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The British immigration crisis is partly due to its Imperial past, a price of all those territories conquered and exploited. It's also due to Britain's embrace of contraception and abortion. As your population decreases the pressure rises to find a solution. So you either reverse course and ban contraception and abortion or you bring in more people. Guess which is easier?
That's leftist propaganda to accuse Western nations of exploitation. A method to guilt trip them into their cultural, ethnic, and spiritual genocide. Countries that were so called "exploited" were way better off colonized. Take for instance Africa. Since colonial rule ended, the Africans have reverted back to their paganism and violent chaos. The hindu Indians and atheist Chinese have replaced …More
That's leftist propaganda to accuse Western nations of exploitation. A method to guilt trip them into their cultural, ethnic, and spiritual genocide. Countries that were so called "exploited" were way better off colonized. Take for instance Africa. Since colonial rule ended, the Africans have reverted back to their paganism and violent chaos. The hindu Indians and atheist Chinese have replaced the Christian western colonialist. The muslims will likely conquer more African nations. We see this in Nigeria where Christians are being slaughtered.

Abortion, contraception, and sodomy are all pushed by the same subversive antichrist mafia who push for nonstop migration into what's left of the once Christian nations of the world. This is to fulfill their antichrist "prophecies" so they can quicken the coming of their "messiah".

Britain's greatest mistake was leaving the Catholic Church.
To mattsixteen24:
Yes Britain's mistake biggest mistake was leaving the Church.

As regards those nations it and the other European powers colonised it's all to easy to say they were better off under their conquerors than being independent. Please don't confuse the benefits of the Faith and of civilisation with colonisation. They are not and rarely were the same thing. Often the local peoples …More
To mattsixteen24:
Yes Britain's mistake biggest mistake was leaving the Church.

As regards those nations it and the other European powers colonised it's all to easy to say they were better off under their conquerors than being independent. Please don't confuse the benefits of the Faith and of civilisation with colonisation. They are not and rarely were the same thing. Often the local peoples were the last to benefit and they paid heavily for it. My country had its own civilisation (we were writing books etc before English existed) but colonisation by the Brits did far more harm than good. Not all our missionaries travelled in the wake of imperial powers thank God.

As for Africa, it is a vast continent. I happen to know men who've served many years there and they can't speak highly enough of the faith and dedication to the Church of the people they worked among. BTW it's not pagan Africans who are slaughtering Christians in Nigeria but Muslims.
@BrTomFordeOFMCap What do you mean "don't confuse the benefits of the Faith and of civlization with colonization"?? What greater benefit is their besides the faith? Why do you thank God that not all missionaries travelled in the wake of imperial powers??

Yes, I know it's muslims slaughtering Christians in Nigeria. What did the British colonialist do that was so harmful to the poor pagans?
Dear mattsixteen24, Much of Northern Europe was evangelised without violence or colonisation. In fact the cooperation of missionaries and colonists really didn't get off the ground until the expansion of the European powers in the 16th Century. It only happened then because those powers controlled who travelled and to where.
Colonisation nearly always involved exploitation not only of resources …More
Dear mattsixteen24, Much of Northern Europe was evangelised without violence or colonisation. In fact the cooperation of missionaries and colonists really didn't get off the ground until the expansion of the European powers in the 16th Century. It only happened then because those powers controlled who travelled and to where.
Colonisation nearly always involved exploitation not only of resources but of the local people and it usually involved the importation of slaves/indentured servants/deportees depending on the era. Evangelisation did not have to occur hand in hand with the imperial powers and their successors. It doesn't today.
As for what the British and other imperial powers did to the natives (whether they were pagan or Christian) I suggest you read Rodney Stark's Bearing False Witness, Henri Daniel-Rops' multi-volume history of the Church or listen to Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast (especially those on South America and the Carribean). They each of them give a different angle on these questions but none of them mistake colonialism as good thing. It did not have to happen that way is my point and please do not pretend it was a blessing.
@BrTomFordeOFMCap I don't know the whole history of British colonialism and how many people were actually converted to the faith, but you're parroting the liberal leftist false guilt affirmation belief of ethnic/cultural suicide by migration is okay because our ancestors puportedly made some mistakes while colonizing other nations. This mass wave of migration is the destruction of what's …More
@BrTomFordeOFMCap I don't know the whole history of British colonialism and how many people were actually converted to the faith, but you're parroting the liberal leftist false guilt affirmation belief of ethnic/cultural suicide by migration is okay because our ancestors puportedly made some mistakes while colonizing other nations. This mass wave of migration is the destruction of what's left of Christian nations! Who is going to fight for Christianity? I only see a few nations that seem to be standing up for Christianity like Poland and Hungary who reject these migrant invaders (muslims). Liberals always like to distort the history of the West and criticize what isn't politically correct today. At the same time they are blind to the history and culture of non-western coutries and how they existed before Europeans set foot on their land or how they exist today with all their new freedoms from the evil Christian colonialists. I ask again, what greater benefit is their besides the faith?

Let's take a look at those authors.

Rodney Stark - grew up a Lutheran and went to University of California Berkeley in the 1960s. Stark and Bainbridge describe themselves as 'personally incapable of religious faith' (Lehmann, books.google.co.uk/…/The_New_Blackwe….)

Podcaster Mike Duncan writes for the Daily Stoic.

One an ex-protestant turned agnostic who got an education at the most radical leftist school in America and the other guy has a degree in political science and then got interested in Roman history and now is some kind of psuedo historian that the leftist Washington Post, Huffington Post, and New York Times all praise.
Dear mattsixteen24,
Please do not confuse history with what various political movements make of that history. It matters very little about the politics/education etc of an author if what they give you are facts. Interpretation of the facts can be debated but the facts are the facts. If you had actually read/listened to the authors I referred you to you would find that they are not saying what …More
Dear mattsixteen24,
Please do not confuse history with what various political movements make of that history. It matters very little about the politics/education etc of an author if what they give you are facts. Interpretation of the facts can be debated but the facts are the facts. If you had actually read/listened to the authors I referred you to you would find that they are not saying what you assume they are saying. It's always easier to criticise from a place of ignorance.

I do not support mass immigration. My country can ill afford an influx of people. I do not support the 'left.' Neither do I swallow the idea that in defending Christian culture and the Faith one has to defend colonialism. Not everything Christians did was good. From the very beginning there have been sinners and sin. It is a foolish general who tries to defend everything especially the indefensible.

I note that you have not responded to my central point: the evangelisation of the peoples outside Europe did not have to go hand in hand with colonialism. Neither was colonialism an unqualified blessing (far from it). There's a reason one country in Africa gave the mosquito a medal (true!).

China was reached by missionaries long before colonialists ever got there. The Korean church was founded by lay people converted in China and returning with the Faith. Even under the colonial powers many missionaries fought to get free of the interference of the imperial powers (witness the Jesuits in what is now Uruguay). I consider the Faith the greatest blessing of all but I do not, and will not, confuse it with colonialism.

Defend and celebrate the Faith not colonialism. They are two very different and separate entities.

BTW I live in a different time zone and I don't live on the internet.
Pax et bonum.

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@BrTomFordeOFMCap Oh, so when you learn your world history from liberals you don't end up with a society of socialists and marxists protesting for more abortion and sodomy? Please. History has nothing to do with politics? You're the one spouting marxist propaganda about history. Claiming that Christians "oppressed" non Christian nations is a communist ploy to make non Christian people …More
@BrTomFordeOFMCap Oh, so when you learn your world history from liberals you don't end up with a society of socialists and marxists protesting for more abortion and sodomy? Please. History has nothing to do with politics? You're the one spouting marxist propaganda about history. Claiming that Christians "oppressed" non Christian nations is a communist ploy to make non Christian people believe they are oppressed. What was so awful about colonialism? You still haven't anwered this. If colonialism was so horrible, why is every African nations that is no longer under the rule of western powers reverting to it's pagan destruction or to islam? The point is that Christians claimed that land. Not some muslims. Not some pagans. Not some hindus. Not some atheist communists. Christians. Yet, liberals cry about the evil Christians when they know nothing about the evil non-Christians. Of course it would of been better if the people converted on their own, but this wasn't the case for many nations. Worse, many nations have fallen into the hands of the muslims, protestants, etc. because Catholics did not conquer these nations. Look at the USA. It could of been a Catholic nation. Instead protestants and masons took it over and millions upon millions of souls are lost and continue to be lost.

I never said everything Christians did was good. That's an exaggeration and oversimplication. Only Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary were free from sin.

I already addressed your evangelization point multiple times with a question that you haven't answered which is what greater benefit is their besides the faith?
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