""Le Père de Vergeron vous a trépané le cerveau. C'est un moderniste fidéiste du niveau d'un Jean-Claude Vandamme. La plupart de ses paroles n'ont pas de sens. On est face à l'idée habituelle de l'expérience intime, si chère aux modernistes. Il réprouve la dialectique car la raison le condamne, donc il préfère inviter les gens à s'abandonner à la déraison, au sentiment intime,etc. "" signé Jean Baptiste

Le pere Patrick de Vergeron est tout sauf moderniste
N'importe quoi

Thomiste chevronné et Aristotélicien de formation, il n'est pas à la remorque de la dialectique hégélienne, c'est un contemplatif: s'il y en a un qui enseigne de bannir la déraison et le sentimentalisme et d’intellectuellement correct des manichéens dont vous ètes, vous et les modernistes invétérés ... Il nous informe en toute humilité, sans autre prétention... Il n'a pas d'opinion personnelle; ceux qui le connaissent ne sont pas trépannés

vos injures inconcevables pour un homme d'honneur font sonner toutes vos autres paroles comme peu recommandables

je remercie moniquemaman qui résume bien dès le départ de vos interventions ce qu'on peut , peu à peu devoir penser de votre degré de crédibilité

non cette petite Véronique connait mieux l'hébreu que vous: elle résume en peu de mots ce que d'autre comme vous mettent des chapitres entiers contorsionnés ridicules et imbuvables à essayer de renverser, malgé l'évidence

Mais, au fait, qui a pu vous trépanner, de si belle manière ?

merci de nous dire sans fard que c'est la position des SEDEVACANTISTES

Nous vous reconnaissons bien là, JeanBaptiste :vous ne changez guère au cours des mois et des années
Comment le pourriez vous d'ailleurs vu que comme Père Martin Luther il n' y a plus de timonier chez vous depuis deux générations ...

Nous vous recommandons une lecture rapprochée de certains textes dogmatiques du Concile Vatican I ( horresco referens ? ) sur l'infaillibilité

on se doute bien que ceux qui ont quitté le bateau naviguent désormais ... à vue humaine

Je vois (grâce à vos interventions en forum !!) que vous postez ces documents depuis la Normandie, pardonnez mon indiscrétion !!!

Mais je suis content que les normands puissent entendre cette vox sacerdoti en live chez eux !

Remarquable chronique et finale sur le Pape François!
J'ai poussé un cri de bonheur et de joie en entendant enfin ENFIN ENFIN l'expression qui fait la seule clé de lecture du texte du Pape François l'Admirable : le for interne.
Le pape a fait 220 pages pour rappeler la doctrine pastorale d'application de l'Eglise qui doit s'appliquer en fonction du for interne, du for intermédiaire et du for externe.

Alors, Kasper, Ouellet et Archevêque de Vienne: quelle est votre intention en camouflant soigneusement ce principe de base que vous connaissez parfaitement?

traduction résumée en anglais de cette émission exceptionnelle

"""""""TRANSLATION AND RESUME OF 5 OCTOBER INTERVIEW BY A FRENCH STATION
WITH:
DR. Alexandria Caude Henrion
Director of Research at the French Institute of Medicine, Hospital Necker
Geneticist, professor, and conference speaker
Member of scientific group of 300 concerned with the dangers of cloning
( science-en-conscience.fr)
Author of more than 50 international scientific publications
French President of Association of Eisenhower Fellowships
Mr. Pierre Barnerias, Journalist, independent movie producer
Mr. Bruno de Vergeron, Vigilance cloning international
Father Patrick, Hermit , Monk, Theologian, Vigilance cloning international, Nazareth Institute

Human cloning is the production of a copy. IT IS A TRANSGRESSION without precedence – an abomination!
Human cloning is not a utopia and it is easy to do in labs. In 2013 a team of scientists in an Oregon Lab successfully cloned and supposedly interrupted gestation after a certain time, but no one is able to verify; since then, two additional teams of scientists were added so three teams are now working on human cloning.
There are millions of frozen human embryos – – millions of these embryos are used as research material, therapeutic,pharmaceutical and import export. It is a very lucrative business.

It is important to state that many consider cloning a progress; treatment of genetic diseases. The assisted productive technology for treatment of infertility (Cloning of plants, animals and attempts on humands were done early in the 20th century.)

Shorthly after Dolly the sheep was born in 1997, she died prematurely using her old chromosomes. Many dogs were cloned in the US, unfortunately their owners who had spent a lot of money quickly noticed that they did not recognize their cloned dog; it did not look like their deceased former pet, the temperament was also different. Cloning had nothing but negative effects; it did not stop aging. Scientists noticed that cloned animals gain the age from the cell donor. Telomeres, at the end of all chromosomes are related to the aging problem.

In August 2004, the United Nations and passed a law against cloning and labeled it a crime against humanity, but seven articles in the law gave exemptions to authorize it (therapeutic, research, reproduction which opened the doors for human cloning.)

Dr. Caude Henrion along with a large group of scientists are convinced that there is a divine intervention in the creation of each one of us at the moment of conception. She is sending an SOS because the hour is very critical.…. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT, OTHERS SAY THAT IT IS FORBIDDEN -- DO NOT WORRY; it is not happening -- all the while HUMAN CLONING IS actually TAKING PLACE.

Father Patrick said that in human cloning, we have exceeded GOD’s divine creation pretending that scientists/humans can do better than Him. It is a satanic presumption.

He added: “”“There was a reason why on 12 October 2012, Pope Benedict XVI proclaimed Saint Hidlegard of Bingen doctor of the church (writings SCIVIAS; Wings of life). Which means that what she said 888 years ago, is being accomplished today. She taught about immediate animation -- as soon as genome appears, the embryo even-though not yet shaped, looks like a ball of flames; IT IS the spiritual soul who burns with knowledge and comprehension. Meaning that when the genome appears, it has a life, a dignity, a unity with the science of God and unity with God in total liberty.

Saint Hildegard was also taught by Jesus how the Universe works – that evil spirits are in the air, in what scientistscall “double universe,” Lucifer saw that he had time to fight against of sons of men and that he is able to precipitate in SIN all conceptions of men. Lucifer said that ‘’my force is in the conception of humankind and this is how and all humankind will belong to me.’’ With this transgression, the ultimate sin, we give in to satan. We, our generation, are NOW assisting in the great moment of the confrontation between GOD, satan and us. Humanity arrives in the final days of the end of times.””””

PIERRE BARNERIAS: After over four years of research and world travels, he decided to work on a documentary about the most popular person in the world. A woman who has over two billion men on their knees. A jewish woman who is revered by ALL: muslims, hindhuis, buddhists and nonbelievers. SHE draws millions of sick/disabled in Lourdes where she has been healing people since 1858. SHE healed over 7000 people – one every two weeks which are baffling doctors/scientists, nobel prize winners. (64 Healings were official recognized by the church.)

After finding a link between in all messages during Marian apparitions, Mr. Barneria named his documentary, M. THE THIRD SECRET. It is shown in France since November 2014. It is about the revelations of Fatima where in 1917, Mary gave the church 100 years to consecrate Russia to her immaculate heart; if not; the world will not have peace. The third secret is about the great chastisement that will come is people don’t amend their ways and manage creation better. 2017 is around the corner.

Father Patrick explains that while the documentary is excellent - showing scenes about chastisement that will come if men don't amend their ways, Pierre Barneria did not have the theological background to explain the divinity behind the 3rdsecret message (in the Old Testament (end of days in DANIEl & EZEKIEl ) and in New Testament in REVELATION. ) He made the movie because he felt that so many years were wasted and that we have only a few months remaining. 2016 is the last year we can take conscience of what might happen and do all we can to keep a total eschatological war from happening.

THIRD SECRET CONTAINS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF MEN DO NOT AMEND THEIR WAYS. IT WILL BE A 3RD WW WHICH WILL BE AN ANGELIC, SATANIC BATTLE MIXED WITH PLANETARY, COSMIC, METAPHYSICAL, TACTIONIC; ALL ELEMENTS OF CONFRONTATION WILL RISE TOGETHER WHICH WILL BE A TOTAL WAR.

OUR LADY HAS BEEN WARNING THE WORLD MOST EMPHATICALLY THROUGH HER APPARITIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Father Patrick further explains that revelations made in Fatima, Communism (Bolchevic Revolution) Second World War have happened. Consecration of Russia remains, but the Pope cannot do it alone - all descendants of Christ’s apostles have to agree (Catholics, Orthodoxes, Coptics, Christians) -- Paul VI during Vatican II, the church has started the process of forgiveness and reconciliation. Next summer 2016 a pan-christian meeting is scheduledvand we hope that at that moment, the Church will consecrate Russia.

Father Patrick added that WE ARE THE GENERATION,the church, who must manifest the victory of the lamb against evil.

Humanity is arriving in the last days of the end of time and that is why Mary has been waking up everyone as to what might happen if people don’t repent, unite, love another, PRAY. He said that while he does not want to talk about date, that it is urgent for the reconciliation to take place as time is running short.

WARNING/MIRACLE AND CHASTISEMENT (three days of darkness)
There will be a strong warning to be heard/seen by 7 billion people on earth at the same time. Then 30 minutes of total suspension during which time a strong force (GRACE) will come in ALL of us. All men will get back their original immaculate power. The gospel will be announced to ALL nations. During this time, we will also have the opportunity to say NO to lucifer/satan. If we don’t take the force that will be given to us in the great miracle and don’t grow in our new “birth” we will receive the chastisement. Horrible fires, earthquakes, oceans will swallow nations, demons will have all power on earth…....If the world is not full of Judas, the earth will enjoy years of peace before satan will come again before he will be permanently defeated.

Interesting to note
2013 - France authorized human cloning using frozen human embryos (– using an ovule of this embryo and an “old” cell.) ANNIVERSARY OF HIROSHIMA NUCLEAR BLAST – FEAST OF THE TRANSFIGURATION OF MAN. Same year: Lourdes sanctuary completely flooded
2004 - France passed the law on bioethics (people believed it was against human cloning, unfortunately, 7 exemptions that will allow it) Day after – there was a terrible storm – 350 millions trees uprooted – feast of the innocents

August 2001 –speech President Bush announced government funding for research on stem cells. Soon after, a group of hundred of religious leaders from various faiths were gathered on a roof top of Manhattan when a catholic monk pushed by the Holy Spirit pointed at the two World Trade Center towers saying this country will suffer – these towers will be reduced to ashes and dust. Most in attendance rejected what was being said and added, yes perhaps in 2000 years. This man of God shouted, not in 2000 years, not in 200 years, not in 20 years, it will happen within 2 months…….. There were many witnesses to this prophecy, but nothing was ever reported.

24 December 1999 day after France Prime Minister announced research on stem cells. The largest storm to hit Europe caused 91 deaths, heavy damage and millions of trees down."""""

"" le père Patrick .... a aujourd'hui une place emblématique : il est la pointe de l'intelligence morale et de la vigilance sur la question du clonage. ""

Ne le gonflez pas trop Mesdames!
On l'aime bien, nous l'écoutons avec plaisir
Il en étonnera plus d'un.
Mais la Pointe de l'intelligence !
Remarquez, la Pointe sur le clonage: là ok !
Puisqu'il est pratiquement le seul sur cette question à ne pas avoir peur de dire tout de manière pluri-disciplinaire ce qu'on ne veut pas qu'il dise

Avertissement: Vous dites ceci, Pierre : "Nous contemplerons les péchés du monde, nous contemplerons LUCIFER" . Je comprends votre emportement et votre indignation devant le Mauvais, mais ... Permettez moi une reformulation !!!
L'Avertissement, 5ème Sceau est une Grâce du Ciel: nous sera proposé, confié, proposé une unité profonde avec la vision de Marie mère de chacun de nous, et la vision de la la justesse d'Amour de St Joseph en ses origines, une reprise en main et pleine prise de possession de soi de notre liberté d'innocence divine redonnée, et nous CONTEMPLERONS la déroute de Lucifer qui veut s'emparer des "conceptions humaines"

Anticiper l’appel soudain à cette rencontre nouvelle de la liberté de Dieu dans ma liberté divine ? Nous y contemplerons quoi ?
Cf Site de DonPiero : catholiquedunet.fr/basecatho/2008/Agape16.pdf à la page1

Certes, les forcenés, qui, à cette grâce, s'obstineront - ce qu'à Dieu ne plaise! - n'en seront pas très réconfortés, et pourraient bien en mourir de dépit, ce qui à mon avis ne sera pas le partage d'un grand nombre: le coeur de tout homme est bon (St Thomas d'Aquin); la mise à jour de ce fond du coeur sera une contemplation de Liberté lumineuse et libérante, guérissante, sanante, et possiblement sanctifiante ...

Nous DEVENONS ce que nous contemplons: et l'Ecriture indique que nous ne deviendrons pas ... Lucifer à l'ouverture du 5ème Sceau

Ouf !
Merci Seigneur !

Je vois que ... Surleroc a reçu ce commentaire vraiment pas mal .. de "Marguerite " : "" le père Patrick .... a été persécuté ! Il a aujourd'hui une place emblématique : il est la pointe de l'intelligence morale et de la vigilance sur la question du clonage. Vous le savez bien, mais je tiens à le souligner, en témoigner pour le vivre au quotidien... C'est un mouvement souterrain, invisible, ténu mais fort et solide. Tout doucement, ses textes et vidéos sur le clonage se transmettent presque de main en main, à travers tout le pays et au delà, et charpentent une véritable résistance intellectuelle et spirituelle, silencieuse. Et ce sont les jeunes qui s'en sont emparés ! Chez moi, sous l'égide d'un évêque athée, franc-maçon avéré, au milieu d'une sorte de kermesse protestante dans les diocèses, tous les groupes de prière du rosaire connaissent le travail du père Patrick ..., travail qui doucement modifie et oriente les consciences. La rhétorique du combat contre l'avortement a été profondément influencée par la synthèse doctrinale du père Patrick .... Bref ! comme va t'il ? Faut-il voir là un signe ? D'une nouvelle poussée des méchants dans le domaine du clonage ? ( que le Christ vous garde en paix, merci pour vos vidéo et votre travail...) " Son ministère on l'entend ici est d'ordre éthique certes, mais avant tout d'ordre théologal... C'est ce que le Magistrat bien été obligé de constater... Il n'est pas pharmacien: un pauvre qui vit sur terre battue depuis 35 ans: faut pas pousser Mémé dans les orties !!!