LOL. Check out the quotation. From Francis Or Freemason?

The Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Italy Gian Franco Pilloni wrote this to Pope Francis on September 9, 2013.
I mean, there are people, still, that look at you with befuddled eyes, because you say feminism, lgbt, etc., are forms of neo-marxist revolutiin. They don't see the connection, so, they call you crazy and so on. The problem is your blindness and your ignorance; and I'm not responsible for them!!!
"because you say feminism, lgbt, etc., are forms of neo-marxist revolutiin." -except I did not say that here or anywhere else. in this case you are correct, because they are not contradictory to marxism.

"The problem is your blindness and your ignorance;" --oh the irony, the irony. :D Truly. Your problem is you fefuse to recognize the contradiction in your claim and so, in your mind it does …More
"because you say feminism, lgbt, etc., are forms of neo-marxist revolutiin." -except I did not say that here or anywhere else. in this case you are correct, because they are not contradictory to marxism.

"The problem is your blindness and your ignorance;" --oh the irony, the irony. :D Truly. Your problem is you fefuse to recognize the contradiction in your claim and so, in your mind it does not exist.

...this is also why you will not discuss "the problem" of your claim. A Marxist is an atheist. Marx himself was an atheist. An atheist does not believe in religion of any kind. A kabbalist does believe in religion, specifically the Jewish religion, and a specific set of teachings within the Jewish religion. A man can not be both at the same time.

This returns to what you said earlier. "as always, the problem is in the eye of the beholder.". In your case, you refuse to acknowledge the problem. But the problem still exists, whether you recognize it or not.
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Dr Bobus
Communists are atheists. Masons are not.
...which begs the question how someone could possibly be both as eticacasanova claims. He also claims Pope Francis is a communist and a kabbalist and a gnostic magician which also contradicts itself in the same manner. Communists are atheists while kabbalists and gnostic magicians are not..

Unless etica is wrong, but hey, he's a self-described lawyer with a Ph.D so clearly that's off the …More
...which begs the question how someone could possibly be both as eticacasanova claims. He also claims Pope Francis is a communist and a kabbalist and a gnostic magician which also contradicts itself in the same manner. Communists are atheists while kabbalists and gnostic magicians are not..

Unless etica is wrong, but hey, he's a self-described lawyer with a Ph.D so clearly that's off the table, amirite? :D

At this rate, it's only a matter of time before a cuckoo-bird insists, with all seriousness, Pope Francis drinks the blood of unbaptized children during Mass.
I see, you are un pain after a total defeat. Noise, noise, noise, if a concept cannot fit in your brains, poor concept, right? You remind me of a student i had who said the Trinity is a contradiction: as always, the problem is in the eye of the beholder. Hey, wait, jews are like my student, they say we are idolaters and politheists, because of the Trinity and the Incarnation.... mmmmmmmm, you …More
I see, you are un pain after a total defeat. Noise, noise, noise, if a concept cannot fit in your brains, poor concept, right? You remind me of a student i had who said the Trinity is a contradiction: as always, the problem is in the eye of the beholder. Hey, wait, jews are like my student, they say we are idolaters and politheists, because of the Trinity and the Incarnation.... mmmmmmmm, you are here the paladín of the jews, bothering others with your last logic class on fallacies and stuff like that. Mmmmmmmmm. Something very suggestive. Jajajajaja, poor man, I give you muy apostolic blessing and I pray our mother for you, my son
@Dr Bobus, tell me, if it's the way you say tell me, then: why the mexican revolution is marxist and masonic; why, in France, the lidge has been diminayed by atheists since the final quarter of the XIX century, ETC. I could keep going, but you have to do your homewirk before you engage and throw arguments.
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I would love to know how you "defeated" me when you refuse to address the point I raised. You still haven't. :D

"You remind me of..." -irrelevant. I'm not one of your students, thanks be to God.

" who said the Trinity is a contradiction:" -irrelevant. That's an example he brought up. I pointed out a contradiction in the example you brought up. One you can not and will not …More
@eticacasanova
I would love to know how you "defeated" me when you refuse to address the point I raised. You still haven't. :D

"You remind me of..." -irrelevant. I'm not one of your students, thanks be to God.

" who said the Trinity is a contradiction:" -irrelevant. That's an example he brought up. I pointed out a contradiction in the example you brought up. One you can not and will not address.

"jews are like my student" -it seems everyone capable of reason "is like your student."

"you are here the paladin of the jews." -Christ and His Apostles, first and foremost among them.

"bothering others with your last logic class on fallacies" -- said the man who uses the students in his class as examples. ;-)

You should take a good logic class some time. It might keep you from making those fallacies. You made at least four of them in your post, btw. :p
I keep remembering, thanks to you: those idiots that, when Lei XIII saud that communism and capitalism were pretty much the same, they called him stupid because they are contrary, according to them. Only i their little very blunt minds... like others I know if. Dios te bendiga, hijito, puede que crezcas, lo dudo, con esa actitud inmadura, da mucha lástima. No puedo ayudarte más.
It comes from Voegelin's study on gnosticism, in which all these movements converge. You could read, for instance, Christopher Dawson: he shows, historically, how romantic german authors adopt Joachim's tripartite vision of history, because they received it from Lessing. Everybody knows of the connections among kabbala and renaissance authors, Reuchlin, John Dee, Rosacrucians, masonry, the …More
It comes from Voegelin's study on gnosticism, in which all these movements converge. You could read, for instance, Christopher Dawson: he shows, historically, how romantic german authors adopt Joachim's tripartite vision of history, because they received it from Lessing. Everybody knows of the connections among kabbala and renaissance authors, Reuchlin, John Dee, Rosacrucians, masonry, the alchemists, Bohem, for instance, and through Bohem, with Hegel. So, you get Marx, the nephew of the kabbalist rabbi, his connecion with Hegel, AND A HUGE ETC., and there you go. Bergoglio is a marxist and a kabbalist, friend of like 1000 rabbies, Skorka at the head of them... He is such a thing and I'm not just some one who throws insults just for the plessure. So, bobo, bobus, a little bit of respect: maybe, you're talking to a man that speaks with cause and knows his s..t. Are we cool?
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to make it perfectly clear, beyond any doubt:

Francis is a communist and a freemason (see Abu Dhabi and the new Humanist Manifesto, calling for a new Education Alliance); and that's why we know he is a kabbalist: a gnostic magician, that believes he can control the spiritual world by the use of gematria and biblical hebrew... That's the main source of freemasonry, undeniably (like, for instance,…More
to make it perfectly clear, beyond any doubt:

Francis is a communist and a freemason (see Abu Dhabi and the new Humanist Manifesto, calling for a new Education Alliance); and that's why we know he is a kabbalist: a gnostic magician, that believes he can control the spiritual world by the use of gematria and biblical hebrew... That's the main source of freemasonry, undeniably (like, for instance, said in an essay to that effect Saint Maximilian Kolbe, among many). That's why he is always playing with words, like Heidegger and saying that Christ didn't multiply the loaves, "BECAUSE HE IS NO MAGICIAN". Only one illustration. That's what he learned from his rabbi mentors (mainly Skorka), what the Church has always condemned: see Civiltá Cattolica, 1890, on the Jewish Question, on the 100th anniversary of the French revolution, here you find abundant material on the issue, again, beyond any doubt:

www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/jewrope.htm
Now say it: it's not proven that Bergoglio is a communist, a freemason and a kabbalist. Say it
You remind me of those geniuses that laugh when people like MacIntyre say that the Enlightenment was a secular religious copy of Christianity. Dawson makes it perfectly clear: same escathology, same view of the Providence as ohisical law (Toynbee says this, also), same ethics (MacIntyre's point, precisely). And the geniuses go: "what does a secular anti-christian movement has to do with …More
You remind me of those geniuses that laugh when people like MacIntyre say that the Enlightenment was a secular religious copy of Christianity. Dawson makes it perfectly clear: same escathology, same view of the Providence as ohisical law (Toynbee says this, also), same ethics (MacIntyre's point, precisely). And the geniuses go: "what does a secular anti-christian movement has to do with Christianity?, it's its opposite". Of course it is, but, to be so, it took the doctrines and deprived them of God and Transcendence.... Go ahead, keep saying I don't prove s..t, be my guest...
Or it is like MacIntyre, who used to be a marxist, says rhat marxism is an atheidt religion. Watch Stalin's funeral and you will get what he meant
It us like John Searle, who says and prves that materialism is the religion of the world of today. And very lutheran, that is, irrational at that: it doesn't allow questions ask, forbids them, and demands total submission
I could keep going with paradoxes that you would deem as contradictions just because you intellect is too small
"when Lei XIII saud that communism and capitalism were pretty much the same, they called him stupid because they are contrary"

...failed comparison and argumentum ad verecundiam. ;-)

"Only i their little very blunt minds... like others I know if."

...argumentum ad hominem, argumentum ad populam.

Knowledge presupposes evidence and a linear chain of reasoning employin said evidence i.e. …More
"when Lei XIII saud that communism and capitalism were pretty much the same, they called him stupid because they are contrary"

...failed comparison and argumentum ad verecundiam. ;-)

"Only i their little very blunt minds... like others I know if."

...argumentum ad hominem, argumentum ad populam.

Knowledge presupposes evidence and a linear chain of reasoning employin said evidence i.e. proof, which is what you can not provide. Belief requires no proof whatsoever..

What you -have- provided is a cut-and-paste from last night filled with a great deal of "name dropping". Your actual evidence is quoted here verbatim

a.) "It comes from Voegelin's study on gnosticism, in which all these movements converge.

...and readily disproven by the increasingly confrontational political structure within every modern Western nation. Even more true within religious movements, Christianity included. They do NOT "converge". We don't agree with the Lutherans.. Even among Catholics, we're increasingly drifting away from the Novus Ordo.

b.) "AND A HUGE ETC., and there you go.".

*points at the chalk-board* There you go. :D

I can tell you one thing for certain. None of your students respect you. Es verdad. The clever ones learn very quickly to say what you want to hear. The honest ones try to argue and get bad grades.

But they both understand they are being taught by a donkey. The clever student gives the donkey a carrot and the donkey follows him. The honest student argues with the donkey but it stays stubborn and kicks him. But both students know it's a donkey and neither of them respect it.
Such a lame excuses to avoiding accept an utter defeat. It's like: "you use an analogy, that's unacceptable, because only the total and direct proof is valuable as evidence or argument". That's ridiculous and it's pretty tiresome to watch resort to this kind of pseudo-arguments, used to avoid engaging in real arguments. Aristotle and Saint Thomas even talked about signs, and you say analogies …More
Such a lame excuses to avoiding accept an utter defeat. It's like: "you use an analogy, that's unacceptable, because only the total and direct proof is valuable as evidence or argument". That's ridiculous and it's pretty tiresome to watch resort to this kind of pseudo-arguments, used to avoid engaging in real arguments. Aristotle and Saint Thomas even talked about signs, and you say analogies are illegitimate... forma God sakes!!! I mean: you are an infant with a new toy with your supposed knowledge of logics. It only cripples you and you make a fool of yourself, really, it's enough
"Such a lame excuses to avoiding accept an utter defeat."

You must be the joke of every faculty meeting. :D

"you use an analogy, that's unacceptable, because only the total and direct proof is valuable as evidence or argument".

...that's a straw-man fallacy because I did not present that argument. I have pointed out the contradiction you made several times now. You did not, can not, and will …More
"Such a lame excuses to avoiding accept an utter defeat."

You must be the joke of every faculty meeting. :D

"you use an analogy, that's unacceptable, because only the total and direct proof is valuable as evidence or argument".

...that's a straw-man fallacy because I did not present that argument. I have pointed out the contradiction you made several times now. You did not, can not, and will not refute it. You did not even defend your own "evidence", i.e Voegelin's study on gnosticism when I challenged it.

Analogies show one thing is similar to another in a certain way. They do not show one thing is the other. When you say Pope Francis is a Marxist, that is easy to prove. When you say Pope Francis is a Kabbalist, that contradicts being a Marxist. You also have not shown any evidence he is a Kabbalist, regardless of Marxism or not.

When you make a claim you should provide provide proof, not an analogy.

"it's pretty tiresome to watch resort to this kind of pseudo-arguments, used to avoid engaging in real arguments."

...there is no worse hypocrisy than a man hiding his own failings by accusing others of them.

When I engage in a real argument you whine about "bothering others with your last logic class on fallacies". I know why. So do you. That kind of argument you can not do. It was the foundation of Greek and (later) Christian philosophy. You aren't clever enough to argue like that. Your Ph.D in Philosophy isn't worth the paper it was written on.

..."and you say analogies are illegitimate."

...something I never did. Another straw-man fallacy.

But this is an easy thing for you to prove. Quote me. Directly. Word for word. Not "you said and (I think) that means", not "what you implied (but did not say)", not "I defeated you again etc. "., not "I am too busy to find it." You made the claim. I say your claim is false. Now prove it with a quote,

There. Now you have a real argument, even one simple enough for you.
Keep going with your fallacy fantasy and never make an argument, boy. Dios te bendiga, son
You made the claim. I say your claim is false. Now prove it with a quote. Either you can provide the quote or you can't. If you can't then your claim fails. That's a very simple argument. And another one you're avoiding.

That isn't a "fallacy fantasy", either. It's put up or shut up. :D Knowing you, you'll do neither. ;-) I'm really beginning to understand why people on GTV sneer at the "…More
You made the claim. I say your claim is false. Now prove it with a quote. Either you can provide the quote or you can't. If you can't then your claim fails. That's a very simple argument. And another one you're avoiding.

That isn't a "fallacy fantasy", either. It's put up or shut up. :D Knowing you, you'll do neither. ;-) I'm really beginning to understand why people on GTV sneer at the "Latin Americans". You're supposed to be Ph.D? A lawyer, no less? Get out. :p

My theory is you started as a lawyer, couldn't make a living because you lost your cases and decided teaching at a university was easier and safer.

What you call a "fallacy fantasy" was known to the Greek scholars and later Christian theologians by the term "reason". It's a mode of discourse you can not perform.

Probably because it requires more thought than repeating slanderous, anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It also requires a little more than "AND A HUGE ETC., and there you go."

And there you go. :D
Lalanz
God is still in full control and is using the wicked to United the righteous!!!!
Francis is a communist and a freemason; and that's why we know he is a kabbalist: a gnostic magician, that believes he can control the spiritual world by the use if gematria and biblical hebrew... That's the main source of freemasonry, undeniably (like, for instance, said in an essay to that effect Saint Maximilian Kolbe, among many). That's why he is always playing with words, like Heidegger …More
Francis is a communist and a freemason; and that's why we know he is a kabbalist: a gnostic magician, that believes he can control the spiritual world by the use if gematria and biblical hebrew... That's the main source of freemasonry, undeniably (like, for instance, said in an essay to that effect Saint Maximilian Kolbe, among many). That's why he is always playing with words, like Heidegger and saying that Christ didn't multiply the loaves, "BECAUSE HE IS NO MAGICIAN". only one illustration. That's what he learned from his rabbi mentors, what the Church has always condemned: Civiltá Cattolica, 1890, on the Jewish Question, on the 100th anniversary of the French revolution:

www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/jewrope.htm
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... and Francis repeated it in the Abu Dhabi declaration.