Asia we fear for our lives everyday that china is in our doorstep. This does not include smuggling, war against drugs all frm china, they are even exporting chemist that would manufacture meth in the country. Do not be the instrument to something that you really know nothing about.
I am Alex from the Philippines, The only Catholic Nation in the Far East Asia
Bernard87
It's all fine and dandy to quote the bible but this video does not prove that the TFP is greedy. And is this author criticizing the Church canonizing St. Gabriel Possenti? This man basically says that TFP is wrong in stating that China is not Capitalistic because it RECENTLY enacted a new legislation that allows for private property. So basically, he says that China is well on its way to …More
It's all fine and dandy to quote the bible but this video does not prove that the TFP is greedy. And is this author criticizing the Church canonizing St. Gabriel Possenti? This man basically says that TFP is wrong in stating that China is not Capitalistic because it RECENTLY enacted a new legislation that allows for private property. So basically, he says that China is well on its way to becoming Capitalistic because they approved this legislation. So, that means that according to his own implications, China was not Capitalist before this new legislation and that this legislation means that China is becoming more Capitalistic. Can somebody please explain to me how that contradicts TFP's claim that China is not Capitalist? Also, there are numerious diocese in China that do not have a bishop because the Vatican will not appoint a bishop in their area. The reason why the Vatican won't is because every thime that they do the biushop is killed or tortured by the governement. And why woud Jackie Chan have JCE Movies based in Hollywood if China was such a Capitalist state? And as far as telling the TFP to surrender all of their goods, tell the pope to surrendure the Vatican because that is worldly goods.
pamelanak
Did I hear correctly-China's government is similar to the
the early Christian communities?! And he is worried that TFP has gotten the wrong end of the stick? The TFP members that I have known are dedicated, devout Roman Catholics, trying to keep Christian ethics and morals in the public arena.
OUengineer
I disagree. If Christ said to sell all that you possess, then how can you own the computer that you are making this video on? In addition, the husband and wife died at the feet at Peter not because they did not sell all of their possessions, but rather they lied about selling all that they had. In addition, just because you own SOMETHING, does that mean that you are damned? Of course not. Rather,…More
I disagree. If Christ said to sell all that you possess, then how can you own the computer that you are making this video on? In addition, the husband and wife died at the feet at Peter not because they did not sell all of their possessions, but rather they lied about selling all that they had. In addition, just because you own SOMETHING, does that mean that you are damned? Of course not. Rather, place all of your stock in Christ and do not cling to anything, but still use all that is at your disposal.
Granted, I do not know all that TFP stands for, but I now know what you stand for, and it is incorrect with Church teaching. You too twist Scripture to make it sound like what you want it to be. Be very careful, sir.
Gottfried
The attacks on this video are ridiculous (and communist).

Who doubts about the legitimacy of property should read Rerum Novarum from Leo XIII. But also much newer documents like Centesimus Annus defend private property.

But besides that, to write that because the organisation (or the members of) TFP defends private property she is not catholic is an incredible calumny. I wonder if that is not …More
The attacks on this video are ridiculous (and communist).

Who doubts about the legitimacy of property should read Rerum Novarum from Leo XIII. But also much newer documents like Centesimus Annus defend private property.

But besides that, to write that because the organisation (or the members of) TFP defends private property she is not catholic is an incredible calumny. I wonder if that is not a heavy sin.
TTM
I understand where the author is coming from, but I think a few things need to be cleared up here.

In the Early Church the people did share all that they had, but this was on a voluntary basis, not enforced by the State as in Communism. I do agree that greed is bad, though.

I believe the right to property is indeed a Catholic idea, found in Leo XIII's encyclical, Rerum Novarum. It's part of …More
I understand where the author is coming from, but I think a few things need to be cleared up here.

In the Early Church the people did share all that they had, but this was on a voluntary basis, not enforced by the State as in Communism. I do agree that greed is bad, though.

I believe the right to property is indeed a Catholic idea, found in Leo XIII's encyclical, Rerum Novarum. It's part of the principle of subsidiarity, which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest competent authority. This encylical is where G. K. Chesterton - that Catholic apostle of common sense - got his idea of Distributionism from. So it is a Catholic idea. It's perfectly compatible with voluntary sharing of everything within a community, but not with Communism as expounded by Marx (which is also very atheistic and anti-Catholic).

I don't agree that individuals ought to own guns, either, but I think the idea comes from the same principle of subsidiarity, in trying to prevent a monolithic super-state from becoming a Big Brother. I think, if I remember rightly, the founding fathers of America put it in the Constitution for this reason. Perhaps a compromise would be to have small communities having an arms cache that's locked up and accessible in emergencies. So the issue is mainly a practical one. In any case, the idea is, I think, morally neutral - it depends on its proper use.
Is this video communist or something?