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Chairman of German Bishops’ Conference denies Fundamental Catholic Doctrine

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The Chairman of the German Bishops' Conference and archbishop of Freiburg, Robert Zollitsch, believes that Christ’s crucifixion is just a psychological support for those who suffer. On Holy Saturday…More
The Chairman of the German Bishops' Conference and archbishop of Freiburg, Robert Zollitsch, believes that Christ’s crucifixion is just a psychological support for those who suffer.

On Holy Saturday, the archbishop denied the Expiatory Death of Christ in an interview with the German TV station 'Hessischer Rundfunk'.

Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had needed a sacrificial offering or something like a scapegoat" - the archbishop said.

According to him the dying Christ simply expressed "solidarity" with the suffering of the people even to death.

This way, Christ showed, the archbishop said, that even suffering and pain have been taken up by God.

According to Zollitsch "this is the great perspective, the tremendous solidarity," that Christ went so far that he suffered all "with" me.

The journalist asked Zollitsch: "You would now no longer describe it in such a way that God gave his own son, because we humans were so sinful? You would no longer describe it like this?"

To this question Zollitsch replied with a clear "no".

He stated that God has given "his own son in solidarity with us unto his last agony” to show that: You mean so much to me that I go with you, and I am totally with you in every situation."

The archbishop seems to row back a tiny way when he says that one’s own sins were responsible that Christ "has become so involved with me". But he does not elaborate farther.

"Christ has become involved with me out of solidarity – out of free will" – the archbishop repeated in the interveiw.

According to Zollitsch Christ has "participated in carrying my debt, including the evil I have caused, in order to take this up into the world of God and hence to show also to me the way out of sin, guilt and from death to life."

Until now, the video on the website 'gloria.tv' has produced more than 100 readers’ comments.

Some readers call on Msgr. Zollitsch to recognise the Second Vatican Council. The Council declared - in line with the twenty preceding Councils - that Christ made atonement for the sins of the people.

A priest with the username 'Poldi' said that his "sermons of the past Holy Week, would all have to be trashed" – if the statement of the archbishop were true.
Texte-Toni
Eine Übersicht über die katholische Satisfaktionslehre - der Lehre vom Sühnetod Jesu Christi, finden Sie - in wichtigen Auszügen - ab sofort
>>>>HIER<<<<
Gregor
Dear Chonak,
this Archbishop denies especially the catholic doctrine by answering "NO" (concerning catholic doctrine which is described in the question) and putting his strange solidarity theory instead.

Read it - and hear it! - in German, the original. Then you will see.
chonak
To the contrary:

There is a significant difference between "not ... because" and "not ... as if".

(not-A-as-if-B) implies that both A and B are false.

(not (A because B)) allows A to be true, it denies that B is the reason for A.

The bishop's words "... nicht deswegen..." indicate that he was not denying that Christ died for the sins of men, but rejecting a specific explanation of the …More
To the contrary:

There is a significant difference between "not ... because" and "not ... as if".

(not-A-as-if-B) implies that both A and B are false.

(not (A because B)) allows A to be true, it denies that B is the reason for A.

The bishop's words "... nicht deswegen..." indicate that he was not denying that Christ died for the sins of men, but rejecting a specific explanation of the atonement.
Gregor
The gtv-translation is correct because in German he uses the subjunctive. That is why the "because" is correcty translated with "as if".

Not a minute later, he denies especially the character of expiation by answering the interviewers question with "no".

If you are capable of reading German, please look at this:

Frage: „Also, sie würden jetzt nicht mehr so formulieren, dass Gott quasi seinen…More
The gtv-translation is correct because in German he uses the subjunctive. That is why the "because" is correcty translated with "as if".

Not a minute later, he denies especially the character of expiation by answering the interviewers question with "no".

If you are capable of reading German, please look at this:

Frage: „Also, sie würden jetzt nicht mehr so formulieren, dass Gott quasi seinen eigenen Sohl hingegeben hat, weil wir Menschen so sündig waren? So würden sie es nicht mehr formulieren?“

Zollitsch: „Nein, er hat seinen eigenen Sohn in Solidarität mit uns bis in diese letzte Todesnot hineingelassen um zu zeigen: Soviel seid ihr mir wert, ich geh mit euch, in bin ganz bei euch in jeder Situation.“
...


Frage: „Es gib auch in der katholischen Tradition viele Menschen die heute noch unter dieser Tradition leiden, dass ihnen früher nahegebracht wurde: Der Herr Jesu ist für deine Sünden am Kreuz ... hat er leiden müssen, hat er sterben müssen. Es ist eine Art von sehr brutaler Katechese für viele Menschen.“

Zollitsch: „Es kommt darauf an, wie wir das von der Tiefe her sehen. Auch meine Sünden – sag ich – sind schuld daran, dass er sich so eingelassen hat mit mir. Aber er hat sich aus Solidarität mit mir eingelassen – aus freiem Willen. Und er hat deswegen das mitgetragen, was ich verschuldet habe, auch was ich verursacht habe an Bösem, um damit zugleich das nun hinaufzunehmen in die Welt Gottes und damit auch mir den Weg aus Sünde, Schuld und aus dem Tod zum Leben zu zeigen.“
Rübezahl
"You would now no longer describe it in such a way that God gave his own son, because we humans were so sinful? You would no longer describe it like this? "

Archbishop Zollitsch confirmed with a clear "no"



PS

>>He needed (nobody) to punish<< but: He needed His son to obtain satisfaction
chonak
Are you aware that the translation of the bishop's first sentence contains an error? Did gloria.tv make this translation, or did it come from some other source?

Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had needed a sacrificial offering or something like a scapegoat" - the archbishop said.

However, the bishop used the conjunction weil, which means "because", not "as if".

So …More
Are you aware that the translation of the bishop's first sentence contains an error? Did gloria.tv make this translation, or did it come from some other source?

Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had needed a sacrificial offering or something like a scapegoat" - the archbishop said.

However, the bishop used the conjunction weil, which means "because", not "as if".

So the sentence should be:

Christ "did not die for the sins of the people because God had needed a sacrificial victim or, as it were, a scapegoat".

Thus the bishop is not denying that Christ died for our sins. He said that God did not bring this about because He needed to punish someone for our sins. The bishop is criticizing a (generally Protestant) "penal" interpretation of the atonement.
Anastasia
Isn’t it that by saying such things, one it automatically excommunicated?
credo
Now, will Benedict XVI demand a full public retraction of this heresy and order penance or threaten excommunication? Or is Benedict XVI to stay silent on this grave matter?
thomasvalle
What saddens me the most is that there doesn't seem to be any reaction from the Vatican about this. Just a few weeks ago there was an earthquake of condemnation coming from Catholic bishops from around the world when SSPX Bishop Williamson stated his opinion on the holocaust. However, this Bishop seems to claim that Jesus Christ is not the Lamb of God, the redeemer who shed his blood to save us …More
What saddens me the most is that there doesn't seem to be any reaction from the Vatican about this. Just a few weeks ago there was an earthquake of condemnation coming from Catholic bishops from around the world when SSPX Bishop Williamson stated his opinion on the holocaust. However, this Bishop seems to claim that Jesus Christ is not the Lamb of God, the redeemer who shed his blood to save us from our sins. Sacred Scripture is very clear:

"And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins." --Matthew 26:27-28

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Sempronius
The horror...the horror... the German bishops heretic heathens...
Jacobitess
Incoherent rambling as well as heretical. Well, one would hope that it would have little chance to seduce *anyone* with those factors standing against the man. He's as devoid of eloquence as he is of truth.

lxnvcts
Most German bishops need a kick into their b*tts. They're all mad communist traitors. The best one can do is just to ignore them.
tabsimaus732
Si cette information est exacte, il est évident que cet archevêque n'est pas catholique.
mrsreneoriordan
He's not the only one in powerful positions to make that claim. Last Thursday's Irish Catholic quoted the new Abbot of Glenstal Abbey; Mark Patrick Hederman as agreeing with Gay Byrne on a special Holy Week programme that Christ didn't die for our sins. He said that God came on the earth mostly to find out what it means to be human. To be made Abbot, Mark Hederman had to first be …More
He's not the only one in powerful positions to make that claim. Last Thursday's Irish Catholic quoted the new Abbot of Glenstal Abbey; Mark Patrick Hederman as agreeing with Gay Byrne on a special Holy Week programme that Christ didn't die for our sins. He said that God came on the earth mostly to find out what it means to be human. To be made Abbot, Mark Hederman had to first be ordained a priest, what on earth does he think the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is, which as a priest he now celebrates? Here in Ireland we are being constantly fed this type of thing on RTE. But worst of all being fed it by the Irish Catholic newspaper! God help us. - blessings - Rene
Reesorville
Christ certainly did share in our sufferings and have solidarity with us in that fashion, but His sacrifice on the cross was much more than that.

Matthew 20:28 even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many

Romans 5:8-9 But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Since, therefore we are now justified …More
Christ certainly did share in our sufferings and have solidarity with us in that fashion, but His sacrifice on the cross was much more than that.

Matthew 20:28 even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many

Romans 5:8-9 But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Since, therefore we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

1 Corinthians 5:7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.

1 Corinthians 6:23 You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures,

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Hebrews 10:10-14 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of hte body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all times those who are sanctified.

1 Peter 1:18-19 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers, not with perishable things such as silver or godl, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;

1 John 2:2 and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins.