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Refusing to Submit to the Roman Pontiff is Spiritual Shipwreck: The SSPX are Protestant

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Ben Martin
What happens if the "Pope" refuses to follow the Church and Christ---is one to follow the Modernist Heretics to Hell just to be obedient. No one can answer that question. This is a red herring idea that being loyal to the Church and Christ is wrong.
Dr. John Smythe
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yuca2111
GERARD... THANK YOU... better than your explanation, there's not! Some cheerleaders of the Church of nice including the one who actually came up with that theme "The church of nice" are blindly misleading people because of obedience first and truth second when is the other way around, truth shall lead you to obedience...
As I thought, Fr. Nicholson does not have a clue as to what he speaks of. Or, if he does, he is deliberately trying to mislead people. Creating straw man arguments is less about drawing people away from the SSPX who actually have experienced it, but rather to dissuade people who have never checked them out firsthand to avoid it at all.

He is promoting a false obedience which is essentially the …More
As I thought, Fr. Nicholson does not have a clue as to what he speaks of. Or, if he does, he is deliberately trying to mislead people. Creating straw man arguments is less about drawing people away from the SSPX who actually have experienced it, but rather to dissuade people who have never checked them out firsthand to avoid it at all.

He is promoting a false obedience which is essentially the error of Neo-Ultramontanism. The great enabler of the crisis in the Church.

To call the SSPX "gnostics" is simply absurd on its face. There is no "secret knowledge" the SSPX position is and always has been clear and above board. (Unlike the machinations of Popes and bishops throughout the last few decades especially) The earth does not go from round to flat because the Pope suddenly says so. A Pope can publicly lie about a man, a crisis, the world, other religions or a group of priests and other bishops, the same as any other man.

Re: Jurisdiction: The SSPX doesn't claim "jurisdiction" at all. The faithful are supplied the necessary jurisdiction by the Church as provided for in Canon Law. 1335. Holy Mother Church does not abandon her children to the machinations of corrupt clergy who happen to be canonically embracing the apostates and suspending the faithful clergy.

"Followers" of archbishop Lefebvre are simply followers of the Catholic faith. If they are "gnostic" then St. Thomas Aquinas was gnostic.

It is disingenuous to deliberately confuse legitimate resistance to a Pope's malfeasance in high office as he dismantles the Church. It's perfectly legitimate to point out that the Pope is a fallible man who needs to be rebuked as St. Paul did to St. Peter. "…because he was to blame." And attempting to thwart the "auto-demolition" of the Church and retreat to SSPX "catacombs" in order to worship God in a truly Catholic way, without the absurd nonsense that has been driving people out of the Church for decades is laudable. it's also disingenuous to white wash, ignore or soft-pedal the crisis in the Church, at that point, one becomes an accessory to another's sin.

You'll find more legitimate preaching by all of the Popes of past and present in SSPX chapels than you will in diocesan parishes. (I know this, because I have spent decades going to both. which is something these attack dog priests have not done. )

What would St. Paul think of this recent crop of sorry pontiffs? Pope Francis puts a beach ball on the altar next to the tabernacle? What's with the refusal to genuflect before the Lord God Almighty? He sure can drop to his knees to wash a Muslim woman's feet symbolically on Holy Thursday.

He may be Pope and it is an act of charity to call him out even by nobodies like the little Catholics scattered throughout the Church including those who frequent SSPX chapels.

"Submitting" to the Pope is not "yielding" to his errors and abuses. One can submit to his legitimate authority and resist his abuse of it. That's not LeFebvre, that's St. Paul and the traditional teaching of the Church beautifully explained by St. Thomas.

You have a situation now in which canonically regular priests that will not tell you the truth and instead try and gloss over facts and browbeat people into a false non-catholic understanding of obedience. These priests will never tell you when a Pope has done something obviously wrong. They are afraid to.

Liberals condemn orthodoxy and demand heterodoxy and dissent from Church teaching from Popes.

Traditionalists condemn heterodoxy and request and pray for orthodoxy and clarity and leadership from the Popes.

And the recent Popes by their actions and inactions side with the liberals in an attempted suicide of the Petrine office. Heck they promote them to the college of Cardinals in some cases.

You want to see real devotion to the saintly Popes of the past and compassion and devotion for the recent Popes to bring us out of this mess, with a no-nonsense understanding of just how and why the Church is in such a mess? Then go to the SSPX or something similar.

Diocesan machinery and the fear of retribution from superiors will always prevent weak-kneed clergy from telling the truth to the flock.
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pimienka
"John said to Jesus,
“Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name,
and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us.”
Jesus replied, “Do not prevent him.
There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name
who can at the same time speak ill of me.
For whoever is not against us is for us.”"

Jesus' point here is that it's wrong to think people can't do good simply because …More
"John said to Jesus,
“Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name,
and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us.”
Jesus replied, “Do not prevent him.
There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name
who can at the same time speak ill of me.
For whoever is not against us is for us.”"

Jesus' point here is that it's wrong to think people can't do good simply because they aren't Christian. As Pope Francis explained, “This [belief] was wrong...Jesus broadens the horizon...The root of this possibility of doing good—that we all have—is in creation."
From this passage and quote we discover that Pope Francis was primarily concerned with the possibility of goodness, not redemption. But then he continued:
"[A]ll of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can..."The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!...We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there."

What should we make of the claim that "The Lord has redeemed all of us...Even the atheists"? Well first, this is nothing new, and therefore hardly "news." The Catholic Church has maintained for two-thousand years that Christ's sacrificial death was for all (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:15 and 1 Peter 3:18.) As the Church teaches in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:


"At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God’s love excludes no one: “So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.” He affirms that he came “to give his life as a ransom for many”; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who hands himself over to save us. The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: “There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer.” — (CCC, 605)

However in Catholic thought, Christ's redemptive sacrifice on the Cross is not the same thing as salvation. Salvation is the result of accepting Christ's redemption and applying it to our lives. Catholics know that Christ died for our sins but that we must receive that free gift by trusting in him, accepting his proposal of love, and following him with our life.

So while it's true that Christ redeemed all people, even atheists, that doesn't mean all atheists have accepted this gift or will be saved.

Perhaps an example will help clarify the difference between redemption and salvation. Suppose you destroyed your friend's car causing $10,000 in damage. You're taken to court, and the judge sentences you to five years in prison for the crime. But then I burst in and tell the judge, "My name is Brandon Vogt. I'm this man's friend and I want to pay his penalty. Whatever it costs to fix the car and make things right, I'll pay it." The judge agrees.
Now even though I offer to pay the charge and "redeem" you, you still have a choice. You can either accept my offer and become a free man or you can reject my offer and choose to go to jail. The choice, of course, would be yours.
Christ's redemption of all mankind is analogous to me paying off your $10,000 charge (to "redeem" literally means "to buy back" or "to restore.") Catholics understand that Christ paid the debt for every person, but we still must choose whether to accept that act of redemption—it's not forced on you. You make your choice by whom you give ultimate allegiance: God or yourself, selfless love or self-imposed prison.
Finally, what about the last part of the HuffPost headline? Is it true that all who do good are redeemed? The answer, again, is "Yes" since all people are redeemed by Christ's sacrifice. Whether you live a good life is completely irrelevant to redemption. As Mark Shea writes:
"All who do good, and all who do evil, and all saints, and all Nazis, and pirates, and Communists and Mormons, Swedenborgians, and Satanists, and plumbers, and students who are getting Fs, and little kids and old coots, and profoundly brain-damaged folk and really brilliant scientists, and tall, and fat, and short people, and Muslims, and atheists, and Jews, and Buddhists and everybody else with a pulse are redeemed. Stalin is redeemed along with St. Damien of Molokai, Jack the Ripper and St. Francis of Assisi are both redeemed."

Catholics believe Jesus Christ died for every human being without exception. This redemption has nothing to do with our goodness, and everything to do with God's overwhelming generosity. Redemption is universal, salvation is not. Redemption is a proposal we must accept and salvation is the result.

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pimienka
The fullness of Christian faith
15. "Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad" (Jn 8:56). According to these words of Jesus, Abraham's faith pointed to him; in some sense it foresaw his mystery. So Saint Augustine understood it when he stated that the patriarchs were saved by faith, not faith in Christ who had come but in Christ who was yet to come, a faith pressing …More
The fullness of Christian faith
15. "Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad" (Jn 8:56). According to these words of Jesus, Abraham's faith pointed to him; in some sense it foresaw his mystery. So Saint Augustine understood it when he stated that the patriarchs were saved by faith, not faith in Christ who had come but in Christ who was yet to come, a faith pressing towards the future of Jesus.[13] Christian faith is centred on Christ; it is the confession that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised him from the dead (cf. Rom 10:9). All the threads of the Old Testament converge on Christ; he becomes the definitive "Yes" to all the promises, the ultimate basis of our "Amen" to God (cf. 2 Cor 1:20). The history of Jesus is the complete manifestation of God's reliability. If Israel continued to recall God's great acts of love, which formed the core of its confession of faith and broadened its gaze in faith, the life of Jesus now appears as the locus of God's definitive intervention, the supreme manifestation of his love for us. The word which God speaks to us in Jesus is not simply one word among many, but his eternal Word (cf. Heb 1:1-2). God can give no greater guarantee of his love, as Saint Paul reminds us (cf. Rom 8:31-39). Christian faith is thus faith in a perfect love, in its decisive power, in its ability to transform the world and to unfold its history. "We know and believe the love that God has for us" (1 Jn 4:16). In the love of God revealed in Jesus, faith perceives the foundation on which all reality and its final destiny rest.

16. The clearest proof of the reliability of Christ's love is to be found in his dying for our sake. If laying down one's life for one's friends is the greatest proof of love (cf. Jn 15:13), Jesus offered his own life for all, even for his enemies, to transform their hearts. This explains why the evangelists could see the hour of Christ's crucifixion as the culmination of the gaze of faith; in that hour the depth and breadth of God's love shone forth. It was then that Saint John offered his solemn testimony, as together with the Mother of Jesus he gazed upon the pierced one (cf. Jn 19:37): "He who saw this has borne witness, so that you also may believe. His testimony is true, and he knows that he tells the truth" (Jn 19:35). In Dostoevsky’s The Idiot, Prince Myshkin sees a painting by Hans Holbein the Younger depicting Christ dead in the tomb and says: "Looking at that painting might cause one to lose his faith".[14] The painting is a gruesome portrayal of the destructive effects of death on Christ's body. Yet it is precisely in contemplating Jesus' death that faith grows stronger and receives a dazzling light; then it is revealed as faith in Christ’s steadfast love for us, a love capable of embracing death to bring us salvation. This love, which did not recoil before death in order to show its depth, is something I can believe in; Christ's total self-gift overcomes every suspicion and enables me to entrust myself to him completely.

17. Christ's death discloses the utter reliability of God's love above all in the light of his resurrection. As the risen one, Christ is the trustworthy witness, deserving of faith (cf. Rev 1:5; Heb 2:17), and a solid support for our faith. "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile", says Saint Paul (1 Cor 15:17). Had the Father's love not caused Jesus to rise from the dead, had it not been able to restore his body to life, then it would not be a completely reliable love, capable of illuminating also the gloom of death. When Saint Paul describes his new life in Christ, he speaks of "faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me" (Gal 2:20). Clearly, this "faith in the Son of God" means Paul's faith in Jesus, but it also presumes that Jesus himself is worthy of faith, based not only on his having loved us even unto death but also on his divine sonship. Precisely because Jesus is the Son, because he is absolutely grounded in the Father, he was able to conquer death and make the fullness of life shine forth. Our culture has lost its sense of God's tangible presence and activity in our world. We think that God is to be found in the beyond, on another level of reality, far removed from our everyday relationships. But if this were the case, if God could not act in the world, his love would not be truly powerful, truly real, and thus not even true, a love capable of delivering the bliss that it promises. It would make no difference at all whether we believed in him or not. Christians, on the contrary, profess their faith in God's tangible and powerful love which really does act in history and determines its final destiny: a love that can be encountered, a love fully revealed in Christ's passion, death and resurrection.

18. This fullness which Jesus brings to faith has another decisive aspect. In faith, Christ is not simply the one in whom we believe, the supreme manifestation of God's love; he is also the one with whom we are united precisely in order to believe. Faith does not merely gaze at Jesus, but sees things as Jesus himself sees them, with his own eyes: it is a participation in his way of seeing. In many areas in our lives we trust others who know more than we do. We trust the architect who builds our home, the pharmacist who gives us medicine for healing, the lawyer who defends us in court. We also need someone trustworthy and knowledgeable where God is concerned. Jesus, the Son of God, is the one who makes God known to us (cf. Jn 1:18). Christ's life, his way of knowing the Father and living in complete and constant relationship with him, opens up new and inviting vistas for human experience. Saint John brings out the importance of a personal relationship with Jesus for our faith by using various forms of the verb "to believe". In addition to "believing that" what Jesus tells us is true, John also speaks of "believing" Jesus and "believing in" Jesus. We "believe" Jesus when we accept his word, his testimony, because he is truthful. We "believe in" Jesus when we personally welcome him into our lives and journey towards him, clinging to him in love and following in his footsteps along the way.

To enable us to know, accept and follow him, the Son of God took on our flesh. In this way he also saw the Father humanly, within the setting of a journey unfolding in time. Christian faith is faith in the incarnation of the Word and his bodily resurrection; it is faith in a God who is so close to us that he entered our human history. Far from divorcing us from reality, our faith in the Son of God made man in Jesus of Nazareth enables us to grasp reality’s deepest meaning and to see how much God loves this world and is constantly guiding it towards himself. This leads us, as Christians, to live our lives in this world with ever greater commitment and intensity.

Salvation by faith
19. On the basis of this sharing in Jesus' way of seeing things, Saint Paul has left us a description of the life of faith. In accepting the gift of faith, believers become a new creation; they receive a new being; as God’s children, they are now "sons in the Son". The phrase "Abba, Father", so characteristic of Jesus' own experience, now becomes the core of the Christian experience (cf. Rom 8:15). The life of faith, as a filial existence, is the acknowledgment of a primordial and radical gift which upholds our lives. We see this clearly in Saint Paul's question to the Corinthians: "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor 4:7). This was at the very heart of Paul's debate with the Pharisees: the issue of whether salvation is attained by faith or by the works of the law. Paul rejects the attitude of those who would consider themselves justified before God on the basis of their own works. Such people, even when they obey the commandments and do good works, are centred on themselves; they fail to realize that goodness comes from God. Those who live this way, who want to be the source of their own righteousness, find that the latter is soon depleted and that they are unable even to keep the law. They become closed in on themselves and isolated from the Lord and from others; their lives become futile and their works barren, like a tree far from water. Saint Augustine tells us in his usual concise and striking way: "Ab eo qui fecit te, noli deficere nec ad te", "Do not turn away from the one who made you, even to turn towards yourself".[15] Once I think that by turning away from God I will find myself, my life begins to fall apart (cf. Lk 15:11-24). The beginning of salvation is openness to something prior to ourselves, to a primordial gift that affirms life and sustains it in being. Only by being open to and acknowledging this gift can we be transformed, experience salvation and bear good fruit. Salvation by faith means recognizing the primacy of God's gift. As Saint Paul puts it: "By grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God" (Eph 2:8).

20. Faith's new way of seeing things is centred on Christ. Faith in Christ brings salvation because in him our lives become radically open to a love that precedes us, a love that transforms us from within, acting in us and through us. This is clearly seen in Saint Paul's exegesis of a text from Deuteronomy, an exegesis consonant with the heart of the Old Testament message. Moses tells the people that God's command is neither too high nor too far away. There is no need to say: "Who will go up for us to heaven and bring it to us?" or "Who will go over the sea for us, and bring it to us?" (Dt 30:11-14). Paul interprets this nearness of God's word in terms of Christ's presence in the Christian. "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' (that is, to bring Christ down), or 'Who will descend into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)" (Rom 10:6-7). Christ came down to earth and rose from the dead; by his incarnation and resurrection, the Son of God embraced the whole of human life and history, and now dwells in our hearts through the Holy Spirit. Faith knows that God has drawn close to us, that Christ has been given to us as a great gift which inwardly transforms us, dwells within us and thus bestows on us the light that illumines the origin and the end of life.

21. We come to see the difference, then, which faith makes for us. Those who believe are transformed by the love to which they have opened their hearts in faith. By their openness to this offer of primordial love, their lives are enlarged and expanded. "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me" (Gal 2:20). "May Christ dwell in your hearts through faith" (Eph 3:17). The self-awareness of the believer now expands because of the presence of another; it now lives in this other and thus, in love, life takes on a whole new breadth. Here we see the Holy Spirit at work. The Christian can see with the eyes of Jesus and share in his mind, his filial disposition, because he or she shares in his love, which is the Spirit. In the love of Jesus, we receive in a certain way his vision. Without being conformed to him in love, without the presence of the Spirit, it is impossible to confess him as Lord (cf. 1 Cor 12:3).

yuca2111
Ok pimienka follow the pope... no problem submitt to him, and dance to his tunes, your right and I'm wrong jews who denies Jesus, homos who denies jesus, muslims who denies jesus... Dance sister, dance... how many times did he said "you need Jesus to be saved" zero times... but you are right and I'm wrong dance to the tune: follow the leader, leader follow the leader.... I prefer to follow Jesus …More
Ok pimienka follow the pope... no problem submitt to him, and dance to his tunes, your right and I'm wrong jews who denies Jesus, homos who denies jesus, muslims who denies jesus... Dance sister, dance... how many times did he said "you need Jesus to be saved" zero times... but you are right and I'm wrong dance to the tune: follow the leader, leader follow the leader.... I prefer to follow Jesus in the apostolic teachings of the catholic church..
Knights4Christ
I don’t understand this discussion because Francis himself promoted religious indifferentism which means that all religions are equal. So he is denied himself our belief in Papal obedience.

Francis Calls an Evangelical preacher "brother bishop"
Pope Calls an Evangelical preacher "brother bishop"
yuca2111
Oh my God, you trust morr the words of some guy than Jeremiah 31:31-34, outrageous! There isn't a part of the bible that say nice things about gays but Francis knows best, St Peter himself and St Paul in almost every writing they said it, that it is an abomination before the eyes of God, but Francis knows best! Read John 7:24 that says that we need to judge righteously and that is what I try ti …More
Oh my God, you trust morr the words of some guy than Jeremiah 31:31-34, outrageous! There isn't a part of the bible that say nice things about gays but Francis knows best, St Peter himself and St Paul in almost every writing they said it, that it is an abomination before the eyes of God, but Francis knows best! Read John 7:24 that says that we need to judge righteously and that is what I try ti do and also 2 saints say this but Francis has to remain untouched... pimienka your efforts to continue to walk blindly taking whatever they give you, them saying it is for your spiritual health worries me, but I tried to warn you and this is my last reply about this, IF the abomination of desolation is installed during this papacy (which is the most likely thing because they will desecrate the Eucharist when they aprove communion to the divorcees) you will jump to it gladly because Francis knows best... I already warned you I will not touch this topic anymore with you, may God bless you and hope that you open your eyes before is too late.
pimienka
Has Francis EVER bashed a sin of the flesh?
.
only judging is SIN
POPES TRUTH , POPE means ...we kick them out...we are worse than them...

many homosexual leave church and they condemn themselves...Francis doesnt want them to leave...just like Our Father..

Pope is responsible for them NOT TO PERISH

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is;…More
Has Francis EVER bashed a sin of the flesh?
.
only judging is SIN
POPES TRUTH , POPE means ...we kick them out...we are worse than them...

many homosexual leave church and they condemn themselves...Francis doesnt want them to leave...just like Our Father..

Pope is responsible for them NOT TO PERISH

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.


IF THEY ACCEPT DIVORCEES TO ATTEND COMMUNION, LIKE ST. ROBERT BELLERMAIN SAID WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW HIM, EVEN MORE... WE SHOULD RUN AS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS AT THE DOOR TRYING TO WALK ITS WAY THROUG, we should seek a catholic priest who wants to become martyr and go to that mass someone who WILL NOT accept that evil,
I am sorry I only think about Jesus here...what He said so Samaritan woman

,,John 4 ...13.... Whoever drinks this water will be thirsty again;
14 but no one who drinks the water that I shall give will ever be thirsty again: the water that I shall give will become a spring of water within, welling up for eternal life.

15 'Sir,' said the woman, 'give me some of that water, so that I may never be thirsty or come here again to draw water.'

16 'Go and call your husband,' said Jesus to her, 'and come back here.'

17 The woman answered, 'I have no husband.' Jesus said to her, 'You are right to say, "I have no husband";

18 for although you have had five, the one you now have is not your husband. You spoke the truth there.'
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”


Jesus washed apostols feet before givng them BREAD of life...he promised divoced woman , Samaritan woman WATER of life ...

and I dont even start with how many people receive communion after invalid confession...
it isnt about correcting POPE....it is GODS turn to change people'heart not mens'..no popes'.
Pope is an instrument of God and all beneath ..cardinals , arcbishops ,bishops...priest are instruments as well as laymen...
Working instrumensts must have obedience...
Criticise POPE???you have no obedience...

neither I...to be honest...trident heresis...no obedience...Pope once said we should stop talking about abortion and homosexuality it isnt evangelisation...and I disliked it...
I was wrong
who am to dislike it...I am here to LISTEN..to do GODS WILL not to question..
God can never let pope go that wrong ..and if He does He works in way we cannot fathom...
Isaiah 55:8"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,"

Lord be with you, dear brother.
pimienka
Did the Holy Spirit was with Judas or the Arian pope who excommunicated St. Athanasius? Was the Holy Spirit with ALL other antipopes? NO!
Wheter we do want or not Judas was the one who ,in very bitter way ,
had a part in our salvation too...it was Gods way to let His beloved son be betrayed and beated and humiliated...and killed...it was to fulfill scriptures....

God used evil for our good...

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Did the Holy Spirit was with Judas or the Arian pope who excommunicated St. Athanasius? Was the Holy Spirit with ALL other antipopes? NO!
Wheter we do want or not Judas was the one who ,in very bitter way ,
had a part in our salvation too...it was Gods way to let His beloved son be betrayed and beated and humiliated...and killed...it was to fulfill scriptures....

God used evil for our good...

it is actualy said ,,cursed is the man who hangs on the cross"

so did God cursed his Son???....it is tough theology...and wecant see that deep
we are not holy..those thoughts make me shiver to be honest...because God is LOVE... He uses bad???

We cannot understand WHY , but He can...not that He approves...He is Lord above hell...He can let demons out...and as it is in Emerich apparition ...He actually let demons out so they slander His son....they got into minds and bodies of His beloved nation...that is to see He can let all that happened...

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pimienka
Yucca , dear brother ,You said
""....but the council of Florence says it well that the pact is NO LONGER CURRENT, THE PACT IS BROKEN! So... what power does Francis has to contradict not only the clear teachings of a council, BUT CORRECTING ALMIGHTY FATHER HIMSELF!!!...""

I can only answer you by words of Silvano Fausti ,,Communita legge Il Vangelo
di Matteo"

""When Joseph was afraid do accept …More
Yucca , dear brother ,You said
""....but the council of Florence says it well that the pact is NO LONGER CURRENT, THE PACT IS BROKEN! So... what power does Francis has to contradict not only the clear teachings of a council, BUT CORRECTING ALMIGHTY FATHER HIMSELF!!!...""

I can only answer you by words of Silvano Fausti ,,Communita legge Il Vangelo
di Matteo"

""When Joseph was afraid do accept Mary..it was becaus he was afraid..""
comparision is Joseph ..it it isnt said he was heretic...it is only comparision to todays people...

""Whoever refuses Mother , he refuses Son. First heresy is present.
"docetism" consider historical intercession uselles. To cut Jesus from Mary, from Israel, from Church, from brothers, that means to refuse His body, everyones' salvation. Then christianity becomes,,gnosis" that has nothing to do with crucifixion of Christ, Gods appariton and deliverance of men..


Whoever says:" Christ YES/ Israel NO, Christ YES/ Church NO, Christ yes /world NO"
he refuses Christ who integrated Israel, integrates church and world in his lot.
History is not past, something that already doesnt exist...history makes roots for the tree...it gives tree moisture and help it to reach sky and help tree not to fall in blast of storm....
""


I see clearly Israel is still Gods nation...no matter what...

Catechism can be changed...word of God NEVER.
yuca2111
And another thing... correcting someone is NOT stoning them, how many open letters or close ones he has not entertained? Why he can't say catechism 2357 or 2359, why stand with the respect only in #2358, Homosexuality is NOT only a sin BUT a perversion, can a gay person who seeks of God (like he once said) with his partner can they have a baby? Nope put all lesbians and homosexuals in an …More
And another thing... correcting someone is NOT stoning them, how many open letters or close ones he has not entertained? Why he can't say catechism 2357 or 2359, why stand with the respect only in #2358, Homosexuality is NOT only a sin BUT a perversion, can a gay person who seeks of God (like he once said) with his partner can they have a baby? Nope put all lesbians and homosexuals in an island and they will die... homosexuality is not only a sin but an abomination because it triples the amount of sins by Mocking God and His commandments... Has Francis EVER bashed a sin of the flesh? NEVER...never! go back to his argentina days, the only thing he didn't want is that a Gay union shouldn't be called marriage, even priests who laudes Francis have echoe that in the church..."Yeah they could have a civil union but not in the church like Francis said in Argentina." Defending truth it is a duty of all who love Christ, did Christ say to the pharasees "Oh the pact of your fathers it is still valid..." He said: "You are the sons of the devil..." but we are dividing not constructing... right? Blessings
Knights4Christ
St. Thomas speaks of an indiscreet obedience which obeys even in matters unlawful. We must understand that It is TRUTH, and NOT INDISCRETE OBEDIENCE that obviates heresy, schism and apostasy.
yuca2111
Listen Pimienka here's the problem...

YOU say that NOT obeying the pope is against the HOLY SPIRIT, St Damian is a SAINT and he says what I have been saying ALL ALONG, correction does NOT stop with the pope Nobody is Above Correction in The Catholic Church - Feast of St. Peter Damian, P. Nicholson brought that up but IT IS IN THE BIBLE!!!

Didn't Paul correct Peter in front of EVERYONE in their…More
Listen Pimienka here's the problem...

YOU say that NOT obeying the pope is against the HOLY SPIRIT, St Damian is a SAINT and he says what I have been saying ALL ALONG, correction does NOT stop with the pope Nobody is Above Correction in The Catholic Church - Feast of St. Peter Damian, P. Nicholson brought that up but IT IS IN THE BIBLE!!!

Didn't Paul correct Peter in front of EVERYONE in their community? Didn't St. Athanasius corrected the entire CHURCH, and he was excommunicated but NOW is a Saint!!!

Vatican II has brought the most autocriticism ever to the church and all this to please the world for a MORE WELCOMING MASS TO EVERYBODY...

Did the Holy Spirit was with Judas or the Arian pope who excommunicated St. Athanasius? Was the Holy Spirit with ALL other antipopes? NO!

St. Bellermain said that if a pope committs clear HERESY then we SHOULDN'T follow him, and I could seat down and tell you DOZENS of heresies commited by Francis but I will tell you only TWO...

1) In Evangelii Gaudium #247 he says that the Jews has the old pact INTACT, as good as ours... If you read only the bible in Jeremiah 31:31-34 it says clearly that the Jews BROKE the old pact themselves... but He (the Father will give them a new pact in their hearts- that means Jesus, which they rejected and still do) read it: drbo.org/chapter/28031.htm but the council of Florence says it well that the pact is NO LONGER CURRENT, THE PACT IS BROKEN! So... what power does Francis has to contradict not only the clear teachings of a council, BUT CORRECTING ALMIGHTY FATHER HIMSELF!!!

2) By Omission many people are DAMNED in the world with "who Am I to judge" when The POPE IS... the supreme JUDGE of the faithful... How many souls plunge and still are plunging into HELL for lack of defenition, look at Illinois alone, look at all those wicked people that feel vindicated though Francis and they go to Francis (Biden/Pelosi) and receive communion in front of HIM!!! Read EG #47 when he says that the Eucharist should NOT be treated as a prize for the elect but it is food for the weak... NOT EVEN JESUS GAVE THE EUCHARIST TO JUDAS as it is said in 3 of the gospels (Matt, Mar, John) He only gave Him a morsel and that's when Satan entered him...

This is why I applaud the SSPX because they see a growing problem with modernism condemned bySt. Pious X which said that modernism is the HERESY of all HERESIES, I think WE all agree that Vat. II it is the open door were the smoke of satan entered the church... and I'm a novus ordo guy, go figured.

IF THEY ACCEPT DIVORCEES TO ATTEND COMMUNION, LIKE ST. ROBERT BELLERMAIN SAID WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW HIM, EVEN MORE... WE SHOULD RUN AS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IS AT THE DOOR TRYING TO WALK ITS WAY THROUG, we should seek a catholic priest who wants to become martyr and go to that mass someone who WILL NOT accept that evil, why flee... because their sin will become yours IF you stay and take part of that trap.

PIMIENKA I LOVE YOU IN CHRIST, this is why to you and all I'm telling you the truth!

Dr. Rafael Gonzalez
pimienka
I dont argue I pray for people who are wrong ......
Brother Yucca
Even Benedict xvi gave communion in hand before then he stoped he saw his own error...he started giving Eucharst to keeling people even...he corrected it....he suffers..

John Paul ii made mistakes..he regreted them he suffered to make it up... He healedthousands with Gods power...

He is saint now....
Can we correct ourselves? No …More
I dont argue I pray for people who are wrong ......
Brother Yucca
Even Benedict xvi gave communion in hand before then he stoped he saw his own error...he started giving Eucharst to keeling people even...he corrected it....he suffers..

John Paul ii made mistakes..he regreted them he suffered to make it up... He healedthousands with Gods power...

He is saint now....
Can we correct ourselves? No we cannot ,we slamm the door ''idont have time to argue''

Then we never hear we are wrong....I was wrong once not believing in my own church...
I feel sorry somebody else is doing the same mistake.

Disobeing pope iswrong...its impossible you correct him by harsh criticising and spitting on what he said....just ask for Holy spirit.then you ll see he means what Jesus said...doesnt sound nice to you..that wold be what you need....truth isnt pleasant...neither Jesus nor Francis was -is welcomed by pharesees..when Jesus spoke ,priests wanted to stone him...

Change yourself..then you can change your church...

Dont stone the pope please
So you are saying that the Cardinals and Bishops who disobeyed Benedict XVI were also Protestants.

So according to you Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio is a Protestant because he allowed a Protestant Pastor to lay hands on him. Also, because the progressive Jesuits disobeyed Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI they are Protestants. And now all of us are Protestants because after Vatican …More
So you are saying that the Cardinals and Bishops who disobeyed Benedict XVI were also Protestants.

So according to you Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio is a Protestant because he allowed a Protestant Pastor to lay hands on him. Also, because the progressive Jesuits disobeyed Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI they are Protestants. And now all of us are Protestants because after Vatican II all disobeyed the papal infallibility of Pio X. We don't have continuity but modernist heresies, religious syncretism and indifferentism. Plus you have the idea that outside the church there is salvation so being a Protestant would not affect their salvation because they were baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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I don't have the time to argue with you Pimienka, sorry sister... I do understant that you mean well... but No one is against Francis rather, accepting a few things for the sake of obedience NO! They pray for Him, I pray for him but I do NOT accept ERROR, TRUTH is the road to salvation which is Jesus... The POPE IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, I don't know were you guys come up with this... Bergoglio …More
I don't have the time to argue with you Pimienka, sorry sister... I do understant that you mean well... but No one is against Francis rather, accepting a few things for the sake of obedience NO! They pray for Him, I pray for him but I do NOT accept ERROR, TRUTH is the road to salvation which is Jesus... The POPE IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, I don't know were you guys come up with this... Bergoglio DID give communion in the hand EVERY TIME IN ARGENTINA before you say anything, please investigate and then talk... St. Athanasius pray for us!
pimienka
yeah and no offence..but protestants tough me to raed Bible...
so while going to protestant sites {not knowing I was heretic} I founded Gods word...

here on Gloria tv I find division...
threaths about mansons...nwo...false marianic demonic appearance ...
..one of worst...RELIGIOUS SPIRIT
www.allabouthim.net/…/The%20Warning%2…

and begun to doubt whether converting back to catholic was righ…More
yeah and no offence..but protestants tough me to raed Bible...
so while going to protestant sites {not knowing I was heretic} I founded Gods word...

here on Gloria tv I find division...
threaths about mansons...nwo...false marianic demonic appearance ...
..one of worst...RELIGIOUS SPIRIT
www.allabouthim.net/…/The%20Warning%2…

and begun to doubt whether converting back to catholic was right...

if the liturgy ,,is invalid" saying

The traditional mass uses the following form for the consecration of the wine: "For this the chalice of my blood, of the new and eternal testament; the mystery of faith which shall be shed for you and for many unto the remission of sins." .........

Therefore, using the phrase 'for all' instead of 'for many' in this context heretically implies universal salvation.

then I have a opportunity to attend greek catholic mass and they say,,for many"...

influenced by protestants however I founded kissing of icons blasheming...MARRIED PRIESTs..invalid...

the only stable point to me is God...and if it is in ROMAN catholic church which was build by Holy spirit ,then it remains in POPE Francis.

and everyone here says pope is wrong...what shall I do???

READ LETTER OF
Marcel Lefebvre
www.youtube.com/watch

he is so true

yeah....only one thing missing is Luther was a sick person and church at his age cursed people...he would be huge asset to church ...if only he did not losefaith in sacrament..
and wasnt cursed by church

receiving in hand is evil...

truth...

Pope Francis does not give communion in hand...and he did not forbid latin mass....
or???

,,submits in obedience to the Holy Father and trusts that this obedience will bring forth greater graces." An "official note" from the friars Saturday
{news form august 2013
ncronline.org/…/pope-restricts-…}
said while many of the members and communities chose to give priority to the old Mass, the priests always were free to celebrate Mass using both forms"


he didnt say latin mass is just a fashion...he said people who fall for something temporary...

I think it is obsession...those young people are blindly lead by someting tha is far from Holy spirit...although I love latin...it is so precious...
...nevermind...
since I was attacked here lately I had a need to express myself..

Blessed day everyone
pimienka
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I have gone to only 3 Latin masses in my life and I crave for more,
"''

craving is very good form of faith...

no offence...I attended one but they did not ,,perform" like that..

www.youtube.com/watch

obedience is signing document and then saying NO I DONT AGREE???

Abp Marcel Lefebvre podpisał wszystkie dokumenty Soboru Watykańskiego II

...abusing precious tradition …More
''''
I have gone to only 3 Latin masses in my life and I crave for more,
"''

craving is very good form of faith...

no offence...I attended one but they did not ,,perform" like that..

www.youtube.com/watch

obedience is signing document and then saying NO I DONT AGREE???

Abp Marcel Lefebvre podpisał wszystkie dokumenty Soboru Watykańskiego II

...abusing precious tradition and refusing Pope...
that is whats circus about ..you refuse Holy spirit.Remember

www.youtube.com/watch
yuca2111
Father Nicholson, if St. Athanasius were alive he would have told you to stop talking nonsense, Obedience for the sake to be obedient is a trap without Truth, only Truth can set you free and in this freedom you OBEY, if they would not recognized the pope like many sedevacantists ARE, they would've dissed the pope, but that wasn't the case as they were worried about the excommunications on them, …More
Father Nicholson, if St. Athanasius were alive he would have told you to stop talking nonsense, Obedience for the sake to be obedient is a trap without Truth, only Truth can set you free and in this freedom you OBEY, if they would not recognized the pope like many sedevacantists ARE, they would've dissed the pope, but that wasn't the case as they were worried about the excommunications on them, the first step to talk, was for those to be uplifted and they were.

I know protestants who when it comes to the pope they say awful things and some others don't, saying that the pope is a modernist is nothing but the truth because he is... he likes modernism, but hey most of us today feel comfortable with that, I have gone to only 3 Latin masses in my life and I crave for more, here in St. Petersburg there is no SSPX only diocesan Latin mass... and the problem with them and the Vatican is VATICAN II, not the pope... they DO NOT wish to do a Novus ordo mass, you want protestant? How about the American bishops an the morning after pill in Catholic hospitals approve in 2009 in clear defiance to Benedict or the Germans in February while Benedict was still pope? That is CLEAR disobedience, and the actual pope what does he say about this morning after pills in Catholic hospitals? NADA... so before pointing fingers to people WHO ACTUALLY PRAY FOR THE POPE, take a long hard look into what WE have become as a Church... a Worldly Church, my hope is in those priests like father Rodriguez, Fr. Salazar, Fr. Cancelado, Fr. Paul Magnifico who give themselves in every night to the King of Glory our Lord Jesus Christ... open your eyes!!!
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Long live the Pope!
Thank you, father.
cfbyrne
Wearing a chasuble outside Holy Mass is an abuse. It smacks of a poser pretending to be traditional. Even the "wry-grin" photo at the start of the video screams "ego" - look at me. Thank God for Archbishop Lefebvre and all the holy priests of the SSPX. They are in a different league. Their focus is truly on Heaven and anyone who slanders these holy men is mocking true prophets from God in this …More
Wearing a chasuble outside Holy Mass is an abuse. It smacks of a poser pretending to be traditional. Even the "wry-grin" photo at the start of the video screams "ego" - look at me. Thank God for Archbishop Lefebvre and all the holy priests of the SSPX. They are in a different league. Their focus is truly on Heaven and anyone who slanders these holy men is mocking true prophets from God in this modern age.
Acederilla
Thank you, Father Nicholson!
I'm for Christ, I'm for the Church, I'm for the Pope!
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Fidelium
Well said kam. I can certainly relate to what you've written because there is much similarity with me and my family.

Where are the true 'Apostles' within the church? Where? Where are the ones that would defend the faith, the truth, Christ in the Eucharist?

Where's their 'backbones' who would call out the abuses as we know them..Abuses that the apostles would have countered 'head on'.

If they,…
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Well said kam. I can certainly relate to what you've written because there is much similarity with me and my family.

Where are the true 'Apostles' within the church? Where? Where are the ones that would defend the faith, the truth, Christ in the Eucharist?

Where's their 'backbones' who would call out the abuses as we know them..Abuses that the apostles would have countered 'head on'.

If they, the saints, the founders of religious orders walked into a novus ordo today they would puke out the foul odor of the devil! The stench of Sodomy also!

Unless a priest or religious truly has what it takes (TRUE Love for Our Lord) as did the Apostles...no matter how much they speak to the public, it will do absolutely nothing! They must take action! Lead by example..not just by mouth! But today we have mice not men. They want the easy road, no confrontations, no 'rocking the boat', ...they FEAR! They think by just going along to get along should keep them in a steady position.

Think about it..because they don't want to 'make waves'...because of their short spines, they'll 'play it safe'..no matter how many souls end up in hell.


Is this TRUE love for Our Lord?
Adrien
There's in the world and in the Church a gnostic sect that claims to have a hidden knowledge. This sect has many bishops, priests and even cardinals. The name of this great gnostic sect is Freemasonry. Ironically they are against the SSPX.
kam
I will pray for you, Father, that the Blessed Mother opens your eyes to the shipwreck of Holy Mother Church that began long before Pope Francis became our Pontiff, became our Leader, our Jesus Christ on earth. I'm sure you know more about the SSPX than it seems you do, and for whatever reason you come off the way you do is for your own self to know. I am just a simple man, who wants the Church …More
I will pray for you, Father, that the Blessed Mother opens your eyes to the shipwreck of Holy Mother Church that began long before Pope Francis became our Pontiff, became our Leader, our Jesus Christ on earth. I'm sure you know more about the SSPX than it seems you do, and for whatever reason you come off the way you do is for your own self to know. I am just a simple man, who wants the Church to believe and act as the Roman Catholic Church should, in regards to Holy Mass, Dogma, Tradition and Truth. My wife and I are cradle Catholics, were heavily involved in our former parish, as a Eucharistic minister and a Lecture. Our son, back from college, told us about a Traditional Latin Mass that a priest was giving at noon on Sundays in a Novus Ordo parish. We began going, slowly at first, and then, who knows why, perhaps the tremendous beauty of the Rite itself, or maybe it was the Homilys, given with much greater depth and reality than what passes as a homily given by priests brought up in the New Theology. Anyway, Father, that's all it took, the Truth of Holy Mother Church, all rolled up in the Latin Mass. This was not the SSPX, nor will these men who give these Masses ever will be. Just priests like you who have realized that the Mass of all time is the only Mass worth doing. They do both, but it is slowly killing them.

We now go to the SSPX for our worship, Father, not so we can secretly diss the Pope, as you insinuate that the Society does. We go to get away from the watered down version that passes for our Faith nowadays. (I believe you used that analogy, didn't you, Father?) We go because I won't be scandalized by seeing women dressed indecently at Mass. I go because I know that I won't be stepping on pieces of our Lord that have been fallen to the floor during a Novus Ordo Mass. I go for the recital of the Rosary before Mass by the congregation, where we pray for the intentions of the Pope before the Rosary and we pray exclusivly for him at the end of the Rosary. For all the un-Pope-like comments our Holy Father has said, I've yet to hear one disparaging comment from any of the SSPX priests I know.

Father, it has been a long road for my wife and I. We are Third Order Franciscans, at one time secular Franciscans, but that road did not lead us to Heaven. My one obligation here on earth is to get my soul to Heaven. If I can get my wife and children there too, well, I have done some part of my duty as a husband and father. The modern day catholic church is not helping souls get to heaven, you will never convince me of that. Why do all that work anyway, we all will get there when we die. And hell? Well, forget about that...

I will pray for you, Father, as I pray for all priests and religious. And especially for our Holy Father.

kam
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Packiejoe
Thank you Father for explaining things with such clarity. Its seems that you define submission to the Sovereign Pontiff as never refusing to obey the Holy Father even if the command is detrimental to the Faith, but Pope Francis even thanked an Italian journalist for criticising him. St Paul withstood St Peter to the face. John XXII was opposed by his cardinals when he preached heresy. So …More
Thank you Father for explaining things with such clarity. Its seems that you define submission to the Sovereign Pontiff as never refusing to obey the Holy Father even if the command is detrimental to the Faith, but Pope Francis even thanked an Italian journalist for criticising him. St Paul withstood St Peter to the face. John XXII was opposed by his cardinals when he preached heresy. So standing up to lawful authority when they abuse their authority is not just permissible but can be obligatory and doing so is not a denial of the authority but rather a recognition of the abuse of authority. Could you denounce the kissing of Korans, Assisi meetings, World Youth Day abuses, Taize nonsense (where Catholics and Protestants pretend they are both in the same church) among others, but then again you could be afraid that you'd get in trouble for wearing a chasuble for preaching outside of Mass, a vestment to be used exclusively for the Holy Sacrifice.
Look, your words against the SSPX go way beyond to what the Holy See says. Pope Benedict said that they are in the Church but canonically irregular. Very different from what you promulgate! The Holy See has stated that ecumenism is not to be practised towards the SSPX because they are not outside the Church and that it's an internal matter. If you are honest why don't you submit to the Holy See's position on the SSPX!
Thanks again Father for convincing me that the SSPX are taking the right position in these mad times! God Bless!
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UNITATE!
nice Renaissance Chasuble and the zucchetto^^
Dahvid
Abramo...well said. I believe you put it all in a just prospective.
Demetri
I would like to read your response Father to lukedaniel & Bjammin's questions. Thank you!
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I was afraid of being thought to transgress the holy laws, if I were to do this [write this letter to Peter] without knowing the will of the most holy see of Apostolic men, who lead aright the whole plenitude of the Catholic Church, and rule it with order according to the divine law . . . . If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that …More
I was afraid of being thought to transgress the holy laws, if I were to do this [write this letter to Peter] without knowing the will of the most holy see of Apostolic men, who lead aright the whole plenitude of the Catholic Church, and rule it with order according to the divine law . . . . If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that everyone who anathematizes those who have rejected Pyrrhus also anathematizes the See of Rome, that is, he anathematizes the Catholic Church. I need hardly add that he excommunicates himself also, if indeed he is in communion with the Roman See and the Catholic Church of God . . . . Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. For he only speaks in vain who . . . does not satisfy and implore the blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See, which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself, and also [from] all the holy synods, according to the holy canons and definitions, has received universal and supreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world — for with it the Word who is above the celestial powers binds and looses in heaven also. For if he thinks he must satisfy others, and fails to implore the most blessed Roman pope, he is acting like a man who, when accused of murder or some other crime, does not hasten to prove his innocence to the judge appointed by the law, but only uselessly and without profit does his best to demonstrate his innocence to private individuals, who have no power to acquit him. (Maximos, letter to the patrician Peter, ca. AD 642)
baocongchen
Mystici Corporis :

But we must not think that He rules only in a hidden or extraordinary manner. On the contrary, our Redeemer also governs His Mystical Body in a visible and normal way through His Vicar on earth. . . . Since He was all-wise He could not leave the body of the Church He had founded as a human society without a visible head. . . . That Christ and His Vicar constitute one only …More
Mystici Corporis :

But we must not think that He rules only in a hidden or extraordinary manner. On the contrary, our Redeemer also governs His Mystical Body in a visible and normal way through His Vicar on earth. . . . Since He was all-wise He could not leave the body of the Church He had founded as a human society without a visible head. . . . That Christ and His Vicar constitute one only Head is the solemn teaching of Our predecessor of immortal memory Boniface VIII in the Apostolic Letter Unam Sanctam; and his successors have never ceased to repeat the same (par. 40).
lukedaniel
Dear Father, In Michael Voris's Vortex, "The Gay Priest Party", I was wondering what you would have done if you had experienced the same thing as that priest who was invited to the party, then be introduced to all the homosexual priests and their partners? And too, remembering they haven't "broken communion with the Roman Pontiff".
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Bjammin
Father Nicholson,

How is it that you make such a statement in regards to the SSPX as not being Catholic, yet you stand by those clergy who as you must know, care Nothing about what the pope has to say and or whatever comes out of Rome.
You say at least they remain "in the Church". What 'church' is that Father? What church do these priests who try to refuse you communion on the tongue or when we …More
Father Nicholson,

How is it that you make such a statement in regards to the SSPX as not being Catholic, yet you stand by those clergy who as you must know, care Nothing about what the pope has to say and or whatever comes out of Rome.
You say at least they remain "in the Church". What 'church' is that Father? What church do these priests who try to refuse you communion on the tongue or when we kneel..which church do they belong to? Or the priests and nuns who believe its a womans' choice to abort or not...what church do they 'remain' in? And the homosexual priests offering mass and later going to meet up with his partner/lover..what church has he remained in? What church is it that so many clergy could care less about their own souls not to mention those of us....What church is that they they belong to?
lanternedslenoir
Abramo,Dismas,thank you!
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Dismas
SSPX is in the Church you like it or not - and hold the Tradition
that Rome is disintegrating starting with the german bishops heretics together with the Mason inside the Vatican
Let be pray the Holy Rosary every day for our priest and bishops

Abramo
Ok. You may take the radical view that the SSPX is not Catholic (and contradict Benedict XVI who said the opposite).

But then: Do you think, the German bishops are Catholic who have decided unanimously (and with the tacit support of the Vatican) to introduce abortion through the «morning after pill» in the Catholic hospitals of their country? Does this move lead people in or out of the Church? …More
Ok. You may take the radical view that the SSPX is not Catholic (and contradict Benedict XVI who said the opposite).

But then: Do you think, the German bishops are Catholic who have decided unanimously (and with the tacit support of the Vatican) to introduce abortion through the «morning after pill» in the Catholic hospitals of their country? Does this move lead people in or out of the Church? Can a German Catholic in conscience follow his/her bishops?

Please, Father, you should stop sympathizing with simplistic views. Catholic obedience is strong because it is grounded in TRUTH. But obedience without TRUTH is a lie. We Catholics are (like everybody else) not beyond right and wrong. I do not doubt your good intentions but you do not help the Church by implicitly promoting the abuses (and their perpetrators) and by hammering the (innocent) SSPX and sparing those you are truly guilty for the present mess.

I know, it is safer to slam the SSPX than to defend them. But TRUTH is not about politics and you, Father, at this point, have a problem with TRUTH.
pnicholson
The SSPX holds itself as the golden standard bearer of Catholicism and THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC.

They need to submit to the Pope and stop leading people out of the Church. Period.

And you need to stop sympathizing with this group … they are leading people out of the Church.

Atleast with the indolent bishops you speak of have not broken communion with Roman Pontiff. This is perhaps all that can …More
The SSPX holds itself as the golden standard bearer of Catholicism and THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC.

They need to submit to the Pope and stop leading people out of the Church. Period.

And you need to stop sympathizing with this group … they are leading people out of the Church.

Atleast with the indolent bishops you speak of have not broken communion with Roman Pontiff. This is perhaps all that can be said in their defence. But in that, they do one good thing. So stop calling them Hitler or Stalin because they do have at least one good thing going for them.
Abramo
Again, Father, you are a great homilist, but today you have become a victim of your polemics. To claim that the SSPX is "Protestant" is ludicrous and cheap sophism.

We all know that our carrier-bishops who fight the SSPX are Protestants. We all know that these bishops do not follow the Catholic Faith or the Roman Pontiff.

A concept of "obedience" that abstracts from faith and Catholic contents,…More
Again, Father, you are a great homilist, but today you have become a victim of your polemics. To claim that the SSPX is "Protestant" is ludicrous and cheap sophism.

We all know that our carrier-bishops who fight the SSPX are Protestants. We all know that these bishops do not follow the Catholic Faith or the Roman Pontiff.

A concept of "obedience" that abstracts from faith and Catholic contents, comes awfully close the the concept of "obedience" of Hitler and Stalin. This is not Catholic. It is unjust, Father, that you bang the SSPX. There will be many more of our bishops and priests in hell than bishops and priests of the SSPX. Why do you not preach about that?
pnicholson
G. Taylor,

Let us combine forces to save our children from catholic illiteracy! Let us invade the Internet! :)
G.Taylor
Father, thank you for your positivity.
I am well aware that the Holy Father can not teach error regarding sacred dogma. However most people ( in particular the young) do not understand due to the very poor catechesis they have endured in catholic schools, the media age we live in has to be countered with truth not the confusion we have been subjected to since March 2013.

Thank you, Father, for …More
Father, thank you for your positivity.
I am well aware that the Holy Father can not teach error regarding sacred dogma. However most people ( in particular the young) do not understand due to the very poor catechesis they have endured in catholic schools, the media age we live in has to be countered with truth not the confusion we have been subjected to since March 2013.

Thank you, Father, for your priestly ministry and service to God and His Church.
pnicholson
G. Taylor;
Are you asking me to doubt the catholicity of the Vicar of Christ? That he would give us a stone rather then a loaf of bread? I would sooner believe that the moon is made of cheese.
Look, I will admit that this Holy Father is different then his predecessors, and he does things that unsettle me. However, he has changed nothing of the sacred dogmas of the faith, and further to that, he …More
G. Taylor;
Are you asking me to doubt the catholicity of the Vicar of Christ? That he would give us a stone rather then a loaf of bread? I would sooner believe that the moon is made of cheese.
Look, I will admit that this Holy Father is different then his predecessors, and he does things that unsettle me. However, he has changed nothing of the sacred dogmas of the faith, and further to that, he can't. He might place a different accent, or a different tone to things, but that is his prerogative.
When I think of glorious St. Joseph before the Expectancy of the Holy Virgin(before the Angel of the Lord told him the circumstances of the Incarnation), and I think that St. Joseph understands my plight. I know the Pope cannot teach error, just as St. Joseph knew that Our Lady could never be unfaithful. However there is part of this I do not understand, and this frightens me. I know the Pope is not the Blessed Mother, but he is in the most solemn sense of the word protected from teaching in solemn definition an error. But at the same time, he can look and act in a way that makes me squirm. All of this is a mystery of the workings of God. God will be glorified in all of this, but we must stay very calm and trusting.
Put yourself in the arms of St. Joseph and stop worrying.
G.Taylor
Father,
I listen (watch) you with regularity. I am not a member of SSPX, however I have to say the Pope has appointed Cardinals to his inner circle which cause anyone with a smidgen of intelligence ( and knowledge) grave concern.
HE Cardinal Marx of the German bishops pornography business fame.
The Cardinal from USA who accepted a "sacramental" babtismal re-affermation or some such silly name. …More
Father,
I listen (watch) you with regularity. I am not a member of SSPX, however I have to say the Pope has appointed Cardinals to his inner circle which cause anyone with a smidgen of intelligence ( and knowledge) grave concern.
HE Cardinal Marx of the German bishops pornography business fame.
The Cardinal from USA who accepted a "sacramental" babtismal re-affermation or some such silly name. What is his agenda.
I pray for Christ's Vicar daily, however my reason tells me he is wrong; i.e. telling the faithful the worst thing in the world is youth unemployment, Our Lady accussed Almighty God for tricking her, telling reporters regarding the priest who manages the hotel he lives in ( regarding said priests very public affair with another man) who am I to judge.

Sorry father but the Pope is not wise and opens his mouth causing such very real concerns about the truth of faith.
He needs a retreat where he lays aside his all very highly intelligent Jesuit training and return to saying yes when he means yes and no when he means no- as directed by Our Lord - and stop with the all so very "clever" media grabbing statements. He does the Church no service, all he does is cause confusion, just listen to the young and their interpretation of what the Holy Father has been quoted as saying. It is not good.