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Bishops Say Gays Have Gifts To Offer Church

WochitGeneralNews on Oct 13, 2014 Catholic bishops showed unprecedented openness Monday to accepting the real lives of many Catholics today, saying gays had gifts to offer the church and should be …More
WochitGeneralNews on Oct 13, 2014 Catholic bishops showed unprecedented openness Monday to accepting the real lives of many Catholics today, saying gays had gifts to offer the church and should be accepted and that there were "positive" aspects to a couple living together without being married. A two-week meeting of bishops on family issues arrived at its halfway point with a document summarizing the closed-door debate so far. No decisions were announced, but the tone of the report was one of almost-revolutionary acceptance, rather than condemnation, with the aim of guiding Catholics toward the ideal of a lasting marriage.
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Fiel al Evangelio
Pero la gente en vez de defender el evangelio de Jesucristo prefieren aceptar lo que diga Francisco porque le han dado el puesto que le corresponde a Dios.
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Rollback: Bishops seek to balance opening to gays
Several known conservatives who participated in the synod immediately came out against the report. The head of the Polish bishops' conference, Cardinal Stanislaw Gadecki, called it "unacceptable" and a deviation from church teaching.
Hard-line American Cardinal Raymond Burke, the head of the Vatican's supreme court, complained that the Vatican …More
Rollback: Bishops seek to balance opening to gays
Several known conservatives who participated in the synod immediately came out against the report. The head of the Polish bishops' conference, Cardinal Stanislaw Gadecki, called it "unacceptable" and a deviation from church teaching.
Hard-line American Cardinal Raymond Burke, the head of the Vatican's supreme court, complained that the Vatican was releasing "manipulated" information about the goings-on of the synod that didn't reflect the "consistent number of bishops" who opposed such a tone.
According to the Vatican summary of the debate, bishops suggested that the final version of the report highlight faithful, Catholic families to avoid "a near-exclusive focus on imperfect family situations."
On gays, they said "prudence" was required "so that the impression of a positive evaluation of such a tendency on the part of the church is not created. The same care was advised with regard to cohabitation."
The bishops noted that the word "sin" barely appeared in the document at all and that the final document must better explain the "law of gradualness" - a theological concept that encourages the faithful to take one step at a time in the search for holiness.
Bishops are concerned that an emphasis on graduality can lead to confusion about whether Catholics really must follow church law to the letter on hot-button issues like contraception.
Finally, the summary noted that some bishops firmly believe there is no room for change on the divisive issue of whether Catholics who divorce and remarry without getting an annulment can receive Communion.
Church teaching holds that without an annulment, these Catholics are living in sin and thus are ineligible to receive the sacraments.
Pope Francis has called for a more merciful approach and some favor a case-by-case approach, in which the couple undertakes a path of penance and could ultimately receive the sacraments. But conservatives have insisted there is no getting around Jesus' words that marriage is indissoluble.
In the summary released Tuesday, the Vatican reported that "it was said that it is difficult to accept exceptions unless in reality they become a common rule."

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What the Vatican Really Said About Homosexuality
First, here’s what the document actually is:
time.com/…/pope-francis-va…
The relatio is a mid-Synod snapshot of 200+ Catholic leaders’ conversations that happened in the Synod hall last week. It is a starting point for conversations as the Synod fathers start small group discussions this week. It is a working text that identifies where bishops …More
What the Vatican Really Said About Homosexuality
First, here’s what the document actually is:
time.com/…/pope-francis-va…
The relatio is a mid-Synod snapshot of 200+ Catholic leaders’ conversations that happened in the Synod hall last week. It is a starting point for conversations as the Synod fathers start small group discussions this week. It is a working text that identifies where bishops need to “deepen or clarify our understanding,” as Cardinal Luis Antonia Tagle put it in Monday’s press briefing. That means that the topic of gays and Catholic life came up in the Synod conversations so far and that it is a topic for continued reflection.
Second, here’s what the document is not:
The relatio is not a proscriptive text. It is not a decree. It is not doctrine, and certainly not a doctrinal shift. It is also not final. “These are not decisions that have been made nor simply points of view,” the document concludes. “The reflections put forward, the fruit of the Synodal dialogue that took place in great freedom and a spirit of reciprocal listening, are intended to raise questions and indicate perspectives that will have to be matured and made clearer by the reflection of the local Churches in the year that separates us from the Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of bishops planned for October 2015.”

So, what does all of that mean? Cardinal Tagle perhaps said it best when he said at Monday’s press briefing, with a smile, “The drama continues.”

The relatio reaffirms at several points that marriage is between a man and a woman. Substance on that point is not changing. The Vatican has been repeatedly clear that this Synod will bring no changes to doctrine, or even a final document with new rites. To “welcome gays” does not mean the Church is no longer equating “gay” with “sin.”
Instead, tone—as it has always been with the Francis papacy—is what is on the table. The style that Pope Francis lives is one that starts with a spirit of embrace, of mercy, and not with sin. It begins with figuring out at what points embrace is possible before determining the points at which it is not. That may be one reason why people like top Vatican watcher John Thavis are calling this mid-synod report “an earthquake.”
But it is also important to remember that the Synod on the Family is almost a two-year-long process, and this snapshot is just that, a snapshot of one week in that process. There will be more such snapshot documents in the coming months.
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Was soll ihre erste Bemerkung zu diesem Artkel? Fatima lächerlich zu machen ist einer Katholikin unwürdig!
Francesco Federico
„Clamitat ad caelum vox sanguinis [nach Gen 4,10 VUL] et Sodomorum [nach Gen 18,20 VUL],
vox oppressorum [nach Ex 3,7 VUL], merces[que] retenta [oder remorata] laborum [nach Jak 5,4 VUL].[1]
Es schreit zum Himmel die Stimme des Bluts und der Sodomer,
die Stimme der Unterdrückten [und] des zurückgehaltenen [verzögerten] Lohns der Arbeit[en].

Eine Variante nimmt ein Motiv aus ExMore
„Clamitat ad caelum vox sanguinis [nach Gen 4,10 VUL] et Sodomorum [nach Gen 18,20 VUL],
vox oppressorum [nach Ex 3,7 VUL], merces[que] retenta [oder remorata] laborum [nach Jak 5,4 VUL].[1]
Es schreit zum Himmel die Stimme des Bluts und der Sodomer,
die Stimme der Unterdrückten [und] des zurückgehaltenen [verzögerten] Lohns der Arbeit[en].

Eine Variante nimmt ein Motiv aus Ex 22,23 VUL auf:
„Clamitat ad caelum vox sanguinis et Sodomorum,
vox oppressorum, viduae, pretium famulorum.
Es schreit zum Himmel die Stimme des Bluts und der Sodomer,
die Stimme der Unterdrückten, der Witwe, der Diener Lohn.
Francesco Federico
Pecados que claman venganza a Dios”, y son los siguientes:
El primero: Homicidio voluntario
El segundo: Pecado impuro contra naturaleza
El tercero: Opresión del pobre
El cuarto: Defraudar al obrero su jornal

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Francesco Federico
The four sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance (or sins that cry to Heaven) are a list of sins in Catholic tradition that Catholics believe demand justice from God:
The "blood of Abel": homicide, infanticide, fratricide, parricide, and matricide
The "sin of the Sodomites": pride, gluttony, negligence of the poor, abuse of children, and homosexual acts
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The four sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance (or sins that cry to Heaven) are a list of sins in Catholic tradition that Catholics believe demand justice from God:
The "blood of Abel": homicide, infanticide, fratricide, parricide, and matricide
The "sin of the Sodomites": pride, gluttony, negligence of the poor, abuse of children, and homosexual acts
The "cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan": slavery and marginalization[5]
The "injustice to the wage earner": taking advantage of and defrauding workers

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Francesco Federico
Nous devons nous rappeller qu'Il y a quatre péchés dont on dit qu’ils crient vengeance devant la face de Dieu :
1. l’homicide volontaire ;
2. le péché impur contre l’ordre de la nature ;
3. l’oppression des pauvres ;
4. le refus du salaire aux ouvriers.

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966. Quali sono i peccati che si dicono gridare vendetta nel cospetto di Dio?

I peccati che diconsi gridar vendetta nel cospetto di Dio sono quattro:

omicidio volontario;
peccato impuro contro l'ordine della natura;
oppressione dei poveri;
fraudare la mercede agli operai.
967. Perché si dice che questi peccati gridano vendetta al cospetto di Dio?

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966. Quali sono i peccati che si dicono gridare vendetta nel cospetto di Dio?

I peccati che diconsi gridar vendetta nel cospetto di Dio sono quattro:

omicidio volontario;
peccato impuro contro l'ordine della natura;
oppressione dei poveri;
fraudare la mercede agli operai.
967. Perché si dice che questi peccati gridano vendetta al cospetto di Dio?

Questi peccati diconsi gridare vendetta al cospetto di Dio, perché lo dice lo Spirito Santo e perché la loro iniquità è così grave e manifesta che provoca Dio a punirli con più severi castighi.

www.cattoliciromani.com/28-catechismo/32313-i-quattro…

Sancte Pie V et Sacte Pie X orate pro nobis et propter Sactam Romanam Ecclessiam !
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What's next??!!: Pedophilia: A Disorder, Not a Crime
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Gays have gifts to offer like bringing down the wrath of God. Homosexuality should be criminalized. Homosexuality is a crime against God and against the Holy Bible. After seeing this story I know why God wrote:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Gays have gifts to offer like bringing down the wrath of God. Homosexuality should be criminalized. Homosexuality is a crime against God and against the Holy Bible. After seeing this story I know why God wrote:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: :26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: :27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
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"Konzilskirchenlogik" zur selben Angelegenheit JA und NEIN zu sagen, und die einzige Toleranz die wahrlich gefordert wird, ist die Toleranz für die Sünde welche ja nur eine Intoleranz gegenüber Gott den Herrn und seiner Kirche ist, den man Unterstellt ja con Lange Gott den Herrn und seiner Kirche, das diese nicht wissen was Gut und was Böse ist.

Nur fragt man sich halt ja doch, was werden die …More
"Konzilskirchenlogik" zur selben Angelegenheit JA und NEIN zu sagen, und die einzige Toleranz die wahrlich gefordert wird, ist die Toleranz für die Sünde welche ja nur eine Intoleranz gegenüber Gott den Herrn und seiner Kirche ist, den man Unterstellt ja con Lange Gott den Herrn und seiner Kirche, das diese nicht wissen was Gut und was Böse ist.

Nur fragt man sich halt ja doch, was werden die wenigen katholischen Episkopaten tun wenn die Synode unter Franz 1 etwas verkündet was man nicht unterschreiben kann Präsident der polnischen Bischofskonferenz: Synodenpapier unannehmbar ?? Wie viele der wenigen noch wahrlich katholischen Hirten werden in einen Seelenverschlingenden "Führer- Kadavergehorsam" verfallen, oder sich doch für Gott den Herrn und seiner Kirche entscheiden????

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Synode: Mehr Toleranz gegenüber Homosexuellen gefordert
In einem Zwischenbericht zur „Halbzeit“ der derzeitigen Bischofssynode im Vatikan setzt die katholische Kirche Zeichen in Richtung mehr Toleranz gegenüber Homosexuellen.
Diese könnten die christliche Gemeinschaft bereichern, heißt es in dem Bericht, der heute vom Generalrelator der Synode, dem ungarischen Kardinal Peter Erdö, vorgestellt …More
Synode: Mehr Toleranz gegenüber Homosexuellen gefordert
In einem Zwischenbericht zur „Halbzeit“ der derzeitigen Bischofssynode im Vatikan setzt die katholische Kirche Zeichen in Richtung mehr Toleranz gegenüber Homosexuellen.
Diese könnten die christliche Gemeinschaft bereichern, heißt es in dem Bericht, der heute vom Generalrelator der Synode, dem ungarischen Kardinal Peter Erdö, vorgestellt wurde. Gleichzeitig sei aber klar, dass eine homosexuelle Beziehung niemals einer Ehe zwischen Mann und Frau gleichgestellt werden könne.
Auch in der Streitfrage der wiederverheirateten Geschiedenen signalisiert das Dokument Offenheit: In der zweiten Sitzungswoche der Synode, die noch bis 19. Oktober dauert, soll über „mutige pastorale Entscheidungen“ in Einzelfällen diskutiert werden.
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