Athanasius Schneider on French TV: "Schism already exists in the Church" Kazakh "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider speaks on the French internet TV station TV Libertes about the most recent developments …More
Athanasius Schneider on French TV: "Schism already exists in the Church"
Kazakh "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider speaks on the French internet TV station TV Libertes about the most recent developments concerning the "dubia" submitted to Francis by "Cardinals" Brandmuller, Meisner, Caffarra, and Burke on "Amoris Laetitia". This was originally aired on December 4, 2016. English subtitles added by Novus Ordo Watch. NovusOrdoWatch.org
Kazakh "Bishop" Athanasius Schneider speaks on the French internet TV station TV Libertes about the most recent developments concerning the "dubia" submitted to Francis by "Cardinals" Brandmuller, Meisner, Caffarra, and Burke on "Amoris Laetitia". This was originally aired on December 4, 2016. English subtitles added by Novus Ordo Watch. NovusOrdoWatch.org
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DECEMBER 11, 2016
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisibleand known only to God.
2.Assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in in invincible ignorance refer to known …More
DECEMBER 11, 2016
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisibleand known only to God.
2.Assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in in invincible ignorance refer to known cases in the present times.
3.In principle assuming hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are objectively visible in the present times and then interpreting Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
4.Being unaware that this error of assuming the baptism of desire refers to visible instead of invisible cases.This error was there in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which assumed that the baptism of desire etc refers to visible cases. .This is an error of the magisterium. It was then repeated in Vatican Council II by the Council Fathers.
You can check out the widespread heresy by asking Catholics the following questions.Ask the parish priest or the faculty of the local Catholic seminary.
1.From the philosophical point of view a catechumen desires to receive the baptism of water but he dies before he can receive it.This is a hypothetical case for us?
My answer is YES.It is a hypothetical case.
It would be hypothetical for us and known only to God.
2.So if someone says that this case of the catechumen is physically visible in 2016 and personally known to us then this would be false reasoning.? My answer is YES.
3.Would it violate the Principle of Non Contradiction if someone said this case was visible in the present times, and was personally known?
My answer Yes.
Since it is being assumed that something invisible is visible.It is being inferred that someone who does not exist is there on earth and known, someone who is not concrete and tangible it is assumed to be defacto and real in present time and space.
4.Similarly this case of a catechumen in the past too would be hypothetical for the people of that time, since it cannot be physically visible and known in personal cases?
My answer is YES.
No could have physically seen this catechumen saved, in Heaven or on earth.
FINAL TWO QUESTIONS
So here are the final two questions which show that magisterium's bad theology is based on bad philosophy and this has created an Arian like widespread heresy in the present times.
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2016 ?
My answer is that they we cannot see them. They are not physically visible and personally known in our time and space.
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation? My answer is that they are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus . They were never exceptions in the first place. Rome made a mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 10, 2016
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is a philosophy which interprets invisible persons as being visible and so a non traditional conclusion is created
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-source-of-p…
DECEMBER 11, 2016
Priest confirms philosophical error : Lefebvre excommunication a mistake
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/priest-confirms…
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church today is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisibleand known only to God.
2.Assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in in invincible ignorance refer to known cases in the present times.
3.In principle assuming hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are objectively visible in the present times and then interpreting Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
4.Being unaware that this error of assuming the baptism of desire refers to visible instead of invisible cases.This error was there in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which assumed that the baptism of desire etc refers to visible cases. .This is an error of the magisterium. It was then repeated in Vatican Council II by the Council Fathers.
You can check out the widespread heresy by asking Catholics the following questions.Ask the parish priest or the faculty of the local Catholic seminary.
1.From the philosophical point of view a catechumen desires to receive the baptism of water but he dies before he can receive it.This is a hypothetical case for us?
My answer is YES.It is a hypothetical case.
It would be hypothetical for us and known only to God.
2.So if someone says that this case of the catechumen is physically visible in 2016 and personally known to us then this would be false reasoning.? My answer is YES.
3.Would it violate the Principle of Non Contradiction if someone said this case was visible in the present times, and was personally known?
My answer Yes.
Since it is being assumed that something invisible is visible.It is being inferred that someone who does not exist is there on earth and known, someone who is not concrete and tangible it is assumed to be defacto and real in present time and space.
4.Similarly this case of a catechumen in the past too would be hypothetical for the people of that time, since it cannot be physically visible and known in personal cases?
My answer is YES.
No could have physically seen this catechumen saved, in Heaven or on earth.
FINAL TWO QUESTIONS
So here are the final two questions which show that magisterium's bad theology is based on bad philosophy and this has created an Arian like widespread heresy in the present times.
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2016 ?
My answer is that they we cannot see them. They are not physically visible and personally known in our time and space.
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation? My answer is that they are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus . They were never exceptions in the first place. Rome made a mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 10, 2016
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is a philosophy which interprets invisible persons as being visible and so a non traditional conclusion is created
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/the-source-of-p…
DECEMBER 11, 2016
Priest confirms philosophical error : Lefebvre excommunication a mistake
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/priest-confirms…
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The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is a philosophy which interprets invisible persons as being visible and so a non traditional conclusion is created
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisible and known only to God.
2.Assuming that the …More
DECEMBER 10, 2016
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is a philosophy which interprets invisible persons as being visible and so a non traditional conclusion is created
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisible and known only to God.
2.Assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in in invincible ignorance refers to known cases in the present times.
3.In principle assuming hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are objectively visible in the present times and then interpreting Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
4.Being unaware of this error of assuming the baptism of desire refers to invisible instead of visible cases was made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 by the magisterium. It was then repeated in Vatican Council II by the Council Fathers.
Once this error is corrected, and it is simple to correct it, then this Arian-like heresy in the Catholic Church, a type of schism for Archbishop Athanasius Schneider, ends.
The error has to be identified and then Church documents, especially Vatican Council II, be re-interpreted.Invisible cases of LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc must be identified as being invisible only in 2016.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 must not be considered explicit and objective cases in our time and space.
-Lionel Andrades
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is a philosophy which interprets invisible persons as being visible and so a non traditional conclusion is created
The source of the present Arian-like heresy throughout the Church is due to the following points.
1.Rejecting the baptism of desire etc as being invisible and known only to God.
2.Assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in in invincible ignorance refers to known cases in the present times.
3.In principle assuming hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are objectively visible in the present times and then interpreting Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
4.Being unaware of this error of assuming the baptism of desire refers to invisible instead of visible cases was made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 by the magisterium. It was then repeated in Vatican Council II by the Council Fathers.
Once this error is corrected, and it is simple to correct it, then this Arian-like heresy in the Catholic Church, a type of schism for Archbishop Athanasius Schneider, ends.
The error has to be identified and then Church documents, especially Vatican Council II, be re-interpreted.Invisible cases of LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc must be identified as being invisible only in 2016.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 must not be considered explicit and objective cases in our time and space.
-Lionel Andrades
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J'ais découvert que notre Jean XXIII a un lien avec Jean XXIII de 1413 antipape de l'époque ,Dieu nous fait toujours comprendre le pourquoi des choses ,du début a la fin tout est liée .
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Et ce depuis le Pape Jean XXIII ,et même s'ils ce sont empressé de créée des Saints ,ils sont de fait caduc ,il ne peut y avoir de Saints en l'Eglise Eucumenisme .
Oui AveMaria44 aujourd'hui le coupable c'est le cocu !
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Oui, il y a un schisme, ils se séparent de l'église conciliaire œcuménique et maçonnique, mais ils ne sont déjà plus dans l’Église catholique apostolique et romaine.
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UN PAPE PEUT-IL ÊTRE SCHISMATIQUE ? (par l'abbé Georges de Nantes. Juin 1973, à propos de Paul VI)
"Suarez, Bellarmin, d’autres théologiens le prévoient et se montrent là encore d’une étonnante actualité. Pour nous, travaillant sur observation clinique directe, nous distinguerons trois espèces et degrés de schisme papal :
- LE SCHISME AFFECTIF, lorsque le pape en vient à se dégoûter de ses …More
UN PAPE PEUT-IL ÊTRE SCHISMATIQUE ? (par l'abbé Georges de Nantes. Juin 1973, à propos de Paul VI)
"Suarez, Bellarmin, d’autres théologiens le prévoient et se montrent là encore d’une étonnante actualité. Pour nous, travaillant sur observation clinique directe, nous distinguerons trois espèces et degrés de schisme papal :
- LE SCHISME AFFECTIF, lorsque le pape en vient à se dégoûter de ses propres enfants, au point de les excommunier tous, ou au moins les plus fidèles d’entre eux, sans raison légitime. C’est évidemment un comportement de père dénaturé. Cette inversion de l’amour allant aux étrangers et de la haine se portant contre les plus proches et les plus méritants est un signe de schisme profond.
- LE SCHISME EFFECTIF, lorsque le pape manifeste un désintérêt et même un dégoût de tous les rites et de toutes les institutions traditionnelles de SON Église Catholique. Quand tout ce qui est ancien lui pèserait et qu’il renverserait tout cet héritage vénérable du passé pour recréer fébrilement toutes choses nouvelles, liturgie, droit canonique, méthodes pastorales, formules dogmatiques, alors il y aurait coupure dans le temps, rupture de la tradition, schisme réel du Pape d’un jour avec la Papauté de toujours, de la génération présente avec l’Église Apostolique.
- LE SCHISME ABSOLU, lorsque le pape brise pratiquement le lien sacré de sa Fonction qui l’attache au Service de l’Église, qu’il cesse de prendre soin de son troupeau et n’a plus aucun souci du bien commun surnaturel pour s’occuper d’autres intérêts. Il se vouerait par exemple totalement à l’enrichissement de sa famille ou à l’embellissement de sa Ville; il s’adonnerait uniquement à la diplomatie pour se faire bien voir et recevoir des Chefs d’État, au détriment de l’Église abandonnée. Il s’éprendrait d’une autre religion, d’une autre société, ou d’une chimère de religion future, plus vaste, plus universelle que sa propre Église, au point de comploter l’intégration de celle-ci dans celle-là. Il y aurait rupture du pape avec son peuple, du Vicaire de Jésus-Christ avec son Seigneur et son Dieu.
De telles aberrations le passé nous donne certes quelques exemples, mineurs à la vérité. (…) Les schismes pontificaux des temps passés ne seraient-ils pas cependant les ombres et prémonitions de ce qui devait venir, aujourd’hui, à la fin des Temps, lors de la grandissime Apostasie prédite par les Écritures ?
Tout peut arriver, car il n’y a rien qui doive étonner de la part des hommes. Il faudra reconnaître, avec le Cardinal Journet, que «c’est une chose épouvantable, lorsque l’Église est trahie par son dépositaire». (…)"
"Suarez, Bellarmin, d’autres théologiens le prévoient et se montrent là encore d’une étonnante actualité. Pour nous, travaillant sur observation clinique directe, nous distinguerons trois espèces et degrés de schisme papal :
- LE SCHISME AFFECTIF, lorsque le pape en vient à se dégoûter de ses propres enfants, au point de les excommunier tous, ou au moins les plus fidèles d’entre eux, sans raison légitime. C’est évidemment un comportement de père dénaturé. Cette inversion de l’amour allant aux étrangers et de la haine se portant contre les plus proches et les plus méritants est un signe de schisme profond.
- LE SCHISME EFFECTIF, lorsque le pape manifeste un désintérêt et même un dégoût de tous les rites et de toutes les institutions traditionnelles de SON Église Catholique. Quand tout ce qui est ancien lui pèserait et qu’il renverserait tout cet héritage vénérable du passé pour recréer fébrilement toutes choses nouvelles, liturgie, droit canonique, méthodes pastorales, formules dogmatiques, alors il y aurait coupure dans le temps, rupture de la tradition, schisme réel du Pape d’un jour avec la Papauté de toujours, de la génération présente avec l’Église Apostolique.
- LE SCHISME ABSOLU, lorsque le pape brise pratiquement le lien sacré de sa Fonction qui l’attache au Service de l’Église, qu’il cesse de prendre soin de son troupeau et n’a plus aucun souci du bien commun surnaturel pour s’occuper d’autres intérêts. Il se vouerait par exemple totalement à l’enrichissement de sa famille ou à l’embellissement de sa Ville; il s’adonnerait uniquement à la diplomatie pour se faire bien voir et recevoir des Chefs d’État, au détriment de l’Église abandonnée. Il s’éprendrait d’une autre religion, d’une autre société, ou d’une chimère de religion future, plus vaste, plus universelle que sa propre Église, au point de comploter l’intégration de celle-ci dans celle-là. Il y aurait rupture du pape avec son peuple, du Vicaire de Jésus-Christ avec son Seigneur et son Dieu.
De telles aberrations le passé nous donne certes quelques exemples, mineurs à la vérité. (…) Les schismes pontificaux des temps passés ne seraient-ils pas cependant les ombres et prémonitions de ce qui devait venir, aujourd’hui, à la fin des Temps, lors de la grandissime Apostasie prédite par les Écritures ?
Tout peut arriver, car il n’y a rien qui doive étonner de la part des hommes. Il faudra reconnaître, avec le Cardinal Journet, que «c’est une chose épouvantable, lorsque l’Église est trahie par son dépositaire». (…)"
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Il n'y a pas de schisme dans l’Église, ce sont ceux qui ont adopté la nouvelle religion œcuménique et maçonnique qui ont fait schisme, qui ont quitté l’Église. Ce sont ceux qui ont adopté la "messe de Luther" qui ont fait schisme, ceux qui ont accepté Nostra Aetate comme parole d’Église alors que ce texte n'a aucun fondement dans la Révélation......