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You Are Implying that the Pope Could Lead a Schism? Cardinal Burke, "Yes"

We were repeatedly told that the Family Synod was not about permitting active adulterers to receive Communion, Cardinal Burke told Ross Douthat, “But in the end, that is what it was about.” He furth…
If Burke persists in the lie that LeFebvre was a schismatic, then Burke is the enemy of Catholics. The best thing to do about Burke is to lose interest in him.
I think Cardinal Burke will come around on that as well. One thing leads into the other.
But I do agree that his persistent opposition to SSPX is distressing, and only takes away from the rest of what he says. It is as if the one puzzle piece he is missing is the one he just hasn't been able to accept, as of yet.
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How can Lefebre be a schismatic if Bergoglio is not a schismatic. Does not Bergoglio to whom Burke clings the ultime example of a schismatic?
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It seems like Cardinal Burke is struggling with how he needs to respond to this pontificate. Give him time, he is wrestling with his conscience, a very well-informed conscience. He is still tumbling and rolling. Once he levels out, I'm confident that he will act heroically.
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To join a schismatic like Bergoglio is to be schismatic so Burke must separate himself from the one who has openly declared war on Christ. Pray for Cardinal Burke so that like St. Vincent Ferrer who was fooled by an anti Pope open his eyes because the problem is that Cardinal Burke thinks that Bergoglio was validly elected pope and that is why he does not see the exit but Bergoglio was already …More
To join a schismatic like Bergoglio is to be schismatic so Burke must separate himself from the one who has openly declared war on Christ. Pray for Cardinal Burke so that like St. Vincent Ferrer who was fooled by an anti Pope open his eyes because the problem is that Cardinal Burke thinks that Bergoglio was validly elected pope and that is why he does not see the exit but Bergoglio was already out of the Church for being a schismatic apostate and contumacious heretic in Argentina
when he was Invalidly chosen and therefore the Magisterium of the Church decrees invalid and voids the elevation of a heretic to the papacy.
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It intrigues me how +Burke expounds on how "he" would not be guilty of schism because "documents" break from Catholic tradition while he glibly infers that others (SSPX) who take legitimate issue with the divergent documents within Vatican II constitute a schism.

Maybe this situation will teach us all to think twice before branding others falsely.
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I hate to say it, but it is so like lefties, Schism legitimate for me, but not for thee...
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With every statement he makes, +Burke erodes his credibility with those who know history, embrace the Faith, and have the wherewithal to want to see the whole picture instead of pretending Francis erupted out of a vacuum. The TRUTH sets us free, not assurances from +Burke that if they follow "him" and "his conclusions" all will be well. So sad that he continues to trash +Lefebvre.
If you have always defended the Faith but are now called an enemy of the pope, it does not take a highschool education to realize that perhaps the man you think is the Pope is an imposter, Antipope, heretic, or devil. Take your pick. If you refuse to consider that, I ask why you like being tormented by a liar.
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"People say that I speak against the ordinary form of the mass. I don’t, I speak against a way of celebrating the ordinary form which is not properly transcendent. But I suppose you’re accurate to say this would have marked me."
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What a wonderful opportunity for +Burke to clarify against his detractors when he regularly detracts from others who have not the opportunity to defend themselves. I suppose it would be accurate to say that he has marked himself as not to be trusted when it comes to judging with just judgment.
More likely is the broadening of an unpoken schism, which has already happened. Even now, traditionalists and modernists follow a different liturgical calendar and have a radically different cultural/ theological/ politicial worldview.

Politically, dissidents will acknowledge the Pope is the Pope and simply ignore his pronouncements. Shocking? Not really. Modernist bishops have already been …More
More likely is the broadening of an unpoken schism, which has already happened. Even now, traditionalists and modernists follow a different liturgical calendar and have a radically different cultural/ theological/ politicial worldview.

Politically, dissidents will acknowledge the Pope is the Pope and simply ignore his pronouncements. Shocking? Not really. Modernist bishops have already been applying that approach to Summorum Pontifucum.

BXVI officially lifted all restrictions on traditional Latin Mass. Some bishops just chose to ignore him. "I think it confuses parishioners so I forbid it in my diocese." BXVI's Vatican never rebuked them.

The same can (and will) happen with Francis and with Francis' successor who undoubtely will be one of those clowns in line for a cardinal's biretta.
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world. [They’ve] experienced the bankruptcy of the culture. A lot of them have suffered through divorce in their families or they’ve been plagued with the evil of pornography”

“... And they want a church that teaches them clearly the way to eternal salvation, the way to lead a good and decent life on earth.”
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“Where conservative Catholics have the power to resist what seem like false ideas or disastrous innovations they must do so. But they also need to see their relative powerlessness ... as a possible purgation”
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Burke: ...During one of the [Family Synod] breaks, Card. Caffarra [the late abp of Bologna], who was a dear friend of mine, came up to me and he said, what is going on? He said those of us who are defending the church’s teaching and discipline are now called enemies of the pope.

And that is symbolic of what happened. Throughout my priesthood, I was always criticized for being too attentive to …More
Burke: ...During one of the [Family Synod] breaks, Card. Caffarra [the late abp of Bologna], who was a dear friend of mine, came up to me and he said, what is going on? He said those of us who are defending the church’s teaching and discipline are now called enemies of the pope.

And that is symbolic of what happened. Throughout my priesthood, I was always criticized for being too attentive to what the pope was saying. And now I find myself in a situation where I’m called the enemy of the pope, which I am not. I haven’t changed.

I’m still teaching the same things I always taught and they’re not my ideas. But now suddenly this is perceived as being contrary to the Roman pontiff. And I think here what’s entered in is a very political view of the papacy, where the pope is some kind of absolute monarch who can do whatever he wants. That has never been the case in the church. The pope is not a revolutionary, elected to change the church’s teaching. And a lot of the secular view is people looking at the church, but not understanding her profound reality.
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